bmags Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 I think there is no doubt it was unwittingly. The man wanted to boast and impress his friends about how smart he is. This may end up with small fall out this time, but we will continue to see the chemical reaction of when the most banal of government activities is mixed with the absurdity of his personality ego and ignorance. edit: edited a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ May 15, 2017 -> 04:59 PM) I think there is no doubt it was unwittingly. The man wanted to boast and impress his friends about how smart he is. This may end up with small fall out this time, but we will continue to see the chemical reaction of when the most banal of government activities is mixed with the absurdity of his personality ego and ignorance. edit: edited a lot A lot of the commentary flowing in is already saying "this sort of leak can get sources killed or entire intel-gathering operations dismantled." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 15, 2017 -> 05:05 PM) A lot of the commentary flowing in is already saying "this sort of leak can get sources killed or entire intel-gathering operations dismantled." Yes but two points: 1) that is always the level that foreign policy/intel analysis goes to even if accurate and 2) there are much larger tail risks that I'm scared of that include war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 This is exactly as I imagine it: LAVROV: You get lousy intel. TRUMP: No I don't. KISLYAK: That's what Stef said... TRUMP: I get great intel! LAVROV: Nah ah. TRUMP: Oh yeah?— John Podhoretz (@jpodhoretz) May 15, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 15, 2017 -> 05:42 PM) to be honest I'm leaning more towards "disclosed unwittingly because he's an incompetent dumbass with the never-ending need for validation from anyone he's around" at this point to bolster my point: He actually responded to the allegations. not really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 At the very least, whichever country was the source of this info is definitely going to be a lot more hesitant to share with the US going forward, and it'll probably cause our other allies to think twice on what they're sharing as well. Gotta wonder how true those rumors at the start of his term were about the intel community not fully sharing info with the White House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 After seeing folks like McCain defending this, I'm very curious to see what would really happen if Trump shot someone on 5th avenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Worse, think of how his own staff feeds him crap news sources that align with what they want to see done. We are going to be fed B.S. from other intel sources that they may hope to get out. Now, our intel services are probably good enough to weed that out, except Trump takes loads of info from terrilbe sources like Roger stone (STILL) that could be used to manipulate him, because Stone and Flynn are complete idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 I think the McCain thing was a joke that either the reporter made up or it was McCain poking fun at the justifications for firing Comey less than a week ago. Not 100% sure on that yet though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ May 15, 2017 -> 05:10 PM) Worse, think of how his own staff feeds him crap news sources that align with what they want to see done. We are going to be fed B.S. from other intel sources that they may hope to get out. Now, our intel services are probably good enough to weed that out, except Trump takes loads of info from terrilbe sources like Roger stone (STILL) that could be used to manipulate him, because Stone and Flynn are complete idiots. K.T. MacFarland was presenting him with fake internet memes of Time Magazine news covers allegedly from 1970 about "how will we survive global cooling?!?" and from 2008 about global warming. We're governed by a foxnews.com article comment section right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 I think we really need to prosecute the people who leaked that Trump gave away information to Russia. Obviously these people are criminals and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I believe Jeff Sessions is working on a memorandum of law that anyone who leaks information should be charged with treason and are enemy combatants, therefore falling outside of the Geneva Convention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Flynn was such a concern because it was possible that he was or could be compromised and would leak information to kislyak. Trump just cut out the middle man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Russians were tricky and they took advantage of an old man. How could he possibly know that Kislyak is a spy. No one has ever said this before. He thought he was just a nice diplomat who wanted to take pictures with a famous man like Donald Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Somebody embed this and note the date https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/623541014976962560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 (edited) It's just speculation now, but someone proposed the info could be from Israel. Can he go one day without stepping on his di**? Oh, then there's this. (Jim Mattis's cell phone number revealed via sticky note on Trump's bodyguard's papers.) https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-p...m=.68cd7bb0c583 Edited May 15, 2017 by Big Hurtin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Is this impeachable? Can we get rid of this imbecile already?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 (edited) White House and nsc issuing denials, but pretty notably they're worded much more as limited damage control and aren't outright denials of the story. https://twitter.com/JessicaHuseman/status/864257027660537856 Putin was the one that convinced Trump to meet with the Russian FM, and the White House has never acknowledged that kislyak was even there. That's only come from Russian state media. Edited May 15, 2017 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Well, the answer is yes The question was "could trump step on his dick any more than he already has, Today?" McMaster with the lolz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Re: Trump staff denials, remember that less than a week ago Trump did his spokespeople don't always have accurate information! https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/status/...253303940665345 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Spicer must be like FML Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 For any Republican congressperson defending this, I'd love to see a reporter ask, on air, if they'd react the same way if it was President Hillary Clinton who did this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 15, 2017 -> 06:55 PM) For any Republican congressperson defending this, I'd love to see a reporter ask, on air, if they'd react the same way if it was President Hillary Clinton who did this. Excuse me did Trump leak any emails? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 From tpm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 Whole bunch of yelling going on in the White House right now in a closed door meeting with bannon, preibus, Sanders and another advisor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 16, 2017 Share Posted May 16, 2017 That denial of things not alleged in the WP story was a confirmation of its accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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