RockRaines Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 11:41 AM) How do you function as a high-level executive without ever having one-on-one meetings with a woman? I'm far from a high level executive much less a governor or Vice President of the United States, and I've had one-on-one business meetings with women that somehow did not end in adultery. He also isnt allowed to be anywhere with alcohol without his wife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 11:34 AM) I wasn't sure what this referenced at first, but apparently Pence refuses to be alone in a room with any woman who isn't his wife. Some conservatives are rushing to his defense and asking "if you're a married man, why would you be friends with a woman?" If that's how they want to run their marriage, then that's their business. But if it precludes you from essential VP business, then it's a problem and you're gonna have to make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Rep. Ted Yoho believes that Rep. Nunes "works for the President," not, you know, the House or his constituents who elected him. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/847488975375802374 Someone really needs to explain to Yoho and Nunes how that whole separate branches of government thing works, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 11:28 AM) Instead of talking about healthcare like the price of a product, I think we need to first decide if we believe that all Americans deserve healthcare. I personally believe that all American's should have access to some sort of healthcare and I understand that likely means I have to pay for it. Somethings arent about the bottom line, although I do believe a good argument can be made that the US will benefit economically if we have a healthier populace. American's should also have the right to NOT have health care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 11:30 AM) Yeah, I'm not entirely clear why the VA is so messed up, but everyone I know who is on Medicare is extremely happy to be on Medicare. There's a disconnect somewhere there. Why does Medicare work and why does the VA not work (SS discussed this below)? The problem is that their options are limited. Many care providers won't take patients with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 11:33 AM) IMO, as long as profit is the #1 driver for a business, the customers will never be the priority. The bottom line is the only thing that really matters. Its the same with these stupid for profit schools that are being proposed. Not for profit schools aren't exactly a shining beacon in this country right now either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 12:00 PM) Rep. Ted Yoho believes that Rep. Nunes "works for the President," not, you know, the House or his constituents who elected him. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/847488975375802374 Someone really needs to explain to Yoho and Nunes how that whole separate branches of government thing works, apparently. 2 White House Officials Helped Give Nunes Intelligence Reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 12:21 PM) American's should also have the right to NOT have health care. How do you propose this? There would have to be some sort of "Opt out" whereby if you do not take health insurance, you are barred from any emergency services, hospital services, etc unless you pay up front. But I would be fine with that. If you want something like a "DNR" that says "This person does not get any emergency services, hospital, etc, under any circumstances", and then allows that person to be completely denied any service. Just dont believe anyone really wants this, but sure, Im fine putting that on the table. Actually Id be 100% fine with a provision that states "If you agree to opt out of healthcare, you do not have to pay the $500 penalty." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 12:21 PM) American's should also have the right to NOT have health care. Under a true UHC system, you're free to not partake in the services funded by tax dollars. Just like you currently have the "right" to starve to death rather than take advantage of EBT. edit: any chance the health care discussion can get moved to the OBAMACARE megathread? possibly rename the thread from the years-old joke title made just to tease Y2HH a bit to a broader "healthcare" thread? Edited March 30, 2017 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 12:21 PM) American's should also have the right to NOT have health care. I would advocate this but if you go get medical care and can't pay, you're jailed and have to do hard labor to recoup the cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 12:23 PM) Not for profit schools aren't exactly a shining beacon in this country right now either. But still better. Profit should never be the driving force behind a school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 11:28 AM) How do you propose this? There would have to be some sort of "Opt out" whereby if you do not take health insurance, you are barred from any emergency services, hospital services, etc unless you pay up front. But I would be fine with that. If you want something like a "DNR" that says "This person does not get any emergency services, hospital, etc, under any circumstances", and then allows that person to be completely denied any service. Just dont believe anyone really wants this, but sure, Im fine putting that on the table. Actually Id be 100% fine with a provision that states "If you agree to opt out of healthcare, you do not have to pay the $500 penalty." Yeah, that's the issue. We have decided that everyone has a right to healthcare treatment at a hospital. Healthcare is unique in that the provider has to provide the service notwithstanding the consumer's ability to pay. Opting out of health insurance or a healthcare system does not work if the person is still entitled to emergency services because those costs ultimately get passed down to the consumers who do have insurance or who have the ability to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 12:21 PM) American's should also have the right to NOT have health care. They do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 12:34 PM) Yeah, that's the issue. We have decided that everyone has a right to healthcare treatment at a hospital. Healthcare is unique in that the provider has to provide the service notwithstanding the consumer's ability to pay. Opting out of health insurance or a healthcare system does not work if the person is still entitled to emergency services because those costs ultimately get passed down to the consumers who do have insurance or who have the ability to pay. This is the problem. People want to have their cake and eat it. "I have a right not to have healthcare damn't!" , but when they need help, they'll go get the care and stiff the hospital. That's just not a productive way to work. Edited March 30, 2017 by KagakuOtoko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 There are places where fire protection services are opt-in (and this used to be how it was everywhere, even with competing fire companies trying to beat each other to the scene of a fire). If you're not a subscriber, they'll show up to watch your house burn down but make sure it doesn't spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 12:35 PM) They do. The mandate is what he's referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 12:36 PM) There are places where fire protection services are opt-in (and this used to be how it was everywhere, even with competing fire companies trying to beat each other to the scene of a fire). If you're not a subscriber, they'll show up to watch your house burn down but make sure it doesn't spread. f*** really? Thats crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 12:23 PM) Not for profit schools aren't exactly a shining beacon in this country right now either. They are actually. The American University system is the envy of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (KagakuOtoko @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 12:35 PM) This is the problem. People want to have their cake and eat it. "I have a right not to have healthcare damn't!" , but when they need help, they'll go get the care and stiff the hospital. That's just not a productive way to work. People really want to move to the model where they only pay for what they get or use, and thats across industries and products. Unfortunately we all need to put some skin in the game in order to get top notch service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 12:38 PM) They are actually. The American University system is the envy of the world. Our public school systems are also by and large doing pretty well in areas that aren't suffering crushing poverty. For-profit universities are hilariously awful and it's a good thing Obama shut off the federal money firehose and bankrupted a bunch of them. Too bad DeVos will reverse that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (KagakuOtoko @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 12:36 PM) The mandate is what he's referring to. The penalty for not being insured wouldn't even cover one emergency room visit. Theoretically not being insured and still getting sick or hit by a bus raised costs for all, so it's really not that different from mandatory car insurance, which no one ever says boo about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 12:38 PM) f*** really? Thats crazy. Yep! Back in late 19th, early 20th century big cities like NYC and Chicago had multiple competing fire companies. They'd even sabotage each other trying to make sure they got there first in order to get the business. In modern times, in more rural areas there are still fire protection subscriptions for people who aren't otherwise covered by any municipal or county fire services. These fire departments don't realistically have the budgets to cover huge rural areas, so they charge fairly low fees to anyone who lives outside the area. They'll still come out to contain the fire even if you don't pay, but they won't save your house. If they did, that'd create a moral hazard where everyone would know that you didn't really have to bother paying the regular fee. https://usnews.newsvine.com/_news/2011/12/0...er-75-fee-again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 12:42 PM) The penalty for not being insured wouldn't even cover one emergency room visit. Theoretically not being insured and still getting sick or hit by a bus raised costs for all, so it's really not that different from mandatory car insurance, which no one ever says boo about. Let me introduce you to the SovCit movement who DO NOT CREATE JOINED WITH YOU and are not driving but TRAVELING and therefore do not need a driver's license or insurance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 12:42 PM) The penalty for not being insured wouldn't even cover one emergency room visit. Theoretically not being insured and still getting sick or hit by a bus raised costs for all, so it's really not that different from mandatory car insurance, which no one ever says boo about. Well driving a car is a privilege not a right, so in order to get the privilege states are allowed to make you have insurance. Medical care is a right, not a privilege, yet its bad to make people pay $500 if they dont want to get their own insurance. Its just so odd how people come to these conclusions. Kind of like how Republican's are about to shoot down state sponsored IRA's because they werent "regulated enough". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 12:25 PM) 2 White House Officials Helped Give Nunes Intelligence Reports One of these guys is a Flynn flunkie that McMasters tried to fire but was overruled by Trump http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trum...overrule-236065 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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