StrangeSox Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 10, 2017 -> 08:48 PM) Here's his polling aggregate, slightly improved since the Muslim ban. This is who our country is. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fed...efe5_story.html ICE agents had raided homes, and were "not just detaining individuals they are looking for ... but in fact, taking anyone else in the community, or in these homes who does not have immigration status at the moment, or who is not able to prove citizenship," Barrientos said. In some cities, activists said that ICE had set up roadside or neighborhood checkpoints, where ICE agents, often in unmarked cars, appeared to be asking people at random for proof of citizenship or identification . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) https://www.yahoo.com/news/hundreds-immigra...-023405919.html Apparently they're now broadening to traffic misdemeanors, a category excepted by Obama. Around 700-800 arrested in four major cities, including Chicago. My edit: But most of them were on the Obama list already! Wait, I thought Obama was soft on borders and only cared about creating unconstitutional sanctuary cities? https://www.yahoo.com/news/homeland-securit...-185032131.html "At the meeting with law enforcement officials, San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore sought help for legal authority to hold criminals in the country illegally after they finish their sentences, giving ICE authorities more time to pick them up at county jails. General Kelly said he didn't know if that was possible but would do so if he could." What?...it would help if he figured out what sanctuary cities were first. Edited February 11, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 10, 2017 -> 07:33 PM) Please people, stop thinking Trump's Voters will find something bad about this. This is EXACTLY what they wanted. No, Demanded. For years. This is the dream of the Republican base. Well kind of. Some of the voters just wanted something different to help them out in some miraculous way like that town in Wisconsin. The base you are referring to think the most incompetent executive branch, maybe in history, is the best ever. Mostly because they've wanted someone in that position who is as racist as they are. Or who are as scared as they are. But they are slowly finding out that their desires financially aren't quite as aligned with the administration as was promised during the campaign. And that part is going to suck for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 11, 2017 -> 07:15 AM) Well kind of. Some of the voters just wanted something different to help them out in some miraculous way like that town in Wisconsin. The base you are referring to think the most incompetent executive branch, maybe in history, is the best ever. Mostly because they've wanted someone in that position who is as racist as they are. Or who are as scared as they are. But they are slowly finding out that their desires financially aren't quite as aligned with the administration as was promised during the campaign. And that part is going to suck for them. Yes. No need to worry about his voters in the red states. Just in the states Kellyanne can't stop mentioning. Once the coal miners and factory workers realize Trump can't turn back time, they won't tolerate the rest of his crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 11, 2017 -> 07:15 AM) Well kind of. Some of the voters just wanted something different to help them out in some miraculous way like that town in Wisconsin. The base you are referring to think the most incompetent executive branch, maybe in history, is the best ever. Mostly because they've wanted someone in that position who is as racist as they are. Or who are as scared as they are. But they are slowly finding out that their desires financially aren't quite as aligned with the administration as was promised during the campaign. And that part is going to suck for them. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationw...0207-story.html The immigration ban has already cost the airline/travel industry $185 million. The quote from that WI story that really stuck out, "Kramer, who voted twice for Obama, used to watch Trump on "Celebrity Apprentice." ''I said to myself, 'Ugh, I can't stand him.'" When he announced his candidacy, she thought it was a joke. "Then my husband said to me, 'Just think, everything he touches seems to turn to money.'" And she changed her mind. Those rural voters all believe wages can rise 25% for the poor and lower middle class, Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid will be protected, health care coverage will remain the same in terms of quality without increasing in price....well, we all know the numbers don't add up to continue expanding the Dept. of Defense/military, construct a border wall and add $1 trillion in infrastructure jobs even through private funding (tolls, bond issues, etc.) Something has to give. It's not going to be the top 1%, that much is clear. What was it, something like 64% of the ObamaCare sign-ups in the final month came from Trump states? They'll find out what life under Price and Ryan is like soon enough. Edited February 11, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 The people that want illegals to leave so they can get work don't want to actually do those jobs. That's part of the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 The guy who has avoided paying taxes his entire life and defrauded so many with his so-called "university" somehow isn't the illegal. The hard working people who would love to be able to pay taxes and participate in our society are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 11, 2017 -> 08:15 AM) Well kind of. Some of the voters just wanted something different to help them out in some miraculous way like that town in Wisconsin. The base you are referring to think the most incompetent executive branch, maybe in history, is the best ever. Mostly because they've wanted someone in that position who is as racist as they are. Or who are as scared as they are. But they are slowly finding out that their desires financially aren't quite as aligned with the administration as was promised during the campaign. And that part is going to suck for them. There's a reason why so many Republicans refer to them as "illegals". You don't have to acknowledge that someone is even human if they're illegal. If they're an illegal, they deserve to be rounded up. That is what their party has sold from the highest levels for basically my lifetime - it goes away every now and again and then comes storming back. Those voters don't care if things done at the top level hurt them...as long as they hurt the illegals more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) Not to mention that all available evidence points to his wife violating US immigration laws by working illegally as a model/"escort" while in NYC on a tourist visa. We also still have no idea how she ended up an American citizen in any legitimate type of way. That consular officer case file would make for an interesting read. Conway isn't the real ethics scandal in admin http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/opinions/kel...cupp/index.html When President Trump questioned the authority of a "so-called" federal judge on Twitter, where were separate powers enthusiasts in the Republican House and Senate to defend his legitimacy? Nowhere. Are any Republicans concerned that Trump's national security adviser may have violated the Logan Act when he reportedly discussed sanctions with the Russian ambassador to the United States, because Trump was elected (sworn in)? Will any Republicans say they mind that the President and his spokespeople regularly mislead or lie to the public about matters large and small on national television? If Obama had called a raid in which a US soldier was killed (along with scores of civilians) a "winning mission" and then scolded an actual war hero who questioned it, Republicans would have launched one of three dozen investigations. In fact, switch Obama for Trump in any one of these scenarios and Republicans would be calling the first few weeks of his presidency a zombie apocalypse. Instead, they seem content to whistle past the pile of corpses, pretending not to notice. http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/11/politics/don...lems/index.html In another early executive action, Trump signed an order seeking to "ensure that jurisdictions that fail to comply with applicable Federal law do not receive Federal funds, except as mandated by law." Delivered days before the travel ban, this too set off an avalanche of protest, both in the streets and among mostly Democratic leaders in major urban centers like New York, Chicago and Los Angeles. Smaller cities like New Haven, Connecticut, and Austin, Texas, have also threatened to fight back in court. And in an ironic twist, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti (among others) pointed to a 2012 Supreme Court case to explain why they're so confident. The ruling in NFIB vs. Sebelius, which allowed states to reject Medicaid expansion without the threat of losing pre-existing funds, set a precedent Trump's opponents say will prevent him from using federal money as a tool to coerce local governments. Edited February 12, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Stephen miller is scary. All these Trump people speak like they are programmed zombies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Trump discussed matters of national security regarding North Korea this weekend in front of civilians at Mar A Lago. Must be more of these great things Brett was talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 There will be some good commercials on Fox News this morning for Trump to see, courtesy of Jon Oliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 06:29 AM) Trump discussed matters of national security regarding North Korea this weekend in front of civilians at Mar A Lago. Must be more of these great things Brett was talking about While I will generally push back against the "save your energy for the important things" takes, this is one of those things that should really be taken seriously and pushed back on in a sustained and universal way. But I think this one requires universal dem official action vs. organic/grassroots stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 04:29 AM) Drumpf discussed matters of national security regarding North Korea this weekend in front of civilians at Mar A Lago. Must be more of these great things Brett was talking about QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 08:35 AM) While I will generally push back against the "save your energy for the important things" takes, this is one of those things that should really be taken seriously and pushed back on in a sustained and universal way. But I think this one requires universal dem official action vs. organic/grassroots stuff. Well at least he didn't share this confidential information over a private email server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 10:35 AM) While I will generally push back against the "save your energy for the important things" takes, this is one of those things that should really be taken seriously and pushed back on in a sustained and universal way. But I think this one requires universal dem official action vs. organic/grassroots stuff. Nah its normal for the President to shill for his business. I mean its completely normal for a President to introduce a foreign dignitary to a bride because "she has paid a fortune" to his club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Trump settled his Trump U fraud case for $25 million. Something he said he would never do. Of course he said he doesn't have time now to engage in a long court case in which he clearly would win. A POTUS settling a fraud case. Crooked Donald. Are we sick of winning yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Stephen Miller did say yesterday Trump has accomplished more in 3 weeks that many Presidents have accomplished their entire term. They are nuts in the WH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 11:17 AM) Stephen Miller did say yesterday Trump has accomplished more in 3 weeks that many Presidents have accomplished their entire term. They are nuts in the WH. Stephen Miller’s authoritarian declaration: Trump’s national security actions ‘will not be questioned’ Senior White House policy adviser Stephen Miller made the rounds on the Sunday talk shows over the weekend, and his comments about voter fraud have earned him justifiably dim reviews. The Washington Post's Philip Bump and Fact Checker Glenn Kessler dealt with those claims in depth. But amid all the baseless and false statements about electoral integrity, Miller did something even more controversial: He expanded upon his boss's views of whether judges are allowed to question President Trump's authority. And at one point, Miller even said Trump's national security decisions "will not be questioned." Here's the key exchange, with "Face the Nation's" John Dickerson (emphasis added): DICKERSON: When I talked to Republicans on the Hill, they wonder, what in the White House -- what have you all learned from this experience with the executive order? MILLER: Well, I think that it's been an important reminder to all Americans that we have a judiciary that has taken far too much power and become, in many cases, a supreme branch of government. One unelected judge in Seattle cannot remake laws for the entire country. I mean this is just crazy, John, the idea that you have a judge in Seattle say that a foreign national living in Libya has an effective right to enter the United States is -- is -- is beyond anything we've ever seen before. The end result of this, though, is that our opponents, the media and the whole world will soon see as we begin to take further actions, that the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned. "Will not be questioned." That is an incredible claim to executive authority -- and one we can expect to hear plenty more about. Trump has beaten around this bush plenty, yes. But Miller just came out and said it: that the White House doesn't recognize judges' authority to review things such as his travel ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 11:19 AM) Stephen Miller’s authoritarian declaration: Trump’s national security actions ‘will not be questioned’ "Will not be questioned." That is an incredible claim to executive authority -- and one we can expect to hear plenty more about. Trump has beaten around this bush plenty, yes. But Miller just came out and said it: that the White House doesn't recognize judges' authority to review things such as his travel ban. The guy looked and sounded absolutely nuts yesterday. The fight between Trump and McCain is pretty good as well. All I know is the mission McCain said was a failure would have been Benghazi II had Hillary been elected and the same thing happened. If Trump thinks McCain was a loser for getting captured, I wonder what he thinks about troops who get killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 It's also not what the ruling said. Pushing the idea that the branch was legislating for them is equally dangerous. The ruling was largely that they were incompetent, and if they are going to claim national security it needs to be reviewable in some fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Right. So far, there's only been a TRO and then an appellate review of the TRO. They haven't ruled on the merits at all. We still have to question if a statement like Miller's is due to deliberate lying, ignorance, incompetence or a combination of the three, with each being just as likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 the guy walking around with the "nuclear football" was identified and took pics with people at that dinner. Thats wonderful. Hey everyone, this guy right here holds the remote keys to our nuclear arsenal. This is what he looks like. check it out, put it on your twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 13, 2017 -> 12:01 PM) the guy walking around with the "nuclear football" was identified and took pics with people at that dinner. Thats wonderful. Hey everyone, this guy right here holds the remote keys to our nuclear arsenal. This is what he looks like. check it out, put it on your twitter But emails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) Edited February 13, 2017 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 But y'all, just look at how great America is getting! #hashtagblessed #hashtagholyf***whatisthisworld #hashtagnothingsurprisesmeanymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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