bmags Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 On one hand, white supremacists and neo nazis marched on a virginia town culminating in counterprotestors being run down by a car. On the other, someone somewhere you can't name said to blow up mount rushmore. It's the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 (edited) Lincoln was in Chicago, but let's see who did it first. Otherwise - sources? Because the same amount of lunacy on the right actually catches fire and does s*** like run-over people. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9kkkby/l...-mount-rushmore intially titled "blow up", changed for obvious reasons after the fact. http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainmen...0817-story.html winner of two silver stars on our side http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/08/16/jac...s-slave-owners/ rename Washington and Jackson park http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/15/politics/lin...ized/index.html Lincoln Memorial vandalized https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/201..._come_down.html tear down Washington Monument, Jefferson Memorial ... I'm failing to see the difference between this and the ISIS destruction of Palmyra. Obviously one happened in a war, but the core principle of destroying history to better suit an ideological/political history is disturbing. Edited August 18, 2017 by Alexeihyeess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 On one hand, white supremacists and neo nazis marched on a virginia town culminating in counterprotestors being run down by a car. On the other, someone somewhere you can't name said to blow up mount rushmore. It's the same. So anyone who is uncomfortable with tearing down hundreds of years of history is neo Nazi and/or white supremacist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 10:51 AM) So anyone who is uncomfortable with tearing down hundreds of years of history is neo Nazi and/or white supremacist? So expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 11:51 AM) So anyone who is uncomfortable with tearing down hundreds of years of history is neo Nazi and/or white supremacist? Hundreds of years? Most statues were built from 1920-60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 10:34 AM) So now there's a call to "blow up" Mt Rushmore, rename Balbo Dr. and a Lincoln (!!!) statue was vandalized. Hasn't even been a week and the left has taken almost universal public sympathy and ruined it by going insane with nonsense. Trump won Charlottesville. Bannon was right. Its crazy how the opposition cannot get out of its own way to get the guy out of office. Literally none of that is accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 11:02 AM) Hundreds of years? Most statues were built from 1920-60. And the only statues have been traitors who fought against the US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Gotta love these guys becoming unhinged. They sense the walls closing in, I don't blame them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 03:51 PM) So anyone who is uncomfortable with tearing down hundreds of years of history is neo Nazi and/or white supremacist? Is there a good reason to honor the fight FOR slavery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I actually find Balbo to be a fairly interesting conversation. Unlike most confederate statues, it is largely marking an actual historic moment. These were commemorating the worlds fair trans atlantic flights. But, they were also intended to honor Italian Americans showing off the contribution of Italians to the world. There is also the parallels to Lindbergh and Balbo. "Luckily" for lindbergh, his flight exploits have managed to outshine his disgraceful turn to fascism around WWII, largely due to the lack of power he actually accumulated and America winning soundly. Balbo was an actual blackshirt with power. And that part of his story, in my experience, outshines his flights. But Lindbergh was also American. His contributions were legitimate to building this country. We can't say same for Balbo. If Italian community in Chicago really wanted to keep it I'd be open to hearing that argument. But it screams to me of something more apt for a plaque at the spot and a museum. But it has a more legitimate case to standing as a historical marker than the confederate statues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainmen...0817-story.html Excellent article. And you'll not a theme that runs across these statues, the idea that they were never controversial is false. And honestly, I'd love to see an artist repurpose it in the name of Chicago WWII veterans who had to go and fight Balbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Is there a good reason to honor the fight FOR slavery? World War 1 was over slavery? News to me. Anyways, Balbo was on our side in that one. He actually never fought in WW2, his plane was shot down by Italian anti aircraft guns in Libya after Balbo spent years pleasing with Mussolini to side with the UK instead of Nazi Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainmen...0817-story.html Excellent article. And you'll not a theme that runs across these statues, the idea that they were never controversial is false. And honestly, I'd love to see an artist repurpose it in the name of Chicago WWII veterans who had to go and fight Balbo. Balbo died before the USA entered the war. He fought with the Americans in WW1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 At least Google the guy before you disgrace him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 11:28 AM) Balbo died before the USA entered the war. He fought with the Americans in WW1. Correct, that was false to say, but the point is US went to war with Italy to which he was very much a part of the cause of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Correct, that was false to say, but the point is US went to war with Italy to which he was very much a part of the cause of that. And the US went to war with Italy and was a certifiable war hero in that one! I think you need to fess up that you heard there was debate about this monument and you reflexively took the -anti. Balbo is not a controversial figure, and fascist Italy was quite different than Nazi Germany and even Franco's Spain. Balbo is not guilty-by-association of Germany's atrocities in the 30's and 40's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 God that article is trash. The quote about the proximity of the Balbo monument and Gold Star memorial creating an association between American police and European fascists is...well...it's why voting Democrat these days feels like a chore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 11:37 AM) And the US went to war with Italy and was a certifiable war hero in that one! I think you need to fess up that you heard there was debate about this monument and you reflexively took the -anti. Balbo is not a controversial figure, and fascist Italy was quite different than Nazi Germany and even Franco's Spain. Balbo is not guilty-by-association of Germany's atrocities in the 30's and 40's. That doesn't follow, the US ended up going to war WITH the USSR, it wouldn't wash Stalin of criticism. "Not as bad as Hitlers Germany" isn't really the standard for deflecting criticism. The effect it wasn't as bad as Francos Spain was likely due to time. But Fascist Italy not that bad, go ahead, prove that for me. I can already guess it's going to largely be absent of it's African campaigns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 That doesn't follow, the US ended up going to war WITH the USSR, it wouldn't wash Stalin of criticism. "Not as bad as Hitlers Germany" isn't really the standard for deflecting criticism. The effect it wasn't as bad as Francos Spain was likely due to time. But Fascist Italy not that bad, go ahead, prove that for me. I can already guess it's going to largely be absent of it's African campaigns. He had nothing to do with Hitler's Germany. He begged his party to side with the UK instead of Hitler, and not long after when the North Africa campaign was just about to heat up his plane was shot down, perhaps by friendly fiire. Rotten political institutions are capable of housing decent, if not heroic, people. People who work within bad regimes to do the right thing deserve our respect and admiration even if their association with those regimes isnt acceptable today. The Confederate statues are one thing, this is another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 (edited) Bannon is out. That's a start, and probably what he wanted. Edited August 18, 2017 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 12:01 PM) Bannon is out. That's good news. I know there were rumors, but I was worried he took power again with all of Trump's white supremacy comments this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Brietbart is about to set the house on fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 11:55 AM) He had nothing to do with Hitler's Germany. He begged his party to side with the UK instead of Hitler, and not long after when the North Africa campaign was just about to heat up his plane was shot down, perhaps by friendly fiire. Rotten political institutions are capable of housing decent, if not heroic, people. People who work within bad regimes to do the right thing deserve our respect and admiration even if their association with those regimes isnt acceptable today. The Confederate statues are one thing, this is another. Balbo was a fascist. They should take his monument and drop it to the bottom of the lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 01:01 PM) Bannon is out. That's a start, and probably what he wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 04:26 PM) World War 1 was over slavery? News to me. Anyways, Balbo was on our side in that one. He actually never fought in WW2, his plane was shot down by Italian anti aircraft guns in Libya after Balbo spent years pleasing with Mussolini to side with the UK instead of Nazi Germany. You knew I was talking about Confederate monuments, so why play dumb? Is there is a good reason to honor the fight for slavery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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