President Donald Trump: The Thread

[Steve9347]

I am going to get back to work after this and don't take it personal but I have to defend myself after I just took all your s*** the other day. It's amazing you guys were taking shots at my credibility the other day and follow that up with some of the stuff you have. Steve saying a Republican president might get impeached with a republican house and senate in place after what? five days in office? Soxbadger saying Trump, the holder of the most powerful position in the world and a billionaire, is "never going to make it" in this world? He can't "make it" any more! I mean c'mon. Trump's a total goofball and I don't like him either but you guys just group attack any counterpoint to the "world is ending" echo chamber the filibuster has become. IE, don't let your hatred for Trump delude you from reason and acceptable discourse.

Not the worst point so I won't s*** on this. I'm just looking for a quick escape.

[southsider2k5]

He simply wouldn't admit to losing at anything.

 

In a situation where someone else controlled his fate? He absolutely would quit sooner than let someone else beat him. For example if it ever did get to the point where he could be beaten in impeachment, he would quit first, or at least I think so.

[CrimsonWeltall]

In a situation where someone else controlled his fate? He absolutely would quit sooner than let someone else beat him. For example if it ever did get to the point where he could be beaten in impeachment, he would quit first, or at least I think so.

 

I don't think he'd quit even if he were impeached and facing expulsion from office. He'd claim the process was crooked. Look at all these establishment politicians ganging up on him!

 

"If both sides of the aisle hate him, he must be doing something right"

[southsider2k5]

I don't think he'd quit even if he were impeached and facing expulsion from office. He'd claim the process was crooked. Look at all these establishment politicians ganging up on him!

 

"If both sides of the aisle hate him, he must be doing something right"

 

Yeah, it is pretty easy to make that argument pretty convincingly too. Part of me just thinks he wouldn't want to give them the satisfaction of "winning".

[bmags]

Yeah, it is pretty easy to make that argument pretty convincingly too. Part of me just thinks he wouldn't want to give them the satisfaction of "winning".

 

For what it would take to actually convince a bunch of house republicans to impeach Trump would mean Trumps approvals would have to be below 15% i.e. worse than Nixon's. For that to happen, he will have needed to be in an insane obvious and self made scandal.

 

Mere incompetence will not be enough.

[southsider2k5]

For what it would take to actually convince a bunch of house republicans to impeach Trump would mean Trumps approvals would have to be below 15% i.e. worse than Nixon's. For that to happen, he will have needed to be in an insane obvious and self made scandal.

 

Mere incompetence will not be enough.

 

I have a feeling there will be plenty to impeach him for. More than there ever was for Bill Clinton.

[bmags]

I have a feeling there will be plenty to impeach him for. More than there ever was for Bill Clinton.

 

He already has been caught on tape talking about trying to have sex with a married women and grabbing women without consent, then accused of 15+ cases of doing actually that, had a staffer get briefcases of cash while lobbying for a dictator, has an illegal charity foundation, hasn't paid taxes in 15 years, has been getting flooded with foreign donations, has not released his taxes, has multiple conflicts of interest that he not put at arms length. He's also using an unsecure blackberry for white house communications and was calling foreign leaders on non-secure lines while president elect.

 

 

How many House Republicans are acting against any of that? None. That's a big list up there with some more important and more vetted than others, but there would have been 20 investigations at once for 8 years by Chaffetz if that was a dem.

[Soxbadger]

I am going to get back to work after this and don't take it personal but I have to defend myself after I just took all your s*** the other day. It's amazing you guys were taking shots at my credibility the other day and follow that up with some of the stuff you have. Steve saying a Republican president might get impeached with a republican house and senate in place after what? five days in office? Soxbadger saying Trump, the holder of the most powerful position in the world and a billionaire, is "never going to make it" in this world? He can't "make it" any more! I mean c'mon. Trump's a total goofball and I don't like him either but you guys just group attack any counterpoint to the "world is ending" echo chamber the filibuster has become. IE, don't let your hatred for Trump delude you from reason and acceptable discourse.

 

Rabbit,

 

If you are going to quote me, do me the courtesy of actually quoting. I believe that the comment was about the "real world." I have tried to find the original post to give it context, but it is taking too long.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/201...mp-have-indexed

 

Trump has never lived a day in "real world". Trump inherited millions of dollars that his father made. Some economists believe that if Trump had simply "invested" the money his father gave him, he would be worth more money than he is today.

 

Some have said that Trump only got into Wharton as a favor.

 

http://www.thedp.com/article/2015/08/donal...rton-classmates

 

Another biographer, Gwenda Blair, wrote in 2001 that Trump was admitted to Wharton on a special favor from a “friendly” admissions officer. The officer had known Trump’s older brother, Freddy.

 

This is not the life of someone in the real world. And of all people, I thought you, someone who has made posts about "trust" funds and who has commented on the "fairness" of affirmative action, would understand why starting life with millions of dollars and being given personal favors is not the "real world."

 

But maybe it is, I dont really know, and I dont know why my personal opinion of whether Trump has done good/bad with the fortune that was given to is material to whether Trump is a good president. But hey, if you think that someone who inherits millions and gets special favors/access has it as hard as you, I am cool with that.

 

(edit)

 

And I dont think expressing my opinion clouds my ability to have reasonable discourse. I have brought up tens if not hundreds of reasonable discussions, just no one wants to have them. They would rather spend 10 pages arguing about what does "win" or "lose" mean. They want to argue about whether an article about "foreign aid" applies to the us.

 

Pick a topic to have a reasonable discourse on and Ill gladly discourse all day long. But Id say 90% of the time I bring up things like "Free trade", "Immigration", "balancing the budget", "fiscal responsibility"those posts go completed ignored/unanswered.

 

It takes two to have discourse, and Im still waiting.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Soxbadger

[StrangeSox]

Yep.

[Quin]

What?

 

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/824712911511756805

 

NEWS: @PressSec tells pool that Trump intends to pay for wall by imposing a 20 percent tax on all imports from Mexico.

 

So now we are paying for it?

 

My grocery store is f***ed.

[Balta1701]

My grocery store is f***ed.

To be fair, the value of the peso has already dropped by more than 20% since his election and will drop further once the US Pulls out of NAFTA to do this. That pushes the opposite direction.

[Balta1701]

He already has been caught on tape talking about trying to have sex with a married women and grabbing women without consent, then accused of 15+ cases of doing actually that, had a staffer get briefcases of cash while lobbying for a dictator, has an illegal charity foundation, hasn't paid taxes in 15 years, has been getting flooded with foreign donations, has not released his taxes, has multiple conflicts of interest that he not put at arms length. He's also using an unsecure blackberry for white house communications and was calling foreign leaders on non-secure lines while president elect.

 

 

How many House Republicans are acting against any of that? None. That's a big list up there with some more important and more vetted than others, but there would have been 20 investigations at once for 8 years by Chaffetz if that was a dem.

Every time people bring up the idea of the Republican Congress impeaching him, they seem to forget that the same Confederate Flag flying voters who came to his rally are the base of that Republican Congress. They lose their seats...all of them...if Donald Trump's core voters do not turn out. That is the Tea Party. Donald Trump's Rhetoric is what they want.

[brett05]

This same delusional mindset now runs our country.

Yes call what you have no idea on delusional. The only bigoted folks seems to be libs.

[Soxbadger]

What?

 

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/824712911511756805

 

NEWS: @PressSec tells pool that Trump intends to pay for wall by imposing a 20 percent tax on all imports from Mexico.

 

So now we are paying for it?

 

I have been posting about why tariffs/trade barriers hurt the US for months now, but unfortunately not much "discourse" on the subject.

[NorthSideSox72]

Oh man, I missed all the fun with ban hammered!

 

Thoughts on the new Wall tax? I thought Mexico was going to pay for it.

 

Haha, as if he'd have an answer for that.

 

 

[bmags]

To be fair, the value of the peso has already dropped by more than 20% since his election and will drop further once the US Pulls out of NAFTA to do this. That pushes the opposite direction.

 

Regardless, the punishment will be on Americans in the grocery store. So much produce comes from Mexico, remember the poster that claimed inflation was actually rampant because oreos are smaller? This will be much more real shock to the average us consumer.

[BigSqwert]

They should just initiate a kickstarter and have all of his supporters fund his wall.

[southsider2k5]

Regardless, the punishment will be on Americans in the grocery store. So much produce comes from Mexico, remember the poster that claimed inflation was actually rampant because oreos are smaller? This will be much more real shock to the average us consumer.

 

Autos will be a huge one as well.

[Soxbadger]

Autos will be a huge one as well.

 

The problem with trade wars is prices go up for everyone, unless the govt subsidizes. There is simply no way, given our current laws, that a product made in the US can be cheaper than a product made in Mexico, China, etc. The only way to do it would be to lower wages significantly below the current minimum wage.

 

(edit cause sentence made no sense)

Edited January 26, 2017 by Soxbadger

[Panerista]

Autos will be a huge one as well.

GM and Toyota are in big trouble. Ford and Honda will have a big advantage in this situation.

[bigruss]

GM and Toyota are in big trouble. Ford and Honda will have a big advantage in this situation.

Ford has a ton of production in Mexico still, most of their small car production either is there or will be there.

 

[The Beast]

By the way, all the marching and yelling is good, but if you want to get the most bang for your buck, it's three simple things:

 

1. Get involved in community organzations

2. Vote

3. RUN FOR OFFICE

 

I mean, look at the candidates being run out there. Look at the 2016 Illinois House and Senate races - in half of them, someone ran unopposed. Seriously - in a state that is the massive fiscal disaster that Illinois is, neither party can find enough candidates to run for the f***ing Congressional seats!

If I wanted to move to Mike Madigan's precinct and run against him, how long would I have to live there? Do people in his precinct actually think he's doing a good job and vote him in or is there poor turnout?

[Soxbadger]

If I wanted to move to Mike Madigan's precinct and run against him, how long would I have to live there? Do people in his precinct actually think he's doing a good job and vote him in or is there poor turnout?

 

If you really want to win, pick somewhere that does not have an incumbent. Trying to beat Madigan would be a really tough task, he likely has a huge war chest.

[Balta1701]

GM and Toyota are in big trouble. Ford and Honda will have a big advantage in this situation.

 

 

Ford has a ton of production in Mexico still, most of their small car production either is there or will be there.

Again, you guys have missed this:

 

That's the exchange rate for the Mexican Peso to the U.S. Dollar over the last 90 days. Due to Trump, the Peso has fallen by just under 20%. That means right now it costs 20% less to make a car in Mexico than it did last October, give or take. If you raised a 20% tariff, that would push car manufacturing costs back to - basically exactly where they were in October.

 

The problem is that the more you do this, the more you launch a trade war with Mexico, the more the peso would fall. That doesn't give US manufacturers an advantage - rather it's the opposite. You keep needing higher and higher tariffs to make up for the dropoff in the currency.

 

Right now, it is 20% cheaper to build a car in Mexico than it was in October due entirely to currency markets. That is the major story here. I believe former Harvard President Summers described it as a "dagger pointed at Ohio" a few weeks ago. Anyone who manufactures cars in Mexico is doing just fine now and a tariff won't change that, because the currency markets will fight back.

[caulfield12]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/eco...m=.c2fde77cd4ec

 

In these six smaller American towns, laws targeting "the illegals" didn't go as well as planned (and backfired in most cases)