Soha Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 12:00 PM) Yeah and that was even before they traded for Eaton. They don't have quite as many bullets now. That said, if I'm the Sox - this would be a rare scenario where I would take a little bit less for Q or Robertson to get a deal done. Say the Sox gave up Quintana and Robertson for Robles + a few lottery tickets. What that immediately does is gives us 2 hitters with star potential in our system, with Robles and Moncada. It also makes the team significantly worse and thus, it drastically increases your chances of landing Seth Beer in the 2018 draft. And then we'd be flippin' loaded for the future if that all panned out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 There's no way I take a lesser return for Q right now just to bank on getting Beer later. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 12:15 PM) There's no way I take a lesser return for Q right now just to bank on getting Beer later. Sorry. Those 2 scenarios are also independent. Regardless of the return Q brings back, it's likely not helping us win any more or any less games this upcoming season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 @Inside Baseball tweets that after missing out on Romeo, the Nats have "intensified" Robertson talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesterday333 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Q and Robertson for Robles+++ is just silly. I don't even know if I'd do that for just Q, let alone Q and Robertson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 12:19 PM) @Inside Baseball tweets that after missing out on Romeo, the Nats have "intensified" Robertson talks. Is that just based on the stuff this morning or is it like fresh within the past hour or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 12:21 PM) Is that just based on the stuff this morning or is it like fresh within the past hour or two. It came out 4 minutes ago. Does that mean it's new? I dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 12:19 PM) Those 2 scenarios are also independent. Regardless of the return Q brings back, it's likely not helping us win any more or any less games this upcoming season. True. Either way, there is no way I would settle on Q if I was Hahn. Beer looks good now but he is far from a sure thing and there's no guarantee the Sox would get to take him anyway. Making him an integral part of the deal is not wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 12:23 PM) True. Either way, there is no way I would settle on Q if I was Hahn. Beer looks good now but he is far from a sure thing and there's no guarantee the Sox would get to take him anyway. Making him an integral part of the deal is not wise. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soha Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 12:23 PM) True. Either way, there is no way I would settle on Q if I was Hahn. Beer looks good now but he is far from a sure thing and there's no guarantee the Sox would get to take him anyway. Making him an integral part of the deal is not wise. The reason to do the deal is Robles, who some think could be the best prospect in baseball very soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (Soha @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 12:10 PM) That said, if I'm the Sox - this would be a rare scenario where I would take a little bit less for Q or Robertson to get a deal done. Say the Sox gave up Quintana and Robertson for Robles + a few lottery tickets. What that immediately does is gives us 2 hitters with star potential in our system, with Robles and Moncada. It also makes the team significantly worse and thus, it drastically increases your chances of landing Seth Beer in the 2018 draft. And then we'd be flippin' loaded for the future if that all panned out. That makes zero sense Quintana and Robertson are totally different trade pieces and we should not have to compromise too much on either I don't think the Nationals have the prospects, or the desire to trade for Quintana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (Soha @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 12:29 PM) The reason to do the deal is Robles, who some think could be the best prospect in baseball very soon. Even a hypothetical Quintana to the Nats trade gets hairy. There's no way the Nationals could pull it off without completely gutting the farm that is already hurting for the loss of Giolito, Lopez and Dunning Robles + Fedde + Soto + Stevenson/Severino? I can't see the Nationals having enough left to convince the Sox I think we will be pleasantly surprised if a Robertson deal gets done what we get in return Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soha Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 12:33 PM) Even a hypothetical Quintana to the Nats trade gets hairy. There's no way the Nationals could pull it off without completely gutting the farm that is already hurting for the loss of Giolito, Lopez and Dunning Robles + Fedde + Soto + Stevenson/Severino? I can't see the Nationals having enough left to convince the Sox I think we will be pleasantly surprised if a Robertson deal gets done what we get in return Yeah...I don't expect this to happen. I think it would be the Nats turning this down, not the Sox. It would take them being willing to completely gut their system to go for it in a possible last 2 years of Harper. Don't see it happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 12:15 PM) There's no way I take a lesser return for Q right now just to bank on getting Beer later. Sorry. I agree Mike. I would be happy if the Sox traded Robertson and if necessary Nate Jones for Robles plus prospects and Quintana to Pittsburgh for Austin Meadows and Keller. Then Frazier to the Yankees or Boston for a premium prospect. Those are trades that would help the Sox establish a decent core almost immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesterday333 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 11:37 AM) I agree Mike. I would be happy if the Sox traded Robertson and if necessary Nate Jones for Robles plus prospects and Quintana to Pittsburgh for Austin Meadows and Keller. Then Frazier to the Yankees or Boston for a premium prospect. Those are trades that would help the Sox establish a decent core almost immediately. I'd do all of those deals, but it sounds like we have no chance at meadows. I packaging Robertson and Jones or even Frazier for a top tier prospect is a great idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 The White Sox aren't going to trade anyone with Q that would or at least could lessen his return. Hahn said as much at Soxfest when some shmuck thought adding Shields to a Q trade would be a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 12:45 PM) The White Sox aren't going to trade anyone with Q that would or at least could lessen his return. Hahn said as much at Soxfest when some shmuck thought adding Shields to a Q trade would be a good idea. Lol yeah I'd rather just eat the 2 years of Shields. And hope he can pass by as a back-end starter for a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 12:48 PM) Lol yeah I'd rather just eat the 2 years of Shields. And hope he can pass by as a back-end starter for a team. The fans would riot if the Sox took a lesser package to salary dump Shields Shields will be here for the next two years, which is fine since we are rebuilding. Best case scenario is the Shields miraculously redeems himself enough this season to become a viable deadline trade chip (very wishful thinking) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 01:04 PM) The fans would riot if the Sox took a lesser package to salary dump Shields Shields will be here for the next two years, which is fine since we are rebuilding. Best case scenario is the Shields miraculously redeems himself enough this season to become a viable deadline trade chip (very wishful thinking) That's what I was getting at if it wasn't clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 01:04 PM) The fans would riot if the Sox took a lesser package to salary dump Shields Shields will be here for the next two years, which is fine since we are rebuilding. Best case scenario is the Shields miraculously redeems himself enough this season to become a viable deadline trade chip (very wishful thinking) I think there is almost no chance he's here for the next two seasons. At some point, they'll either trade him or release him. With Rodon at the major league level and Giolito, Lopez, & Fulmer on the cusp, the rotation is going to be squeezed pretty quickly. He might survive 2017, but 2018 will be another story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Shields could be a blessing in disguise next year. The Sox need a high pick anyway so his ineffectiveness will actually be useful, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 The idea that's been kicked around ad-nauseum is Q deal to Pirates for Glasnow, Newman, Keller and someone like Diaz while flipping Glasnow and Robertson for Robles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 01:42 PM) The idea that's been kicked around ad-nauseum is Q deal to Pirates for Glasnow, Newman, Keller and someone like Diaz while flipping Glasnow and Robertson for Robles. who's kickin' around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 02:16 PM) who's kickin' around? Some posters have posted the idea here at least a handful of times over the past month + but no real legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 6, 2017 -> 01:42 PM) The idea that's been kicked around ad-nauseum is Q deal to Pirates for Glasnow, Newman, Keller and someone like Diaz while flipping Glasnow and Robertson for Robles. I doubt the Nats trade Robles for anyone. They would have for Sale but he'll be their CF in 2 years when Harper leaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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