fathom Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Will he rank Kopech if he thinks he's a reliever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantl916 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 07:43 AM) He might not have Keller in the top 20....I'm thinking for sure he has: Moncada, Giolito, Kopech, Swanson, Benintendi, Reyes, Rodgers, Meadows, Robles, Crawford, Rosario, Devers, Torres, Jimenez, Groome, Bellinger, and Senzel. That leaves 3 spots for: Josh Bell, Tyler, Jay, Nick Williams, and Brady Aiken probably. I'm guessing the other 3 in his top 20 are Keller, tyler O'Neil, and Francisco mejia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 10:26 AM) Will he rank Kopech if he thinks he's a reliever? He had Kopech ranked #45 at midseason last year, and wrote that after seeing him in the AFL that he showed top of the rotation potential, so I don't think he sees Kopech as a reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 10:26 AM) Will he rank Kopech if he thinks he's a reliever? Kopech absolutely has the frame at 6'3" , 205 lbs to start in the majors His floor is as a reliever, but I firmly believe he will stick as a starter and do well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 And Kopech has the super high ceiling that law likes. He'll be in the top 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 10:32 AM) He had Kopech ranked #45 at midseason last year, and wrote that after seeing him in the AFL that he showed top of the rotation potential, so I don't think he sees Kopech as a reliever. http://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/pleskoff-s...michael-kopech/ Pleskoff's scouting report from October 2016 on Kopech is pretty much glowing FV 60 - An All Star Quality Power Pitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 26, 2017 Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 QUOTE (Fantl916 @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 10:29 AM) I'm guessing the other 3 in his top 20 are Keller, tyler O'Neil, and Francisco mejia Could be Bradley Zimmer too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I also dont get why Rey Lopez wouldn't be on there unless he spat in Law's food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 10:37 AM) I also dont get why Rey Lopez wouldn't be on there unless he spat in Law's food. He is convinced he is a reliever. So thus, no top 100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 10:45 AM) He is convinced he is a reliever. So thus, no top 100. He was also convinced Sale was a reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 10:45 AM) He is convinced he is a reliever. So thus, no top 100. http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/nl/washin...reynaldo-lopez/ Pleskoff seems to think Lopez could be solid as a starter or a reliever FV 55 - A consistent member of the pitching staff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 26, 2017 Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 10:37 AM) I also dont get why Rey Lopez wouldn't be on there unless he spat in Law's food. He doesn't put guys he thinks are definitely relievers in his top 100. It's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 27, 2017 Author Share Posted January 27, 2017 Keith Law has Yoan Moncada at #17, Lucas Giolito at #13, and Michael Kopech as the best pitching prospect in the league at #7 overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 08:15 AM) Keith Law has Yoan Moncada at #17, Lucas Giolito at #13, and Michael Kopech as the best pitching prospect in the league at #7 overall. 20 at-bats in the majors (coming out of AA) with 12 k's moved him down that much? That's nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 08:24 AM) 20 at-bats in the majors (coming out of AA) with 12 k's moved him down that much? That's nuts. It's so f***ing ridiculous. Dude has plus, plus tools across the board and absolutely raked in the minors in his first season since defecting from Cuba. How would 20 at-bats change when he should have never been called up change his prospect status? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 He said he wraps his bat and can't get to stuff inside, which was concerning enough to drop his likely ceiling. Take that for what you will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) He said he wraps his bat and can't get to stuff inside, which was concerning enough to drop his likely ceiling. Take that for what you will. Well that's concerning...at least a little bit. You were right he went and left Rey Lopez off the top 100. Which to me is a bit ridiculous and screams 'HE HATES THE SOX' more than the Moncada ranking which at least seems kinda justified. Edited January 27, 2017 by Con te Giolito Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 08:47 AM) He said he wraps his bat and can't get to stuff inside, which was concerning enough to drop his likely ceiling. Take that for what you will. If he has close to the top bat speed in the minors despite this...it's not so difficult to fix. A switch-hitter, Moncada has electric bat speed and is dangerous from both sides of the plate. He has made notable improvements in his second pro season, adding more loft to his swing and more patience to his approach.Moncada's home run percentage per at-bat has risen from 2.6 in 2015 to 3.7 (6.2 in Double-A) this year, while his walk percentage per plate appearance has increased from 11.6 to 14.6. Moncada's best pure tool is his speed, which is well above average and earns 70 grades on the 20-80 scouting scale from some evaluators. He knows how to use it on the basepaths, where he has the acumen to steal a lot of bases with a high success rate (86 percent in pro ball). Moncada has been slowed, however, since spraining his left ankle in early August, and he attempted only one steal in 11 games after his return. Few players can match Moncada's offensive potential. He projects as a .280 hitter with 20 homers and 40 steals in his prime. While Moncada won't deliver those numbers right away, he should be an upgrade over Shaw and Hill. Not really a bat speed issue here... The difference is all the difference. While Benintendi proved he was ready to play every day by recognizing the ways he was being pitched to and adapting accordingly, Moncada has looked lost as Padres pitchers have challenged him with curveballs, sliders and changeups. In Tuesday night's 5-1 victory, he struck out four times on 20 pitches, 11 of which were fastballs. That came after Monday's 2-1 loss, in which he whiffed three times on 18 pitches, only three fastballs. "They've thrown a lot of [off-speed pitches] and it's been throwing me off a little bit," Moncada said through interpreter Daveson Perez. "But I just have got to work on seeing them better and making contact. These weren't my first strikeouts, and they won't be my last. Just got to keep moving forward and know that the players that strike out are the players that are actually playing in the game." Edited January 27, 2017 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted January 27, 2017 Author Share Posted January 27, 2017 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 08:33 AM) http://www.espn.com/blog/keith-law/insider/post?id=6270 40. Walker Buehler RHP LAD 39. Amir Garrett LHP Cincinnati 38. Lewis Brinson OF Milwaukee 37. Francis Martes RHP Houston 36. Ronald Acuna OF Atlanta 35. Leody Taveras OF Texas 34. Corey Ray OF Milwaukee 33. Kevin Newman SS Pittsburgh 32. Kolby Allard LHP Atlanta 31. Alex Verdugo OF LAD 30. Mickey Moniak OF Philadelphia 29. Dominic Smith 1B NYM 28. James Kapreilian RHP NYY 27. Clint Frazier OF NYY 26. Ozhiano Albies SS Atlanta 25. Tyler Glasnow RHP Pittsburgh 24. Manuel Margot OF San Diego 23. Cal Quantrill RHP Stanford 22. Blake Rutherford OF NYY 21. Anderson Espinosa RHP San Diego 20. Jason Groome LHP Boston 19. Brendan Rodgers SS Colorado 18. Francisco Mejia C Cleveland 17. Yoan Moncada 2B White Sox 16. Mitch Keller RHP Pittsburgh 15. Nick Senzel 3B Cincinnati 14. Josh Bell 1B Pittsburgh 13. Lucas Giolito RHP White Sox 12. Eloy Jimenez OF Cubs 11. Rafael Devers 3B Boston 10. Alex Reyes RHP St. Louis 9. Austin Meadows OF Pittsburgh 8. Victor Robles OF Washington 7. Michael Kopech RHP White Sox 6. Cody Bellinger 1B/OF LAD 5. J.P. Crawford SS Philadelphia 4. Gleyber Torres SS NYY 3. Amed Rosario SS NYM 2. Dansby Swanson SS Atlanta 1. Andrew Benintendi OF Boston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 The only thing I've gotten from this list is that Keith Law has no clue what he's talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Everyone is going to have their own views and opinions on players. I don't really understand why people get upset about rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 10:37 AM) Everyone is going to have their own views and opinions on players. I don't really understand why people get upset about rankings. I'm not upset, but this list lost all of its credibility after he ranked Moncada 17th after a small MLB sample size. Ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 12:37 PM) Everyone is going to have their own views and opinions on players. I don't really understand why people get upset about rankings. Agree completely. For instance, if Gary Sanchez (after his phenom debut where he absolutely raked and stayed at catcher) were eligible and ranked, he would easily be #1. I bring him up because his GM said that Sanchez would have been the equivalent of Moncada if NYY were to compare w Boston's Chris Sale deal. Everyone's views are different and an opinion...don't get too high or too down about it. On the bright side, you could also take the pundits' rankings with a grain of salt and feel a little better about the fact that an actual respected GM who makes the deals thinks so highly of Yoan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Ranking moncada 17 is really indefensible. I don't think law hates the Sox (I think kopech is way too high) but he probably makes some non standard rankings as a click bait. No other source ranks moncada outside the top5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 QUOTE (heirdog @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 10:45 AM) Agree completely. For instance, if Gary Sanchez (after his phenom debut where he absolutely raked and stayed at catcher) were eligible and ranked, he would easily be #1. I bring him up because his GM said that Sanchez would have been the equivalent of Moncada if NYY were to compare w Boston's Chris Sale deal. Everyone's views are different and an opinion...don't get too high or too down about it. On the bright side, you could also take the pundits' rankings with a grain of salt and feel a little better about the fact that an actual respected GM who makes the deals thinks so highly of Yoan. Just like any opinion articles, these rankings are made for debate. Law gets more attention for ranking Moncada #17 as opposed to #1. Just the same as he gets more attention for ranking Kopech #7 rather than mid twenties like most publications will do. In my opinion, these ranking systems are like Mel Kiper or other analysts that do NFL mock drafts. They put them out a few times before the draft starts, but there is never any research afterwards to see if they were accurate or not. If there was an analysis of accuracy, I'm guessing Kiper would have lost his job a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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