President Donald Trump: The Thread

[Kyyle23]

your positive descriptors are positively hilarious. Hard working lmao

[CrimsonWeltall]

I like to call him a "rich one percenter." That pretty much describes him. It's not my fault we elected a rich one-percenter.

 

Mitt Romney was also a rich one-percenter and he has hardly any of the massive character flaws that Donald Trump has.

[greg775]

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How did he get there? He infamously got a few million dollars from Daddy to get started, which already puts him in a better place than 95% of the people going into Real Estate. But even more importantly - truly, this is the key in my view - his Dad was already in Real Estate and he gave his son THE CONNECTIONS. That is everything in Real Estate. That is the key to the kingdom. He was handed everything on a silver platter. And what did that get him? By most projections, less profit than he would have had if he had just put the few million in an index fund.

He hasn't accomplished anything special. He was handed everything, managed to stay moving forward thanks to his willingness to step on anyone for a dollar, and bullied his way to success. Just about anyone who is as willing as he is to treat others like crap could have done the same if given the same opportunities.

I can accept this post. I don't know if he was handed everything but most rich one percenters do have a silver platter from past generations setting them up well. Good post by you IMO.

 

He inherited a real estate empire and tens of millions of dollars. He frequently rips off contractors, clients, and customers. He's a great (and shameless) self-promoter and brand builder. He's excellent at fooling people.

If it's such a great businessman, why won't banks lend to him?

He did horrendously in the debates with Clinton.

 

I'd like you to address these things:

- He frequently displays his ignorance of the basics of how government works and likewise makes huge errors with regards to history, science, and economics.

- He speaks, and writes, at a child-like level.

- His political views constantly flip-flop due because he is too intellectually lazy to think about, and develop, any principles.

- He lacks critical thinking skills, which leads him to believe in pseudoscience and conspiracy theories.

- His responses in interviews are largely incoherent streams of thought with little direction.

You want me to address things but many of the things you say I disagree with and they are not facts. How the hell can i take you seriously and address your assertions about Trump such as "he speakes and writes at a child-like level" when you say he did horrendously in the debates with Clinton. You want me to address things that are YOUR perceptions. Read over what you want me to address. I think they are worded poorly as if YOU have all the answers re. Trump.

[Jenksismyhero]

greg-

 

One of the points you bring up for the intelligence of Trump is his business success. This is quite common. Others point out in contrast that he's not actually been all that successful by various measures.

 

But here's the key in my view.

 

How did he get there? He infamously got a few million dollars from Daddy to get started, which already puts him in a better place than 95% of the people going into Real Estate. But even more importantly - truly, this is the key in my view - his Dad was already in Real Estate and he gave his son THE CONNECTIONS. That is everything in Real Estate. That is the key to the kingdom. He was handed everything on a silver platter. And what did that get him? By most projections, less profit than he would have had if he had just put the few million in an index fund.

 

He hasn't accomplished anything special. He was handed everything, managed to stay moving forward thanks to his willingness to step on anyone for a dollar, and bullied his way to success. Just about anyone who is as willing as he is to treat others like crap could have done the same if given the same opportunities.

 

Alright, I agree that Trump is not smart. I agree that he was provided a huge head start. But taking a few million and some connections and making an empire worth, even conservatively, several BILLION, is still SOMETHING. I'm sure a lot of us got money from our parents for school or in cash and we're not multi-millionaires.

 

And despite his dumbness, he still managed to be an absolute nobody politically and beat out other republican candidates and Hillary in the election. There's SOME intelligence there. A complete moron does not attain the Presidency in 2017.

Edited May 12, 2017 by JenksIsMyHero

[southsider2k5]

He's a fantastic snake oil salesman. I wouldn't regard that as intelligence, at least a form that's relevant to being President.

 

Understanding how to read and work people isn't an easy trait.

[greg775]

your positive descriptors are positively hilarious. Hard working lmao

Yet you post no descriptors. It's because you and others indeed know how to defeat me on this board. I've accepted that fact. You guys have defeated me time and again in a debate. I concede that I have been buried big time. I lose. I admit that.

 

Mitt Romney was also a rich one-percenter and he has hardly any of the massive character flaws that Donald Trump has.

I'll have to think more about this and research Romney more. It does give me something to think about.

[Dick Allen]

So is he smart or not? I think it's obvious the man is intelligent. Of course he's a con artist as well. He's a ruthless businessman, does not care at all about the little guy. No offense to 1 percenters, but I would suggest most are bad people.

 

 

I'd agree he's a conman. He's also a jerk and a ruthless individual. Still say that all comes from unabashed ego.

 

 

If he's such a bad bet why is he still rich beyond belief? Yeah I think he's knowledgeable.

Destroyed in the debates? Are you serious? The man defeated Hillary who was horrid in the debates. I can't believe you think he's 'dumb.' He's a lot of things but he's very smart.

 

 

 

I challenge you Trump haters to come up with a list of things to describe him. I bet they'd be all negative.

I would call him ...

Ruthless, narcissistic, ego-filled, selfish, shielded, name dropper, paranoid, unable to relate to the common person; but also hard-working, smart, patriotic, driven.

I'm afraid he's also impulsive which could be bad for the country.

 

He's rich because, A. he was born into it, and B. he has people like you convinced he is a smart businessman who has everything he touches turn to gold.

 

Hard working? Hardly.

 

[Dick Allen]

So is he smart or not? I think it's obvious the man is intelligent. Of course he's a con artist as well. He's a ruthless businessman, does not care at all about the little guy. No offense to 1 percenters, but I would suggest most are bad people.

 

 

I'd agree he's a conman. He's also a jerk and a ruthless individual. Still say that all comes from unabashed ego.

 

 

If he's such a bad bet why is he still rich beyond belief? Yeah I think he's knowledgeable.

Destroyed in the debates? Are you serious? The man defeated Hillary who was horrid in the debates. I can't believe you think he's 'dumb.' He's a lot of things but he's very smart.

 

 

 

I challenge you Trump haters to come up with a list of things to describe him. I bet they'd be all negative.

I would call him ...

Ruthless, narcissistic, ego-filled, selfish, shielded, name dropper, paranoid, unable to relate to the common person; but also hard-working, smart, patriotic, driven.

I'm afraid he's also impulsive which could be bad for the country.

 

He's rich because, A. he was born into it, and B. he has people like you convinced he is a smart businessman who has everything he touches turn into gold.

The coalminers are going to get their jobs back. Taxes are going to be almost zero. Everyone will have a great paying job. Health insurance will be almost free and everyone will have access to any doctor they choose. We just have to get rid of the Mexicans and all the other "foreigners".

 

His team has already said he was full of s***. Donald the president can't be held to what he promised as Donald the candidate. 2 different things.

 

Keep listening to Rush and keep buying what he is selling. Rush wants his tax cuts and wants to get rid of brown people. Trump's his guy.

 

Hard working? Hardly.

Edited May 12, 2017 by Dick Allen

[Kyyle23]

Honest question: Would I be banned from the site if I called Hillary a "human piece of garbage" even in the filibuster? I mean, cmon. Our president is a human piece of garbage? Really? I would not call him that. He's not that bad.

If you want to have an honest discussion ... is it likely he'll last his four years? No. Is it likely he'll ultimately be impeached? Yes. But I don't think he's so bad he's a human piece of garbage.

 

Ummm plenty of people have called her worse during the campaign

[StrangeSox]

Alright, I agree that Trump is not smart. I agree that he was provided a huge head start. But taking a few million and some connections and making an empire worth, even conservatively, several BILLION, is still SOMETHING. I'm sure a lot of us got money from our parents for school or in cash and we're not multi-millionaires.

 

He was born a multimillionaire with amazing connections. He's gone bankrupt many times. He regularly screws over contractors and business partners. Crimson isn't lying or exaggerating when he says US financiers haven't wanted anything to do with him in a long, long time.

 

He's built most of his empire on selling his name to things and his reality TV show.

 

And despite his dumbness, he still managed to be an absolute nobody politically and beat out other republican candidates and Hillary in the election. There's SOME intelligence there. A completely moron does not attain the Presidency in 2017.

 

He's a fantastic showman. He won the election in a tide of personality and resentment towards Clinton. What has he done, especially since descending the escalator in 2015, that demonstrates intelligence?

[StrangeSox]

Understanding how to read and work people isn't an easy trait.

 

This is absolutely his strongest trait, and it's why he's President.

[StrangeSox]

Greg, why do you messaure intelligence by worth?

 

This is another important point imo. Assuming that wealth means you're smart is a pretty toxic mindset, and it often leads to the inverse mindset (poor=dumb or bad or lazy etc>) too.

[greg775]

Greg, why do you messaure intelligence by worth?

Typical response to me. Short but sweet ignoring my posts. I thought I posted THIS in regards to my thinking he's intelligent:

"1.) I don't have time to look up ALL the business deals he concocted through his life to get where he is. His intelligence of his chosen field (business, hotels, whatever you want to call it is impeccable).

2.) He obviously studied world affairs enough to be elected president. s***, most Americans don't even know the map of the world. He obviously is in the top 5 percent book smart people in the world on the map and international affairs. yes he obviously is book smart in terms of history, education. That makes him smart as well.

3.) He can think on his feet. He won the presidency after a SERIES of debates. So yes he's very smart in the realm of debate. He has knowledge and is able to express the knowledge in a debate format. He is thus intelligent, yes he is.

4.) How can you say he's not intelligent? For one second assume my point could be correct. Look at all of his controversies and tell me they are not sparked by his EGO?? Just tell me that."

 

 

Ummm plenty of people have called her worse during the campaign

Another great response to me. Short but sweet, but largely incorrect, designed to change the subject while also making greg look bad. There's no way in hell anybody on this board including me, her biggest critic, said anything that mean about Ms. Clinton. I even stopped calling her Hilly cause somebody told me to do so.

Edited May 12, 2017 by greg775

[StrangeSox]

why did I bother responding

[Jenksismyhero]

He was born a multimillionaire with amazing connections. He's gone bankrupt many times. He regularly screws over contractors and business partners. Crimson isn't lying or exaggerating when he says US financiers haven't wanted anything to do with him in a long, long time.

 

He's built most of his empire on selling his name to things and his reality TV show.

 

 

 

He's a fantastic showman. He won the election in a tide of personality and resentment towards Clinton. What has he done, especially since descending the escalator in 2015, that demonstrates intelligence?

 

Bankrupt or not (not sure why this is a total negative, if anything it proves he's intelligent enough to use the system to his advantage), he's got a net worth of billions. Complete morons would have taken those millions and pissed them away. He doesn't have to be intellectually smart to have some intelligence. He obviously can read people. He can connect with people. He can, at least in some business deals, hire the right people to make money for him.

 

Sorry, I hate the dude as much as you guys, but i'm not going to ignore reality and claim a guy that is worth billions has zero intelligence. That's just dumb.

 

Perhaps the argument here is intellect vs. skill. IMO he's got some skills, which require a base level of intelligence. Professional athletes may not be ivy-league smart, but they have exceptional skill and intelligence in a specific area that allows them to excel. I think Trump has some level of that or he would have washed out decades ago.

Edited May 12, 2017 by JenksIsMyHero

[Dick Allen]

The Kardashians are filthy rich. I bet they are very smart.

 

Donald Trump as POTUS is IMO a gift from reality television. I know a few people who voted for him just because they liked the Apprentice.

[Kyyle23]

Typical response to me. Short but sweet ignoring my posts. I thought I posted THIS in regards to my thinking he's intelligent:

"1.) I don't have time to look up ALL the business deals he concocted through his life to get where he is. His intelligence of his chosen field (business, hotels, whatever you want to call it is impeccable).

2.) He obviously studied world affairs enough to be elected president. s***, most Americans don't even know the map of the world. He obviously is in the top 5 percent book smart people in the world on the map and international affairs. yes he obviously is book smart in terms of history, education. That makes him smart as well.

3.) He can think on his feet. He won the presidency after a SERIES of debates. So yes he's very smart in the realm of debate. He has knowledge and is able to express the knowledge in a debate format. He is thus intelligent, yes he is.

4.) How can you say he's not intelligent? For one second assume my point could be correct. Look at all of his controversies and tell me they are not sparked by his EGO?? Just tell me that."

 

 

 

Another great response to me. Short but sweet, but largely incorrect, designed to change the subject while also making greg look bad. There's no way in hell anybody on this board including me, her biggest critic, said anything that mean about Ms. Clinton. I even stopped calling her Hilly cause somebody told me to do so.

 

 

Greg, alpha and Drunkbomber have posted many many times about how much they hate Hillary, and continue to do so. That is their right. People asked you to stop calling her hilly because it's a stupid nickname

[Jenksismyhero]

The Kardashians are filthy rich. I bet they are very smart.

 

Donald Trump as POTUS is IMO a gift from reality television. I know a few people who voted for him just because they liked the Apprentice.

 

Not sure if you're trying to be funny here, but they are. They are geniuses in the social media game. They have no other discernible skills yet they've created an empire. There's some intelligence there too, even if they say/do/think grade level stuff.

[greg775]

He was born a multimillionaire with amazing connections. He's gone bankrupt many times. He regularly screws over contractors and business partners. Crimson isn't lying or exaggerating when he says US financiers haven't wanted anything to do with him in a long, long time.

 

He's built most of his empire on selling his name to things and his reality TV show.

 

 

 

He's a fantastic showman. He won the election in a tide of personality and resentment towards Clinton. What has he done, especially since descending the escalator in 2015, that demonstrates intelligence?

Sorry to not respond right away.

1.) I guess you are saying he's a good salesman and that's it. Fair enough, but I happen to think he's smart as well.

2.) your last point is also a fair one. I mean I can accept your post as possibly being true. I don't know if that's the only reason he won, the resentment toward CLinton. After all, Bernie didn't win. If she's that hated wouldn't Bernie have won? What has he done since 2015 that demonstrates intelligence? Fair point. But what did Barack do in his final year that demonstrated intelligence? I mean we could go through everything Trump has signed on his desk and the appointments he's made, etc. It's not like he's just been some big guy dressed in a clown suit doing something stupid 15 hours a day. Rush would tell you he's done many good things that have not been acknowledged by an attacking media that is trying to complete the deal and get him outta there ASAP.

Fair post, however, by you. I should think about your points and will.

Edited May 12, 2017 by greg775

[CrimsonWeltall]

You want me to address things but many of the things you say I disagree with and they are not facts. How the hell can i take you seriously and address your assertions about Trump such as "he speakes and writes at a child-like level" when you say he did horrendously in the debates with Clinton. You want me to address things that are YOUR perceptions.

 

The child-like speech isn't merely a perception. People have analyzed him with the Flesch–Kincaid readability test and found that he's usually around the 3rd-4th grade level. Most politicians speak around a middle-school level. That's an objective measure. He talks in a bizarrely simple way. Everything is great/tremendous or horrible/a disaster. He frequently references "things" and "stuff".

 

What did he say during the debates that made him look intelligent, in your opinion?

[greg775]

Greg, alpha and Drunkbomber have posted many many times about how much they hate Hillary, and continue to do so. That is their right. People asked you to stop calling her hilly because it's a stupid nickname

And yet you obviously see NOTHING wrong in calling our President a "human piece of garbage." Man. I guess it's OK cause it's not a stupid nickname. Then I'd like to ask you to never again call our U.S. president a human piece of garbage, at least until after he's removed from office.

 

And you didn't answer my question: would I have been banned if I called Ms. Clinton that name??

Edited May 12, 2017 by greg775

[StrangeSox]

Not sure if you're trying to be funny here, but they are. They are geniuses in the social media game. They have no other discernible skills yet they've created an empire. There's some intelligence there too, even if they say/do/think grade level stuff.

 

Yeah I guess we're all pretty clearly differentiating between "having a skill that makes you a lot of money" and actually being an 'intelligent' person. A discussion over what 'intelligent' actually means and how you can evaluate it could be interesting, but generally we're talking about the ability to read and understand things, think things through multiple steps, envision and imagine complex scenarios and patterns, etc.

 

The Kardashians and Trump are a hell of a lot richer than Einstein was or Stephen Hawking is, but I think we'd all agree that the latter two are much, much more intelligent people.

 

 

[CrimsonWeltall]

Understanding how to read and work people isn't an easy trait.

 

No, it's not. Though many people who do have that ability have too much integrity and shame to take advantage of people like that.

[StrangeSox]

The child-like speech isn't merely a perception. People have analyzed him with the Flesch–Kincaid readability test and found that he's usually around the 3rd-4th grade level. Most politicians speak around a middle-school level. That's an objective measure. He talks in a bizarrely simple way. Everything is great/tremendous or horrible/a disaster. He frequently references "things" and "stuff".

 

What did he say during the debates that made him look intelligent, in your opinion?

 

 

And yet you obviously see NOTHING wrong in calling our President a "human piece of garbage." Man. I guess it's OK cause it's not a stupid nickname. Then I'd like to ask you to never again call our U.S. president a human piece of garbage, at least until after he's removed from office.

 

And you didn't answer my question: would I have been banned if I called Ms. Clinton that name??

 

Trump is literally human garbage and deserves as much respect for himself or the office as he's ever shown. Besides, greg, I thought you were happy to see "PC" culture die and for people to "tell it like it is"?

Edited May 12, 2017 by StrangeSox

[greg775]

The child-like speech isn't merely a perception. People have analyzed him with the Flesch–Kincaid readability test and found that he's usually around the 3rd-4th grade level. Most politicians speak around a middle-school level. That's an objective measure. He talks in a bizarrely simple way. Everything is great/tremendous or horrible/a disaster. He frequently references "things" and "stuff".

 

What did he say during the debates that made him look intelligent, in your opinion?

Why should I rattle off specific facts when nobody will show me the same courtesy and merely take eight words in a five paragraph post of mine to beat me down in a debate on here? It's all generalization. I thought he did a fine job in the debates, why isn't that enough right there to satisfy?