Dick Allen Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 08:14 AM) Trump is obviously the 1st person in the history of the world to change their opinion over the course of 3+ years during an escalating military situation. Are TWEETS! the new E-MAILS! Well, he changed in a week. A week ago they weren't going to hold Assad accountable for the atrocities he has done to his citizens, and Obama a week ago was still a fool to even consider doing what Trump is now doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 08:14 AM) Hillary would have been doing the same thing, unfortunately, but with a clearer and more coherent stance rather than the Trump administration's flailing for 24-48 hours. I'm not sure if Russia allowing Assad to be taken out would be in their best long-term interest, though. Would really damage their credibility with other states they're propping up. Maybe Putin wants to eliminate all leadership there and take more control? Not sure. It will be interesting to see how much this actually means moving forward or if it was a 60 million dollar show piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 08:19 AM) Or a year or a few months ago. And tweets have always been public. Usually presidents don't do 180s on literally everything. I'm sure little kids do. Everyone who defends Trump at almost every turn, even those like rabbit who claim they don't like him, would not be defending Hillary if the exact same thing happened. The reason is the ® after his name. That seems more important than what his words and actions actually are. The thing is he isn't really a republican, and he isn't really a democrat, and he isn't really anything, just whatever gets him ahead at that moment. There are tons of people who aren't bright enough to realize they are being played by a con man. The sad part is the amount who can and do realize it but look the other way because of the ® after his name. Edited April 7, 2017 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 08:20 AM) Well, he changed in a week. A week ago they weren't going to hold Assad accountable for the atrocities he has done to his citizens, and Obama a week ago was still a fool to even consider doing what Trump is now doing. A couple of weeks ago he cared so little about Syrians that they weren't allowed to escape these horrors into the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 I don't think anyone wants to take control of that s***show. You've got dozens of in-country sectional fights (Assad loyalists, secular rebels though they're pretty much wiped out by now, Islamist rebels of all stripes), multiple regional groups (Kurds, Turkey, Iran), and global interests (US, Russia) as well. It'd be like deciding to invade and take over a country that was in the state Iraq was in in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 08:20 AM) Well, he changed in a week. A week ago they weren't going to hold Assad accountable for the atrocities he has done to his citizens, and Obama a week ago was still a fool to even consider doing what Trump is now doing. A week ago there weren't fresh, new images on every media channel in the world of chemical attack victims. It's not an enviable position by any means, I don't know if it was the right move or not. But quoting tweets from 3+ years ago about Syria is the same as everyone yelling at greg about e-mails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 08:25 AM) A week ago there weren't fresh, new images on every media channel in the world of chemical attack victims. It's not an enviable position by any means, I don't know if it was the right move or not. But quoting tweets from 3+ years ago about Syria is the same as everyone yelling at greg about e-mails. I am taking something from a week ago. Stay out, keep your people out of our country even if they are in grave danger, Assad may be a bad guy, but not our problem. Why was it different when Obama was considering doing the same thing? Why was he a "foolish" leader? Chemical attack was a concern then. Don't you think action before a chemical attack might have helped out more innocent people than waiting for them to die by the thousands. Edited April 7, 2017 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 08:25 AM) A week ago there weren't fresh, new images on every media channel in the world of chemical attack victims. It's not an enviable position by any means, I don't know if it was the right move or not. But quoting tweets from 3+ years ago about Syria is the same as everyone yelling at greg about e-mails. His campaign was focused on staying out of Syria. These attacks have existed for years. Guys like Marco Rubio vehemently opposed Obama getting involved. The administration won't let Syrians into the Country. deaths this week just all of a sudden changed that? Come on. Looks like another attack in that town. Edited April 7, 2017 by RockRaines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 ISIS just killed 140 civilians in Mosul. Good thing Trump defeated them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 08:34 AM) ISIS just killed 140 civilians in Mosul. Good thing Trump defeated them. He has a plan to defeat ISIS. He knows more than any General. Believe me. Maybe he is counting how many civilians US strikes have killed recentlyl. Over 140 so Trump wins. We are going to be sick of winning eventually, but let's ride it now. BTW, here is an article showing many of Trump's tweets where he is ultimately trolling himself. It would be hysterical if it wasn't so sad. http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/07/politics/don...eets/index.html Edited April 7, 2017 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 08:28 AM) I am taking something from a week ago. Stay out, keep your people out of our country even if they are in grave danger, Assad may be a bad guy, but not our problem. Why was it different when Obama was considering doing the same thing? Why was he a "foolish" leader? Chemical attack was a concern then. Don't you think action before a chemical attack might have helped out more innocent people than waiting for them to die by the thousands. And he still doesn't want those people and children in our country. He is full of s*** with the ban and I have never said differently. I'm not supporting anything in this tweets. I'm just questioning the relevance of every single tweet of his lifetime back when he didn't even have anybody to answer to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) Campaigning/popping off at the mouth is different than governing, as both Trump and the House GOP are learning. edit: you do have tons of elected GOP you can point out the hypocrisy of, though. McConnell, Rubio, Ryan, and many others have come out praising Trump's strike but chastised Obama for wanting to do basically the same exact thing the first time Assad was using chemical weapons. Edited April 7, 2017 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Surely Jared Kushner already has a replacement for Assad already in mind. Drum roll. Tiffany Trump. In all seriousness, that was the easy part. It's anything but Air Force, missile and predator strikes that gets tricky. No Fly or Safe Zones....good luck bringing Russia on board with that now. Even if Russia walked away today (and they're already back in the air with the Syrian Air Force), nobody, not even McMaster or Mattis, has the first clue about what to do after they remove Assad. And removing him without boots on the ground and Russia contesting the air space, a long long quagmire waiting to happen (again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 08:48 AM) And he still doesn't want those people and children in our country. He is full of s*** with the ban and I have never said differently. I'm not supporting anything in this tweets. I'm just questioning the relevance of every single tweet of his lifetime back when he didn't even have anybody to answer to. So Donald Trump should not be accountable for anything he has said or written up until now. This was a guy who could not help himself, and cannot help himself just keeping his mouth shut. He campaigned on most of the BS he has tweeted over the years. Going back on close to all of it should be something that is scrutinized. To me, it's a hell of a lot more egregious than hiring an undocumented nanny which has cost many political careers. And if Hillary Clinton were president and had the same type of twitter history, I doubt that would be ignored by those that think Trump's previous behavior should be ignored Edited April 7, 2017 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 08:50 AM) Campaigning/popping off at the mouth is different than governing, as both Trump and the House GOP are learning. edit: you do have tons of elected GOP you can point out the hypocrisy of, though. McConnell, Rubio, Ryan, and many others have come out praising Trump's strike but chastised Obama for wanting to do basically the same exact thing the first time Assad was using chemical weapons. Its not the flip flop that scares me, its the why. I am not a huge fan of a president bombing or going to war to improve his public perception. And I think thats exactly what this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Did he get Putin's blessing before bombing Syria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 08:57 AM) Surely Jared Kushner already has a replacement for Assad already in mind. Drum roll. Tiffany Trump. In all seriousness, that was the easy part. It's anything but Air Force, missile and predator strikes that gets tricky. No Fly or Safe Zones....good luck bringing Russia on board with that now. Even if Russia walked away today (and they're already back in the air with the Syrian Air Force), nobody, not even McMaster or Mattis, has the first clue about what to do after they remove Assad. And removing him without boots on the ground and Russia contesting the air space, a long long quagmire waiting to happen (again). I think this is a good line. Not becoming leaders in military action like Syria and Yemen is actually the harder decision. It's way too easy to go to war in control of the US military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 And yet another truck terrorist attack in Europe. You still want to be president Donald? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (raBBit @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 09:49 AM) In Sweden... the place Trump said immigration was a big problem and the left laughed at him. Tough week for the neolibs. Who was arrested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (raBBit @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 09:55 AM) One dude. Just saw pictures no names Based on that you know immigration is to blame? Impressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (raBBit @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 02:49 PM) In Sweden... the place Trump said immigration was a big problem and the left laughed at him. Tough week for the neolibs. He was mocked because he implied a terrorist attack happened the previous night in Sweden. This was right around the same time that Conway made up the Bowling Green Massacre and Spicer made up an attack in Atlanta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 10:13 AM) He was mocked because he implied a terrorist attack happened the previous night in Sweden. This was right around the same time that Conway made up the Bowling Green Massacre and Spicer made up an attack in Atlanta. Trump ran as a republican. Therefore, rabbit isn't interested in the facts. BTW, the great Trump killed 4 kids in his airstrike last night. Trump is always right because if he wasn't right at first, he flips and acts like the things he said before never happened. Edited April 7, 2017 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 10:13 AM) He was mocked because he implied a terrorist attack happened the previous night in Sweden. This was right around the same time that Conway made up the Bowling Green Massacre and Spicer made up an attack in Atlanta. Exactly. You wanna have a real discussion about refugees in Sweden? Then don't lead it off by implying there was some non-existent terrorist attack. People won't take you seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 I'm sort of confused by what the relation is to "neolibs" too since neoliberalism is about economics and it seems like a pretty tenuous connection to anti-Muslim immigration policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 10:26 AM) I'm sort of confused by what the relation is to "neolibs" too since neoliberalism is about economics and it seems like a pretty tenuous connection to anti-Muslim immigration policies. He's gotta use a word besides just liberals every once in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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