President Donald Trump: The Thread

[StrangeSox]

:v

 

Edit: it's too late to say "of course I knew that, it was obviously a joke," isn't it?

Edited January 25, 2017 by StrangeSox

[caulfield12]

It's getting impossible to discuss anything because 1/3rd or 1/4th of the people calling in to CSPAN are accusing them of all news organizations of being biased against Trump...claiming they will cut their cable bills or figure out some way to defund those Washington elites like Brian Lamb in the news business.

 

Forget even discussing things using the NY Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal...so what does that leave, if Time and Newsweek and US News and World Report are being lumped in together with liberal globalist Ted Turner's CNN?

 

The Christian Science Monitor? BBC or The Guardian? Well, foreigners all want to prevent America from being great again, so they can't be trusted either. Al Jazeera? No, that's Obama's Muslim caliphate/permanent jihad against the Christian world and American Exceptionalism propaganda arm.

 

I would love to hear anyone leaning to the right or conservative list news organizations that are trustworthy. Please don't mention Fox News, let's try to be real for a minute.

 

And maybe if the Republican Party apologized for their treatment of Obama for eight years...which he consistently handled with dignity other than a few public outbursts of frustration or more accurately irritation...the left side of the political spectrum wouldn't be so annoyed. But now their lecturing about how we should be gracious to the new president after what we've witnessed the last eight years (hate/racism/deliberate obstructionism) is beyond the pale.

[caulfield12]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-trump-...-001530555.html

 

Trump expected to suspend all immigration from six Muslim majority countries in the Middle East, including Syria, Iran and Iraq.

 

Of course, Irani-Americans typically have economic outcomes 40-80% better than the average white families. But they're all going to be collectively lumped in together as potential jihadists.

[Steve9347]

We are living in Goerge Orwell's 1984. A string of science-based tweets from one of the national parks have all been deleted.

 

Edit: Some of their tweets were captured here.

I cannot believe this is happening.

[Steve9347]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-trump-...-001530555.html

 

Trump expected to suspend all immigration from six Muslim majority countries in the Middle East, including Syria, Iran and Iraq.

 

Of course, Irani-Americans typically have economic outcomes 40-80% better than the average white families. But they're all going to be collectively lumped in together as potential jihadists.

I cannot believe this is happening.

[Steve9347]

I cannot believe this is happening. Where are the people who care about the greater good? How can we allow such open hatred toward our fellow man?

[Steve9347]

Are there absolutely no people on the right who actually care about the evil that's already happened? It's been 5 days. Every day delivers more awful news of mandates being brought down that make me ashamed to be American. I am ashamed to have to explain this to my daughter.

[Steve9347]

It's just feeling quite hopeless. There's so many who don't GAF. There's so many people who see this as a prime opportunity to get prayer back in school, to strip women of their rights, to condemn people because of their background and religious beliefs. This is not the America I was told existed.

 

Democracy is dead. Bring me your tired, your hungry, your poor? Bulls***. The land of opportunity? Not really. Only if you fit a certain makeup.

 

How can so many elected officials stand idly by and allow this? Why do they have absolutely no conscience?

 

Why are we spitting in face of science and education? Why do our leaders suddenly care so little about the world within which we live? Why are Twitter accounts being shut down?

 

How did so many people vote for a f***ing child celebrity?

 

This is a nightmare.

[Big Hurtin]

Steve, why are you surprised? Did you see the responses he got on his campaign trail? Your faith in your fellow man is admirable, but sadly misplaced.

[caulfield12]

I can't believe they're going to protect DeVos from another hearing...when she doesn't know the difference between growth and proficiency or that schools have to comply with IDEA.

 

And still confirm her regardless.

 

Or Ben Carson. Perry. The new EPA head. Sessions...c'mon. That will unite the country? Not a single Hispanic-American out of 22 positions when they comprise 14-15% of the US population now?

 

 

Take me back to that moment with Betsy DeVos, when it became very clear that she didn't know the difference between growth and proficiency. What was going through your mind when you realized what was happening?

 

Al Franken

When I had my courtesy meeting with her, it became very apparent very quickly that she did not know much of anything about education policy and that her whole experience with education was from her [vantage] point of advocacy of vouchers. If you're going to be taking money from the public school system, and giving it to kids to go to private schools and private religious schools, you have to be accountable for what kind of results they're getting. And a big part of the way that we hold schools accountable is making assessments. So I naturally wanted to know what her philosophy was on assessments. This is something that, as you can imagine, is very central in all the debate on educational policy, and absolutely essential and central to this debate. And so I figured I'd ask her about it. I thought from talking to her, the first day I talked to her, that there was some chance that she wouldn't know this. But this is like asking a prospective football coach how many yards are there in a first down. You really wouldn't want to hire a coach who was unaware that there are 10 yards to get a first down. [laughs] And she didn't know that. And she didn't know that you had four tries to get it.

Edited January 25, 2017 by caulfield12

[Steve9347]

Steve, why are you surprised? Did you see the responses he got on his campaign trail? Your faith in your fellow man is admirable, but sadly misplaced.

I have no faith in my fellow man. I thought maybe the clowns elected to care about my fellow man would do so.

 

I thought Trump would be normalized. Instead he's simply signing every piece of paper out in front of him and smiling like an imbecile.

[NorthSideSox72]

I have no faith in my fellow man. I thought maybe the clowns elected to care about my fellow man would do so.

 

I thought Trump would be normalized. Instead he's simply signing every piece of paper out in front of him and smiling like an imbecile.

It's pretty depressing that someone so clearly unqualified, so very bigoted and misogynist, so clinically narcissistic, was elected. Heck I've voted for more GOP'ers than Dems over the years and I find him appalling.

 

That said...

 

--A majority of voters didn't want him to be President, and since he was elected his support has been plummeting - which indicates how things may go for him

--Remember that even when Obama, and Bush before him, had brief full party control in the legislature, even they could only do so much

--The 2018 Congressional elections at the state and federal levels will almost assuredly rock the boat back left - this is just history.

--Speaking of that, whomever does do well in 2018 gets control over 2020 redistricting efforts. 2010 it was GOP control, and 2020 probably is more Dem control, though we'll see how it goes. Balancing out.

--Citizens were duped by fake news, but the citizenry adapts over time. Slowly, but, they do. It won't work forever.

--Trump got the margin of victory by those silent supporters, not the loud ones. And the silent majority is always easiest to sway. They won't stick with him for long.

 

Things will balance out. Meanwhile, yeah, it will suck, and not just for liberals mind you. Those of us who are aligned with a Republican Party who emphasizes individual freedoms and fiscal restraint are also disgusted by this man. But I do believe we will be OK in the end. Just need to hope for minimal damage in the meantime.

 

 

[Balta1701]

And how many will die?

[Y2Jimmy0]

Steve, why are you surprised? Did you see the responses he got on his campaign trail? Your faith in your fellow man is admirable, but sadly misplaced.

 

 

Less than 30% of the people voted for him. I always remind myself of that every time some moron says "the people have spoken"

[Balta1701]

Less than 30% of the people voted for him. I always remind myself of that every time some moron says "the people have spoken"

History has shown that a great many more people than that will look the other way when the terrible things start, as long as they are coming for someone else.

[Soxbadger]

Steve, why are you surprised? Did you see the responses he got on his campaign trail? Your faith in your fellow man is admirable, but sadly misplaced.

 

 

I have no faith in my fellow man. I thought maybe the clowns elected to care about my fellow man would do so.

 

I thought Trump would be normalized. Instead he's simply signing every piece of paper out in front of him and smiling like an imbecile.

 

 

If you dont have belief in the goodness of other people, then what is the point of liberalism at all? No matter how much progress, there will always be times when humanity takes a step back. But we must persevere. Sometimes we forget that human existence has been a relatively short amount of time. But in that short amount of time we have created some truly magnificent things. And yes, humanity has done terrible things, but life before society was as Hobbes would say "No arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death: and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short." And that sentence was merely describing how much better humans had it with Kings, aristocrats, etc.

 

Less than 200 years ago, hundreds of thousands of Americans died because a large portion of our nation believed that slavery was okay.

 

In the last 100 years, millions have died fighting over invisible lines and religion.

 

Irrespective of Trump, we are moving forward. He is merely the last scream of a dying belief, its their Battle of the Bulge, and in the end, they will never recover from their losses.

 

And how many will die?

 

Balta,

 

We are on the same side, but comments like this only feed fuel to Trump supporters (not saying that Northside is one). The best way to win this battle, is to strike them at their very core. Republican's have destroyed their foundation, and eventually they will collapse on themselves. It is how society works, the many eventually beat the few.

 

[Balta1701]

If you dont have belief in the goodness of other people, then what is the point of liberalism at all? No matter how much progress, there will always be times when humanity takes a step back. But we must persevere. Sometimes we forget that human existence has been a relatively short amount of time. But in that short amount of time we have created some truly magnificent things. And yes, humanity has done terrible things, but life before society was as Hobbes would say "No arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death: and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short." And that sentence was merely describing how much better humans had it with Kings, aristocrats, etc.

 

Less than 200 years ago, hundreds of thousands of Americans died because a large portion of our nation believed that slavery was okay.

 

In the last 100 years, millions have died fighting over invisible lines and religion.

 

Irrespective of Trump, we are moving forward. He is merely the last scream of a dying belief, its their Battle of the Bulge, and in the end, they will never recover from their losses.

 

 

 

Balta,

 

We are on the same side, but comments like this only feed fuel to Trump supporters (not saying that Northside is one). The best way to win this battle, is to strike them at their very core. Republican's have destroyed their foundation, and eventually they will collapse on themselves. It is how society works, the many eventually beat the few.

You have far more faith in the goodness of this country than I do after this year.

[Soxbadger]

You have far more faith in the goodness of this country than I do after this year.

 

 

When your ancestors have been persecuted for thousands of years, you dont fret the cowards like Trump. He is a disaster and has more colossal failures than successes. People like him dont make it in the real world.

Edited January 25, 2017 by Soxbadger

[caulfield12]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trum...senators-234102

 

Two favorites have emerged for the Supreme Court nomination

 

President Donald Trump has narrowed his first Supreme Court nomination to three finalists, with 10th Circuit judge Neil Gorsuch and 3rd Circuit judge Thomas Hardimanemerging as front-runners while 11th Circuit Judge Bill Pryor remains in the running but is fading, according to people familiar with the search process.

 

As Gorsuch’s fortunes have risen, Pryor’s have dimmed. A 2006 George W. Bush appointee, Pryor is currently the subject of raging debate on an off-the-record group email list that includes many in the conservative legal and political communities, including many Republican Senate staffers, thanks to his decision to join the majority in Glenn v. Brumby, a 2011 opinion that protected transgender people from workplace discrimination.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Gorsuch

Pretty impressive background, at least from a superficial glance. Only 49.

 

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/real-ti...-shortlist.html

Story on Hardiman, also relatively young at 51. Kind of a Horatio Alger life.

 

The Third Circuit is based in Philadelphia, but Hardiman, 51, spends most of his time in Pittsburgh, where he lives with his wife, Lori, who is a lawyer, and their three children. Among his fellow jurists on the Third Circuit is Trump’s sister, Maryanne Trump Barry.

 

Hardiman, a graduate of Notre Dame University and the Georgetown University Law Center, came from humble beginnings. He is originally from Massachusetts. His father was a cabdriver, and Hardiman also drove a cab to help pay for law school. He was the first person in his family to attend college.

 

Paul Titus, a Pittsburgh-based lawyer for Schnader Harrison, longtime friend of Hardiman’s, and a former colleague, said Hardiman did substantial amounts of pro bono work while he was in private practice.

 

“If you look among circuit judges who are Republican in their 40s and 50s, it’s not surprising that his name would come up,” Titus said. "He is a very intelligent, careful and thoughtful lawyer. A very decent person."

 

Hardiman is fluent in Spanish and was nominated to the U.S. District Court in Pittsburgh by President George W. Bush in 2003.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[caulfield12]

Meanwhile, the Dutch government has said it will set up an international fund to counter the effects of Mr Trump's ban on US funding for abortions in developing countries.

 

The Dutch development minister, Lilianne Ploumen, said withdrawing funding would not result in fewer abortions, but would increase dangerous abortion practices and cause more maternal deaths.

 

Bbc.com

[StrangeSox]

It's pretty depressing that someone so clearly unqualified, so very bigoted and misogynist, so clinically narcissistic, was elected. Heck I've voted for more GOP'ers than Dems over the years and I find him appalling.

 

That said...

 

--A majority of voters didn't want him to be President, and since he was elected his support has been plummeting - which indicates how things may go for him

--Remember that even when Obama, and Bush before him, had brief full party control in the legislature, even they could only do so much

--The 2018 Congressional elections at the state and federal levels will almost assuredly rock the boat back left - this is just history.

--Speaking of that, whomever does do well in 2018 gets control over 2020 redistricting efforts. 2010 it was GOP control, and 2020 probably is more Dem control, though we'll see how it goes. Balancing out.

--Citizens were duped by fake news, but the citizenry adapts over time. Slowly, but, they do. It won't work forever.

--Trump got the margin of victory by those silent supporters, not the loud ones. And the silent majority is always easiest to sway. They won't stick with him for long.

 

Things will balance out. Meanwhile, yeah, it will suck, and not just for liberals mind you. Those of us who are aligned with a Republican Party who emphasizes individual freedoms and fiscal restraint are also disgusted by this man. But I do believe we will be OK in the end. Just need to hope for minimal damage in the meantime.

 

I hope you're right, but fear you're wrong.

 

And it's not just Trump doing this. He couldn't accomplish much without the support of his party, and they seem fully behind him.

[brett05]

It didn't change the point, though. Yeah, I goofed, but the comparison of the two administrations remained exactly the same. I see you cherry picked the data which was wrong, but ignored all the information that was correct and refuted every one of your bozo points.

You did not.

You put up unemployment stats which are corrupt instead of workforce employment as yet another example on how wrong you are.

Our last president ran debt higher than all Presidents before him combined sans a few bucks.

 

Yeah, not the same.

[brett05]

If you believe morality is necessary, it's only purpose should be to "police" our own actions.

 

If my moral code says that its wrong to eat meat, then I dont eat meat. But I shouldnt force you not to eat meat as well.

Please address that your moral code says brett05 is no longer needed.

[brett05]

NO, it's the question for YOU to answer if you're going to make judgments about what is and isn't moral! Haha come ON.

I did not bring up morality to this. I questioned the one that did bring it in. Come on now.

[brett05]

I linked it twice already earlier in the thread (and previously). In CO, when they provided free IUDs across the state, teen pregnancy fell by 42% and abortions fells by 40% statewide. Unmarried women without college degrees, aged 25 and under, saw pregnancy rates fall at a similar rate. This was based on a program, funded by a private grant, that impacted the entire state. The only variable that changed was the access to IUDs. Thus, in this example, free IUDs did correlate to both a lower teen pregnancy rate and a lower abortion rate.

Sorry, education has increased as well. And that's just a quick one. Sorry, I stand by my earlier statement.