President Donald Trump: The Thread

[Soxbadger]

Very little is more important in a democracy than a free press with reasonable access to it's leaders. No matter how good or bad they are at their jobs, they play a crucial role.

 

Trump doesn't want that - and that is dictatorship 101.

 

You have fallen hook, line and sinker for Trump's game. He's made the press into an enemy, as if they were some terrorist-infested nation. It's an absurd notion, but apparently people like you have no notion of what he's doing and fell right for it.

 

Forget his policy points. Look at what it means that he's turned the press into an enemy. Not on the occasional issue, or one particular outlet, but the whole swath nearly all the time. Just take 1 minute and think about the road that goes down.

 

Let me tell you about Da President, I was watching tv the other day and saw a graphic that he is the most successful President in the history of the United States. Now this isnt me saying, but its what I saw was that if Trump was President there wouldnt have been a Civil War. I heard that he could have easily negotiated something that would work for both sides, slaves would be given a choice, they could be deported for being illegal immigrants or they could remain slaves. They said that they had no idea why the North was upset, they couldnt understand why a bunch of white guys were pushing for better rights for foreigners. Again its just what I saw, but I saw that slaves were taking the good industry jobs of the white people and that Trump could have easily gotten those jobs back.

 

Now another thing, is that Kim Il Jong is a smart cookie. Really really smart guy, and Trump knows smart guys. He has basically said every person in the United States government is dumb, but Kim Il Jung, that guy is one of the smartest guys Trump has ever met. Because Im not sure if your aware, and I just saw this on tv so its not my opinion, but Trump has had way harder jobs than President. So the problem is Trump is just bored because the job is so easy and hes so successful, that is why he goes to Mara-a-Lago every weekend, because hes just really bored and has basically solved every problem.

 

But unfortunately we have the lying press and the Democrats. If they were just honest they would tell the truth, they both hate America, hate Americans and hate Donald Trump because he is the most successful President ever. Well maybe besides for Andrew Jackson. Now again, I saw this on tv, but I heard he was the second best President besides Trump. They told me about this thing called the "Indian Removal Act" where they got rid of all the illegal immigrants.

 

Anyway, why would Trump show up to somewhere that people may challenge his views? He is obviously right, he has done more for this country than any person that has ever lived. Without Trump America would be a lawless wasteland filled with illegal immigrants and criminals. The only reason we even have the internet or our homes right now is because Donald Trump personally saved us from all the horrible horrible deals that other President's agreed to.

 

Donald Trump is divine, he is the mouthpiece of god. And anyone who dares to question any single word he says deserves to be killed for heresy because that is the will of god. But again this isnt what Im saying, its what I saw on tv.

Edited May 2, 2017 by Soxbadger

[caulfield12]

Let me tell you about Da President, I was watching tv the other day and saw a graphic that he is the most successful President in the history of the United States. Now this isnt me saying, but its what I saw was that if Trump was President there wouldnt have been a Civil War. I heard that he could have easily negotiated something that would work for both sides, slaves would be given a choice, they could be deported for being illegal immigrants or they could remain slaves. They said that they had no idea why the North was upset, they couldnt understand why a bunch of white guys were pushing for better rights for foreigners. Again its just what I saw, but I saw that slaves were taking the good industry jobs of the white people and that Trump could have easily gotten those jobs back.

 

Now another thing, is that Kim Il Jong is a smart cookie. Really really smart guy, and Trump knows smart guys. He has basically said every person in the United States government is dumb, but Kim Il Jung, that guy is one of the smartest guys Trump has ever met. Because Im not sure if your aware, and I just saw this on tv so its not my opinion, but Trump has had way harder jobs than President. So the problem is Trump is just bored because the job is so easy and hes so successful, that is why he goes to Mara-a-Lago every weekend, because hes just really bored and has basically solved every problem.

 

But unfortunately we have the lying press and the Democrats. If they were just honest they would tell the truth, they both hate America, hate Americans and hate Donald Trump because he is the most successful President ever. Well maybe besides for Andrew Jackson. Now again, I saw this on tv, but I heard he was the second best President besides Trump. They told me about this thing called the "Indian Removal Act" where they got rid of all the illegal immigrants.

 

Anyway, why would Trump show up to somewhere that people may challenge his views? He is obviously right, he has done more for this country than any person that has ever lived. Without Trump America would be a lawless wasteland filled with illegal immigrants and criminals. The only reason we even have the internet or our homes right now is because Donald Trump personally saved us from all the horrible horrible deals that other President's agreed to.

 

Donald Trump is divine, he is the mouthpiece of god. And anyone who dares to question any single word he says deserves to be killed for heresy because that is the will of god. But again this isnt what Im saying, its what I saw on tv.

 

 

He's so brilliant, he's figuring out how to generate more profits (and jobs) from the Internet!!! What are privacy rights to Americans, when they can easily be monetized and added to boost bottom-line GDP growth?

 

 

“Apparently [House Republicans] see no problem with cable and phone companies snooping on your private medical and financial information, your religious activities or your sex life,” Craig Aaron, president and CEO of net-neutrality group Free Press Action Fund, said in a press release. “They voted to take away the privacy rights of hundreds of millions of Americans just so a few giant companies could pad their already considerable profits.”

 

Democrats also say that the rollback of regulations gives service providers free rein to sell data to advertisers.

 

“Your broadband provider knows deeply personal information about you and your family – where you are, what you want to know, every site you visit, and more,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of California said before Tuesday’s vote. “They can even track you when you’re surfing in a private browsing mode. You deserve to be able to insist that those intimate details be kept private and secure.”

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/30...vacy-rules.html

[greg775]

Very little is more important in a democracy than a free press with reasonable access to it's leaders. No matter how good or bad they are at their jobs, they play a crucial role.

 

Trump doesn't want that - and that is dictatorship 101.

How many times do I have to say I applauded the press. The guy asking the questions is a credit to his profession. I'm just pointing out he'll never get an interview with Trump again. Hope it was worth it. Probably was, for credibility's sake. I do think Trump is a rich scoundrel but I also do truly believe he thinks the press is out to get him. None of you will even give him that. Why call him a coward? He's just smart. Why be around the people who are out to bring your demise as soon as humanly possible? If you don't HAVE to be there, why go break bread with the enemy?

 

Greg, the biggest point with Trump is the fact that he has no intention of answering the question...but he loves, absolutely craves the attention and being in the public eye 24/7.

 

If the reporter doesn't ask tough questions, he might as well just give up and join Fox News and lob softball Bill O'Reilly questions at him. That's if access is more important than integrity.

At least you addressed the future access part of this. Again, I applaud the reporter.What more can I do? Go kiss the guy? Send him 1,000 dollars? I approve of the questioner but again, sometimes subjects won't answer the question. It's not really smart to continue the interrogation on that point at that point. Unless you never want access again. If you ask the question, good job! But the answer was not given. Ask it again and a third time at your own risk. You're just a lowly reporter. You tried. He wouldn't answer. Why continue unless you don't mind being denied 1-1 interviews in the future. I give the reporter an A. I have no problem there. Trump obviously wasn't in the mood to humor him and let him 'demand' he answer the question. Yes he pulled the 'President' card on the reporter.

 

Anyway, why would Trump show up to somewhere that people may challenge his views?

I can't believe a successful person such as yourself doesn't understand why he might consider it a bad idea to attend a supposed jovial affair on a weekend with people OUT TO GET HIM? It's not like this event is something important. As far as I know, Trump being there or not being there didn't cost the charity a dime. It was sold out anyway. So let's put this on you. Let's say you are an attorney (I don't know what you do). Let's say you normally attend the Chicago Avaiation Banquet every year. Let's say you've won 3 lawsuits in a row vs the Aviation Commission and you've been told you are despised and several of the people are going to find you and rip into you verbally at this year's banquet. Would you attend? I doubt it, unless you wanted to brag in their faces about the cases you won. Otherwise ... who needs it? No harm in not attending. Why would he EVER wanna break bread with the press 100 days in. Next year? We'll see.

Edited May 2, 2017 by greg775

[Soxbadger]

I can't believe a successful person such as yourself doesn't understand why he might consider it a bad idea to attend a supposed jovial affair on a weekend with people OUT TO GET HIM? It's not like this event is something important. As far as I know, Trump being there or not being there didn't cost the charity a dime. It was sold out anyway. So let's put this on you. Let's say you are an attorney (I don't know what you do). Let's say you normally attend the Chicago Avaiation Banquet every year. Let's say you've won 3 lawsuits in a row vs the Aviation Commission and you've been told you are despised and several of the people are going to find you and rip into you verbally at this year's banquet. Would you attend? I doubt it, unless you wanted to brag in their faces about the cases you won. Otherwise ... who needs it? No harm in not attending. Why would he EVER wanna break bread with the press 100 days in. Next year? We'll see.

 

Because hes the President of the United States and you dont cower because you think the press is unfair.

 

For most people in the world life isnt fair everyday and Im not talking about being "bullied" by the press. People have s***ty jobs, s***ty bosses, no job, kids who are sick, etc. And yet every day they have to show up, because thats the reality of life. They dont get to run and hide.

 

So you know what the President of the US is supposed to do? Walk right into a place where people want to destroy him and stand up for himself. Make a few jokes, take a few shots, show the world what makes us Americans.

 

People that hate him are still likely going to hate him, people that love him will still probably love him. But at least people will respect that he showed up.

 

/shrugs

 

Thats just me though, and instead of the Aviation comparison, lets use the current one. If I was President and the press hated me, despised me, Id show up. Because Id charm the hell out of everyone and use it as an opportunity to slam it down their throats that I was going to beat them at their own game.

 

But again, thats just me.

[Middle Buffalo]

Our notoriously frugal president probably just doesn't like that the dinner is a charity event. He can take the insults - bigly. But those poor kids can pay for their own schooling.

[caulfield12]

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/wilbur-ross-sa...-210329379.html

 

You know it's a problem when missile attacks where people are killed and millions of dollars of weaponry are expended are the entertainment news at Variety.

 

 

Wilbur Ross Says Syria Missile Strike Was ‘After-Dinner Entertainment’ at Mar-a-Lago

 

“Just as dessert was being served, the president explained to Mr. Xi he had something he wanted to tell him, which was the launching of 59 missiles into Syria,” Ross said. “It was in lieu of after-dinner entertainment.”

 

As the crowd laughed, Ross added: “The thing was, it didn’t cost the president anything to have that entertainment.”

 

 

Of course, none of the Ross or Trump families have been active duty military for generations.

 

Tone deaf.

 

 

 

 

 

[greg775]

Because hes the President of the United States and you dont cower because you think the press is unfair.

 

For most people in the world life isnt fair everyday and Im not talking about being "bullied" by the press. People have s***ty jobs, s***ty bosses, no job, kids who are sick, etc. And yet every day they have to show up, because thats the reality of life. They dont get to run and hide.

 

So you know what the President of the US is supposed to do? Walk right into a place where people want to destroy him and stand up for himself. Make a few jokes, take a few shots, show the world what makes us Americans.

 

People that hate him are still likely going to hate him, people that love him will still probably love him. But at least people will respect that he showed up.

 

/shrugs

 

Thats just me though, and instead of the Aviation comparison, lets use the current one. If I was President and the press hated me, despised me, Id show up. Because Id charm the hell out of everyone and use it as an opportunity to slam it down their throats that I was going to beat them at their own game.

 

But again, thats just me.

You guys are good. You destroy me in here by ignoring my questions and picking me apart. So you won't tackle my Aviation line for some reason, but I will comment on yours. I like your take. Charming the hell out of everyone is one possible thing he could have done to beat them at their own game. That's a reasonable position IMO. I contend my example is better. Hostile audience, so why bother 100 days in? Leave it for another year, like next year, if the relationship is at least a reasonable one. Right now the press is after Trump day in and day out and Trump despises the press like he despises nobody else. Pass on the banquet. There's no reason to go play nice considering the stormy relationship.

 

Nothing surprises me anymore, but it's still shocking how you have absolutely NO regard that he holds the office of President of the United States, and isn't still the host of The Apprentice. Maybe hold him to a higher standard and not make comparisons to things COMPLETELY unrelated.

Is this banquet that big a deal?? If so, my bad. I don't think it is that big a deal to where he's doing something despicable by skipping this banquet. I certainly wouldn't feel welcome at such a gathering if I were him. I think he did everybody involved a favor by not attending. It would have been very awkward with all that hatred in the ballroom. His hatred for them; their hatred for him. One more analogy. Trump versus the press at that banquet is like me versus this board in this thread. I am so grossly outnumbered that nothing I say will be recognized as possibly being a good take. I could have the best take ever, the best line ever, and NOBODY is gonna credit me or praise me. Just as him at the banquet. He'd be sooooo outnumbered that anything he possibly did that was funny or clever or cute would never be recognized. At this point in time I don't think he stained the office of president of the USA by refusing to go to an event where he had as much of being accepted as greg does in this thread. I'm not going to a fight if it's 100 against one is what I'm trying to say. Trump didn't get to where he is by succumbing to such odds.

[Quin]

Here's a non Presidential example: Roger Goodell and formerly David Stern showed up to drafts where they were booed mercilessly.

[greg775]

Here's a non Presidential example: Roger Goodell and formerly David Stern showed up to drafts where they were booed mercilessly.

Not bad.

I can see your points, but my main point is 100 days in, the venom that's out there, I'd pass. I could be mistaken on this one. I just don't see it as some heinous offense considering the venom. But you have a good example there. I would suggest however the NFL and NBA Drafts are part of the job description of a commish. I don't think going to the annual press dinner is something the president is required to do, but again, I could be mistaken.

 

[StrangeSox]

Transcripts of his interviews melt my brain

 

Here's the full transcript

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-trum...ull-transcript/

[Kyyle23]

Lol, greg keeps calling Trump "smart" intermittently between these transcripts of his interviews.

[NorthSideSox72]

I can see your points, but my main point is 100 days in, the venom that's out there, I'd pass.

 

This is about trust for you, isn't it? Your trust in Trump, in the system, in the people make you not worry about this.

 

What history teaches us is that none of us should ever fully trust a governmental leader. Always question them, even if they are on your "team" or whatever. And questioning them can't happen if you don't have information. Since you aren't in the White House, who can give you that information?

 

A free press.

 

 

 

[StrangeSox]

[NorthSideSox72]

That's pretty fantastic. Sounds like a Douglas Adams novel.

[StrangeSox]

it is real life, check your twitter

[caulfield12]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/spicer-white-hou...--politics.html

Let's change the libel laws so Trump can sue the media...

 

At a Texas campaign rally, Trump said he wanted to "open up" U.S. libel laws "so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money."

 

"Believe me: If I become president, oh, do they have problems. They're going to have such problems," he said then.

 

 

 

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President Andrew Jackson, who died 16 years before the Civil War started, saw it coming and was angry. Would never have let it happen!

Edited May 2, 2017 by caulfield12

[NorthSideSox72]

it is real life, check your twitter

Yeah, I got the joke, thanks.

 

[Dick Allen]

Spicer says Trump stands by his claim that Obama is evil. That should endear him to his base, and pretty much every republican.

 

How can a republican not be concerned when reading these transcripts? There is obviously something wrong. He's all over the place, makes no sense, and seems to have a hard time putting a sentence together.

[StrangeSox]

Yeah, I got the joke, thanks.

 

yeah, sorry, I definitely misread that and my post came across kinda mean when it was meant more to be laughing at the wacky times we live in

[BigSqwert]

Spicer says Trump stands by his claim that Obama is evil. That should endear him to his base, and pretty much every republican.

 

How can a republican not be concerned when reading these transcripts? There is obviously something wrong. He's all over the place, makes no sense, and seems to have a hard time putting a sentence together.

 

We have to get behind him because he is our President. I didn't vote for him but he won so we should all support him no matter what.

[bmags]

Our notoriously frugal president probably just doesn't like that the dinner is a charity event. He can take the insults - bigly. But those poor kids can pay for their own schooling.

 

The WHCA gives money to those great charities that are so great that they can't articulate what the charity does.

[greg775]

This is about trust for you, isn't it? Your trust in Trump, in the system, in the people make you not worry about this.

 

What history teaches us is that none of us should ever fully trust a governmental leader. Always question them, even if they are on your "team" or whatever. And questioning them can't happen if you don't have information. Since you aren't in the White House, who can give you that information?

 

A free press.

I'm all for the press. I just didn't think skipping the dinner was a big deal considering both sides dislike each other.

 

I'm glad the reporter asked Trump about his prior statements on Obama spying on him (which he obviously didn't). It's obvious Trump wants the issue of his lie about Obama tapping his phone to go away. Although somebody said Spicer said Trump stands by his comment that Obama is evil today. If Obama was evil, we'd know it by now. He was president for 8 years and didn't do anything evil. Yeah as a watchdog issue, it's good Trump is asked about his dumb original statement on that.

 

Trump shouldn't get away with saying Obama tapped his phone when Obama didn't. Or that Obama is evil. But when he says he won't talk about it in a specific 1-on-1 interview, it might be best to try again another day rather than pursue it and have the interview come to an end. I am not aware if the interview already had been lengthy or if this line of questioning came early. I'd hope the reporter brought it up late in the interview at least after the reporter had already gotten answers to a batch of questions.

 

As far as Trump, I wouldn't say I trust him. If I did I'd vote for him. I've heard other people say we should give him a chance, why am I the bad guy for saying it here? I think even Ms. Clinton said that.

I probably should stop posting about Trump a while. He's not going to succeed and as a 1 percenter with plenty of hangers-on, he is definitely not somebody who needs defending. He's got minions to do that for him.

Edited May 2, 2017 by greg775

[Texsox]

The two biggest protections we have from a tyrannical government are our courts and a free press. The government writes a law that is against our constitution, it is up to the judicial branch to stop them. (Some use the pejorative term activist judge to describe that protection) Democracy is also protected by a free press that can expose the wrongdoings of the government. Some call reporting those wrongdoings "Fake News".

 

But some people would rather toss those out believing their personal guns are all they need.

[caulfield12]

This is something Greg has talked a lot about, the feeling of being persecuted for his Christian beliefs...so you have the Dems, who largely embrace diversity (mixing of cultures/values), and the Republicans, who largely embrace a WASP religious belief.

 

 

Republicans, on the other hand, are much less likely than Democrats to believe any minority group faces a lot of discrimination, and they believe Christians and whites face roughly as much discrimination as immigrants, Muslims and gay and transgender people. Moreover, only 27 percent of Republicans say blacks experience a lot of discrimination, while 43 percent say whites do and 48 percent say the same of Christians.

 

Taken as a whole, these partisan portraits highlight contrasting responses to the country’s changing demographics and culture, especially over the past decade as the country has ceased to be a majority white Christian nation — from 54 percent in 2008 to 43 percent today. Democrats — only 29 percent of whom are white and Christian — are embracing these changes as central to their vision of an evolving American identity that is strengthened and renewed by diversity. By contrast, Republicans — nearly three-quarters of whom identify as white and Christian — see these changes eroding a core white Christian American identity and perceive themselves to be under siege as the country changes around them.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/02/opinion/...ol-right-region

 

 

This is also part of the reason for that seismic shift of Obama voters in 2008 and 2012 moving to Trump in 2016.

 

 

Edited May 3, 2017 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/03/t...ansition-237850

 

Trump doing the exact opposite of draining the swamp....numerous Trump transition team members now lobbying the government for private interests