Dick Allen Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 QUOTE (KagakuOtoko @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 02:07 PM) Can we really trust CNN though? It's amazing their fake news and the failing NYT reports have forced Jared Kushner to amend his security clearance forms several times. For some reason they reminded him of some meetings he totally forgot about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 02:04 PM) The number of people who attended the collusion meeting is now up to eight, with three still not identified. https://twitter.com/NickKristof/status/8859...src=twsrc%5Etfw And Agent Orange didn't know. OK. I think I heard it was 2 days after this meeting the DNC was hacked. Edited July 14, 2017 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Trump Jr.’s Russia meeting sure sounds like a Russian intelligence operation https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trum...m=.2ccd782cc83c It's ridiculous that kushner still has a security clearance at this point after lying repeatedly on his disclosure forms. He gets his get own version of the presidential daily briefing everyday and is privy to our nation's most closely held secrets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Good discussion on the "lie after lie after lie" between Shep Smith and Chris Wallace https://youtu.be/Q5LftyJmNtA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 8 days after meeting with Jr. The Russian attorney got a front row seat at a Foreign Affairs committee hearing from the husband of Trump's Florida campaign chair. It's all a coincidence. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/russian-law...ory?id=48661448 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/16/politics/tru...tter/index.html You would think Trump would be bored with going after HRC by now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I do think the playbook of mentioning Hillary every time there is a crisis is getting pretty old. If she is a criminal, charge her with something or STFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 10:34 AM) I do think the playbook of mentioning Hillary every time there is a crisis is getting pretty old. If she is a criminal, charge her with something or STFU. His entire playbook is 3 pages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 10:34 AM) I do think the playbook of mentioning Hillary every time there is a crisis is getting pretty old. If she is a criminal, charge her with something or STFU. The "me too" narrative works with the base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Only 45% of Trump voters believe that Donald Jr has a meeting with Russians, a thing he has publicly admitted to. https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/8870425...src=twsrc%5Etfw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 07:47 AM) Only 45% of Trump voters believe that Donald Jr has a meeting with Russians, a thing he has publicly admitted to. https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/8870425...src=twsrc%5Etfw I'd be curious to see what the question was. There's a difference IMO between people believing that Trump Jr. met with a Russian citizen versus "Russia" or an agent of Russia. Do we know if those Russians in the meeting were agents speaking on behalf of the Putin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:42 AM) I'd be curious to see what the question was. There's a difference IMO between people believing that Trump Jr. met with a Russian citizen versus "Russia" or an agent of Russia. Do we know if those Russians in the meeting were agents speaking on behalf of the Putin? The claim that they were probably got them the meeting. Now what was said in said meeting is anyone's guess. Considering how many times Jr. has already lied about it, I don't think we can take his version as gospel. And it was only a couple of days later the DNC did get hacked by Russia. I know, just more coincidence. None of these guys ever even met with Russians. Jared has only amended his security clearance forms 3 times. There is no reason he should continue to have access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 08:42 AM) I'd be curious to see what the question was. There's a difference IMO between people believing that Trump Jr. met with a Russian citizen versus "Russia" or an agent of Russia. Do we know if those Russians in the meeting were agents speaking on behalf of the Putin? Do you really think Putin would expose himself to that type of liability....you can implicitly intimate that the meeting has his blessing, without an explicit admission of his direct involvement. It's the way he and Trump are always covered and underlings can be sacrificed to take the follow and insulate the top dogs. Eventually, they'll have to pick a fall guy (would love it to be Kushner, but unlikely) and pardon most of the others. Everyone gets away without any consequences, that won't play in the media with how long this story has stretched...and it certainly will have legs into 2018 and the November elections. Dems get control of the House again, it will be even more fireworks. Edited July 18, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 When Flynn was sitting right next to Putin at an event, Putin claimed to have no idea who he was. OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 I have a feeling everything will be pinned on Manafort, Stone, Page...someone the admin no longer has any investment in, already fired/disgraced, etc. Flynn will be pardoned as an "American Hero/Patriot." Civilians, though....beware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Trump has gone from no contact whatsoever with Russia, fake news, to it's just politics. The guy who sold himself as a non politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:42 AM) I'd be curious to see what the question was. There's a difference IMO between people believing that Trump Jr. met with a Russian citizen versus "Russia" or an agent of Russia. Do we know if those Russians in the meeting were agents speaking on behalf of the Putin? Realistically speaking, with the way Russia operates you don't get people holding meetings like this without approval and knowledge, but that it a fair point regarding question phrasing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Tillerson shutting down war crimes department and considering shutting down cyber security department at State https://t.co/z67tHbNPhM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 lol, I like how I said "the Putin." But yeah, I mean 20% of Trump supporters aren't going to believe any news, so that doesn't surprise me. But I find it hard to believe that such a high percent don't believe something directly admitted by Trump Jr. There's gotta be some confusion on the question or what they mean by "Russia." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:46 AM) lol, I like how I said "the Putin." But yeah, I mean 20% of Trump supporters aren't going to believe any news, so that doesn't surprise me. But I find it hard to believe that such a high percent don't believe something directly admitted by Trump Jr. There's gotta be some confusion on the question or what they mean by "Russia." Based on the rest of the polling data I'm going to go with straight up reality denial. Thinking on it a bit more, the emails themselves show that the Russians were claiming to represent government efforts to aid Trump, so either way we still have Jr admitting to it. 77% of Trump voters think he should stay in office even if collusion is proven, and a plurality at 45% think Russia wanted Clinton to win vs 26% for Trump. They just live in a different reality and have information sources that deliberately lie and misinform in everything. Edited July 18, 2017 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Eighth person identified from Trump Jr meeting, a Russian real estate developer who's been contacted by Mueller's team. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/eig...5e83_story.html I don't think kushner's security clearance form has been updated to include all of these people he forgot about yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Watch Hannity for 10 minutes and you'll see why those people dont believe anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:38 AM) Watch Hannity for 10 minutes and you'll see why those people dont believe anything. Pass. The guy is a talking head, not a journalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/...975772083380226 Trump's old tweets are an absolute gold mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 All his tweets are fun. He makes a big play about repeal, and then hours later, it's as I have always said just let Obamacare fail. Uh, that's not always. But a lot of people buy him and his foreign made products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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