southsider2k5 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 02:50 PM) He's also very racist and has implemented racist policy and put other racists into positions of power. It doesn't stop there unless you just want to ignore racism. Trump can be both extremely self-centered/narcissistic and also racist, and both of those factors can play an important role. He kicked off his campaign with slurs against Mexicans and later his "ban all Muslims"/dancing in the streets on 9/11 nonsense, and neither of those were the result of personal slights. e: soxbadger might still be right in that politically, the best way to bring down trump is through some other angles, but that doesn't make the underlying issues go away SB is right in the fact that "racism" has been watered down to the point where it means nothing to the general populous anymore, and it is fairly useless politically from one party to the other. It is used so often, it has lost all meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) Trump offered a grieving military father $25,000 in a call, but didn’t follow through President Trump, in a personal phone call to a grieving military father, offered him $25,000 and said he would direct his staff to establish an online fundraiser for the family, but neither happened, the father said. Trump said this week that he has “called every family of somebody that’s died, and it’s the hardest call to make.” At least 20 Americans have been killed in action since he became commander in chief in January. The Washington Post interviewed the families of 13 and found that his interactions with them vary. About half had received phone calls, they said. The others said they had not heard from the president. “He said, ‘I’m going to write you a check out of my personal account for $25,000,’ and I was just floored,” Baldridge said. “I could not believe he was saying that, and I wish I had it recorded because the man did say this. He said, ‘No other president has ever done something like this,’ but he said, ‘I’m going to do it.’ “ Baldridge said that after the president made his $25,000 offer, he joked with Trump that he would bail him out if he got arrested for helping. The White House has done nothing else other than send a condolence letter from Trump, the father said. “I opened it up and read it, and I was hoping to see a check in there, to be honest,” the father said. “I know it was kind of far-fetched thinking. But I was like, ‘Damn, no check.’ Just a letter saying ‘I’m sorry.’ “ Euvince Brooks’s son, Sgt. Roshain E. Brooks, 30, was killed Aug. 13 in Iraq. He has not heard from the White House. The president’s claim this week that he had called every military family to lose a son or daughter only upset the Brooks family more. Brooks said that after watching the news on Tuesday night he wanted to set up a Twitter account to try and get the President’s attention. “I said to my daughter, ‘Can you teach me to tweet, so I can tweet at the president and tell him he’s a liar?’” he said. “You know when you hear people lying, and you want to fight? That’s the way I feel last night. He’s a damn liar.” eta: shockingly, it turns out that "only President to do this" isn't even true: Obama Has Written Personal Checks To Struggling Americans. Edited October 18, 2017 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 02:01 PM) SB is right in the fact that "racism" has been watered down to the point where it means nothing to the general populous anymore, and it is fairly useless politically from one party to the other. It is used so often, it has lost all meaning. So because - in your mind - the term racism has been used to often, it should never be used? Racial issues solved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 01:47 PM) That is where this all should have stopped. The rest of it is a waste of time. The man is an insecure idiot who goes after whoever and whatever he thinks will either benefit him, or who comes at him. The rest of it is only a "waste of time" if you aren't impacted negatively by, or have benefited from, racist policies in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 03:04 PM) Trump offered a grieving military father $25,000 in a call, but didn’t follow through Trump thought of it as charity. Can pledge a lot, just doesn't have the time to follow it up. eta: shockingly, it turns out that "only President to do this" isn't even true: Obama Has Written Personal Checks To Struggling Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 From WaPo Story Etienne Murphy: No call to family (pictured below) Cameron Thomas: Family received call (pictured below) La David Johnson: No call to family until pressured; f***ed it up (pictured below) Dillon Baldridge: Family received call; offered 25K (pictured below) Roshain Brooks; No call to family (pictured below) Weston Lee: Family received call (pictured below) NOTE: Aaron Butler (white) didn't receive a call from Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Don't forget the Khan family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 03:18 PM) The rest of it is only a "waste of time" if you aren't impacted negatively by, or have benefited from, racist policies in the past. And there you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 02:55 PM) And there you go. Is discussing racial issues a waste of time? Your posts today sure appear to take that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 04:01 PM) Is discussing racial issues a waste of time? Your posts today sure appear to take that position. The dog whistle has sounded. This is what fake news is to the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 03:21 PM) The dog whistle has sounded. This is what fake news is to the right. I don't understand this response... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 I dont understand the concept of "dog whistle" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Ten months into his Presidency and I'm still waiting to see Trump's 30-day plan to defeat ISIS. Did I somehow miss the big reveal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 04:44 PM) Ten months into his Presidency and I'm still waiting to see Trump's 30-day plan to defeat ISIS. Did I somehow miss the big reveal? Or the name of the Chicago motorcycle cop who can stop the shooting in a month, week or day depending on who Trump was telling the story. He said he sent the name to Rahm but Rahm doesn't have it yet. It probably is in the same batch of mail the condolence letters to the families of the soldiers in Niger, and his $25k check are being sent. Fake news fake news. Every damn day the right tries to come up with a gotcha against the press. Yet they take no issue with the lies and other garbage coming out of their boy's mouth at record pace. The guy spoke at an anti gay convention. It barely even registered. Edited October 18, 2017 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 05:14 PM) Via CNN, he sent the check today, after media pressure. It would be hilarious if it bounced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 05:14 PM) Via CNN, he sent the check today, after media pressure. The soldier in question died back in June and Trump would have talked to the father in July or early August Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 03:17 PM) It would be hilarious if it bounced. It's probably a check from his charity. He would never personally spend his own money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 03:12 PM) Or the name of the Chicago motorcycle cop who can stop the shooting in a month, week or day depending on who Trump was telling the story. He said he sent the name to Rahm but Rahm doesn't have it yet. It probably is in the same batch of mail the condolence letters to the families of the soldiers in Niger, and his $25k check are being sent. Fake news fake news. Every damn day the right tries to come up with a gotcha against the press. Yet they take no issue with the lies and other garbage coming out of their boy's mouth at record pace. The guy spoke at an anti gay convention. It barely even registered. I'm sure he's just waiting to get around to all of those things. He's been so busy with that IRS audit. Once that's over and he releases his taxes, as promised, he'll get around to those his other promises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 QUOTE (raBBit @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 05:59 PM) You realize they liberated Raqqa this week right? Yeah, he's great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (raBBit @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 03:59 PM) You realize they liberated Raqqa this week right? I must have missed the press conference where he walked back his claim of defeating ISIS entirely, within a month, and replacing it with a promise to one day win back one town. Edited October 18, 2017 by BigSqwert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 06:03 PM) I must have missed the press conference where he walked back his claim of defeating ISIS entirely, within a month, and replacing it with a promise to one day win back one town. The Raqqa campaign began shortly before the election last year so it definitely isn't a Trump era plan from the man who claimed to be smarter than all of the generals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 18, 2017 -> 06:56 PM) The Raqqa campaign began shortly before the election last year so it definitely isn't a Trump era plan from the man who claimed to be smarter than all of the generals. Yes I read it was basically the same as when Obama was in office except a little less micromanaged which caused more civilian casualties. He didn't want anyone to know his plan. They would steal it and get full credit for its genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) According to his aides, it was disgusting thing the press did shaming Trump to do what he said he would do. It's funny the fake news had to get him to donate to charity during the campaign. Had to point out things his people forgot on their security clearance forms, and had to remind him about this check. I am still amazed anyone sticks up for this guy. Also the WH says John Kelly hates how his son's death has been politicized. I think they are forgetting who politicized it. Edited October 19, 2017 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Every morning Trump live tweets Fox and Friends. That’s the type of guy we have running our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 19, 2017 -> 07:44 AM) Every morning Trump live tweets Fox and Friends. That’s the type of guy we have running our country. The FBI is working with the Russians now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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