President Donald Trump: The Thread

[Dick Allen]

Trump re-tweeted someone calling him a fascist.

[StrangeSox]

Mike Godwin, inventor of "Godwin's Law"

 

[caulfield12]

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/confederate-statu...topstories.html

 

Confederate statue toppled in Durham, NC...more coming down in other Southern cities as well.

Edited August 15, 2017 by caulfield12

[LittleHurt05]

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/confederate-statu...topstories.html

 

Confederate statue toppled in Durham, NC...more coming down in other Southern cities as well.

 

Those are some of the dumbest kids I have ever seen. Kicking a bronze statue? You are just asking to never walk again.

[StrangeSox]

You're so evolved. I'm sure your significant other is some half wit with 6 fingers because "equality." Are we really ignoring the simple fact that people look at significant others and judge them on how they could potentially provide, earn and/or contribute as a parent.

 

what the f***

 

dude, social darwinism was a joke over a hundred years ago. biology simply doesn't work that way, and that's without getting into the f***ed up social implications of your "more money=genetically superior" mindset.

 

 

e: the ultimate irony is that your example of "genetic superiority" is someone born into generational wealth whose only personal successes appear to be selling crappy handbags on her family name.

Edited August 15, 2017 by StrangeSox

[pettie4sox]

I can't believe this is 2017.

 

Your gif avatar sums this up perfectly.

[pettie4sox]

You're so evolved. I'm sure your significant other is some half wit with 6 fingers because "equality." Are we really ignoring the simple fact that people look at significant others and judge them on how they could potentially provide, earn and/or contribute as a parent.

 

Some do for sure, but then you have people who end up with bonafide deadbeats.

[StrangeSox]

Aside from an attempted Lena Dunham burn being one of the saddest things I've ever seen on these forums, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to "spare" you. The implications of what you're trying to claim are pretty dire.

 

Genetics is a whole big mess of attributes. Whether a particular set of attributes that allows someone to succeed in the very specific time period and society and societal position they were born into is hard enough to pin down, let alone whether those attributes were genetic, something instilled in their upbringing by family/society/culture, some combination thereof, or even blind luck. Genetics and evolution work on timescales of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years, far shorter than anything we can derive from a few decades or even centuries of what sort of wealth a particular family line accumulates.

 

Even if we set aside the problems your viewpoint results in when you look at wealth distribution by various subpopulations, your own chosen example says that the daughter of a billionaire is likely to be genetically superior to some (presumably poor) person from Appalachia. What are you basing this on? What other 'insights' into genetic superiority do you wish to share? Have you considered what your idea that "more wealth=superior biologically" says given how disproportionately wealth is distributed on, say, racial categories?

 

[StrangeSox]

You just need to toughen up a little bit and live life with the understanding that not everyone lives in some progressive land like you. People judge others. Looks, earning power and other superficial factors play primary roles in who individuals decide to procreate with. Even with the problems in your viewpoint i think you'd be able to understand that.

 

Why people decide who their partners are is not the same claim you are making.

 

You claimed that Ivanka Trump is more likely to actually be genetically superior to some "25 year old from Appalachia." That's a claim about how things actually work biologically. On what do you base that? What do you think your viewpoint says about genetic superiority given disparities in wealth distributions?

 

[StrangeSox]

Of course. Nobody's guaranteed anything. Nature vs. nurture has to play its course. To act as if people don't consider these factors, not you necessarily, is kind of crazy.

 

Your claim wasn't "what people consider" but what is actually true biologically.

 

would you rather have her mother be someone like say, Ivanka Trump, or would you prefer her mother be some random 25-year-old woman in Appalachia? I think the former would lead to an offspring with a better genetic profile.

 

Why do you think this?

[StrangeSox]

Common sense.

So, absolutely nothing.

 

How about the second question? The view that wealthy people are genetically superior necessarily claims that poor people are more likely to be genetically inferior. Given that wealth is unevenly distributed between the different races, doesn't that imply that some races are genetically superior to others? If you're making claims about genetics, you're making claims about populations and not just individuals, remember.

Edited August 15, 2017 by StrangeSox

[StrangeSox]

Good thing I have you to clarify what I think for me. Move on.

 

I'm not clarifying anything. You explicitly stated that you think Ivanka Trump is more likely to have a better "genetic profile." That's not nearly the same as an uncontroversial claim that people consider wealth when choosing a partner.

[Dick Allen]

Good thing I have you to clarify what I think for me. Move on.

He didn't need to clarify what you think. You told us. LOL.

 

UOTE (raBBit @ Aug 14, 2017 -> 09:13 PM) *

would you rather have her mother be someone like say, Ivanka Trump, or would you prefer her mother be some random 25-year-old woman in Appalachia? I think the former would lead to an offspring with a better genetic profile.

Edited August 15, 2017 by Dick Allen

[Dick Allen]

Care to explain DA? I know it's popular to just bully and call names but it's a lilttle weird to call someone sexist in response to a post that wasn't about gender.

Well it was, because it isn't often men choose women based on bank accounts. Maybe you do, I don't know, but I've been around, have had many discussions about women over the years, a lot of I am not proud of, but money never came up.

 

I will say this, under your theory, my genetic profile really improved during my life. When I was born, my parents didn't have much, living in a one bedroom apt in Evanston. My dad was just starting out, so I must have been trailer trash. But now that he's retired and is worth a lot of money, I have golden genes.

Edited August 15, 2017 by Dick Allen

[StrangeSox]

They are both common sense statements. I don't know where you get your viewpoints skewed but very few people in the real world would take exception to either of those comments.

 

It's not a "common sense statement" to anyone who actually knows anything about genetics. You're just pulling things straight out of your ass right now, from the initial genetic claims to the "very few people in the real world" statements.

 

Have you thought about the implications of your thoughts on genetic superiority and how they apply to racial breakdowns? Do you realize that if your "common sense" claims are follow through, you're saying that on the whole black people are genetically inferior to white people because they aren't as wealthy?

 

 

edit: I'll just take your admission that you're not basing this on anything but "common sense" i.e. "decided to believe this without evidence" and move on, though!

 

edit2: "very few people" is just a dumb appeal to popularity, anyway! lots of people can be wrong about a thing, especially if they know nothing about genetics and instead just base their conclusions on gut feelings that happen to align with their pre-existing ideologies and viewpoints!

Edited August 15, 2017 by StrangeSox

[Dick Allen]

I never said that though. Why'd you delete your post?

Because I really didn't want to argue it, but that's fine.

 

 

I wonder what you would think about Ivanka if Trump was bankrupt and she had no plastic surgery. As far as I know, her genetic make up would be the same.

Edited August 15, 2017 by Dick Allen

[caulfield12]

Educational outcomes across all races are nearly identical when the parents have roughly the same educational and wealth/income controls set in place...or we can look at the cases of thousands of babies from different ethnic groups that have thrived after being placed for adoption with extremely successful/wealthy families of any race, creed or sexual orientation.

 

Heck, according to standardized test scores, Chinese are the best (smartest?) students in the world by about an average of 50-75 points on the SAT or PISA exams. But it has a lot more to do with working twice or three times as hard as white students as it has any correlation with genetics or this concept of superior/dominant races.

Edited August 15, 2017 by caulfield12

[pettie4sox]

Educational outcomes across all races are nearly identical when the parents have roughly the same educational and wealth/income controls set in place...or we can look at the cases of thousands of babies from different ethnic groups that have thrived after being placed for adoption with extremely successful/wealthy families of any race, creed or sexual orientation.

 

Heck, according to standardized test scores, Chinese are the best (smartest?) students in the world by about an average of 50-75 points on the SAT or PISA exams. But it has a lot more to do with working twice or three times as hard as white students as it has any correlation with genetics or this concept of superior/dominant races.

 

Intelligence has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with your environment.

[bmags]

Really, really nice pull of an original source here. Report in 1868 from commanding officer and veteran of civil war, who was a southerner who fought for union. He's giving a report on the states he is overseeing and discussing the violence and contempt hanging around post war.

 

This line was pulled by author:

“whereby the crime of treason might be covered with a counterfeit varnish of patriotism, so that the precipitators of rebellion might go down in history hand in hand with the defenders of the Government.”

 

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-ba...ted-immediately

 

Reconstruction is an incredibly poorly covered time in US history.

[GoSox05]

You just need to toughen up a little bit and live life with the understanding that not everyone lives in some progressive fantasy land like you. People judge others. Looks, earning power and other superficial factors play primary roles in who individuals decide to procreate with. Even with the problems in your viewpoint i think you'd be able to understand that.

 

I only asked my wife to marry me with the clear understanding that she would have good earning power.

[Dick Allen]

I only asked my wife to marry me with the clear understanding that she would have good earning power.

I hope you didn't forget to check out her parents' income in order to verify her genetics.

[LittleHurt05]

I only asked my wife to marry me with the clear understanding that she would have good earning power.

 

That's pretty common on a lot of dating websites.

[StrangeSox]

That's pretty common on a lot of dating websites.

 

How much money you earn (or are born into) doesn't say anything about your genetics, though.

[illinilaw08]

That's pretty common on a lot of dating websites.

 

Therefore, as stated by Rabbit earlier, wealth is genetic!

[StrangeSox]

Therefore, as stated by Rabbit earlier, wealth is genetic!

 

check out the genetic fitness of this wealthy fellow!