FG projects Sox as having 3rd biggest fall off in defense

[BlackSox13]

Saw on twitter that ZIPS WAR projections are:

 

SD 23

Sox 26

Reds 26

Mil 26

Oak 27

Atl 28

Phil 29

Angels 30

Min 32

 

Presumably that includes Q in our total

So what you're saying is that the Sox are looking good for a top pick in the '18 draft?

[ptatc]

Great post...do you even know what the word "bias" means or are just being a dick for no particular reason? I feel pretty confident saying a guy with a career -1.4 WAR over essentially 2 1/2 seasons flat out sucks. Pretty much every offensive, defensive, & base-running statistic validates my viewpoint and having watched him over a couple hundred games my eyes tell the same story. Avi Garcia is simply a horrific baseball player and if anyone feels otherwise I'd question if they are biased.

 

Also, I'd love to hear your argument for why he doesn't suck, but the sad reality is you most likely don't have one.

I do know what they mean. I've had a few years of schooling. I just thought the sentences put together were funny.

[Al Lopez's Ghost]

So what you're saying is that the Sox are looking good for a top pick in the '18 draft?

ZIPS is saying have a beer on them!

[elrockinMT]

Avi Garcia is not going to be DFA. Mark my words

[hi8is]

...do you even know what the word "bias" means or are just being a dick...

This develops a bias with you, dude and I'm not just being a dick.

[ptatc]

Avi Garcia is not going to be DFA. Mark my words

Why should he be. The Sox plan on being bad this year so why waste the money on paying someone to not play. There is possibility of his replacement being better.

[BlackSox13]

ZIPS is saying have a beer on them!

Works for me. It's gonna be tough battling the Padres for that first spot. Man, the Padres really do suck. The White Sox might have to turn Black Sox to edge SD for that first pick. Gonna have to go the full nine men out this time.

[reiks12]

None taken dude. Negativity always outweighs positivity. Men feel better about themselves when they insult rather than praise so you are just typical of the gender. No offense dude.

 

Are you trolling or just plain delusional?

[Chicago White Sox]

This develops a bias with you, dude and I'm not just being a dick.

I have no idea what this post means...care to elaborate?

[Chicago White Sox]

Saw on twitter that ZIPS WAR projections are:

 

SD 23

Sox 26

Reds 26

Mil 26

Oak 27

Atl 28

Phil 29

Angels 30

Min 32

 

Presumably that includes Q in our total

I think if we trade Quintana we're safely in the bottom three next year. Otherwise, we'll be competing with a bunch of teams for those top couple draft picks. The good news is it sounds like there are three or four elite talents in the 2018 draft, so our odds of getting a true impact talent are probably better than most years.

[hi8is]

I have no idea what this post means...care to elaborate?

I've used up my monthly allotment of poop so... nope.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Are you trolling or just plain delusional?

Little of both I suppose. Type A male personalities have always bugged me with their He sucks , you suck ,aggressive Neanderthal behavior which gets even worse online where there is no fear of biting off more than you can chew. Picking on easy targets is the sign of a coward. I am delusional only thinking these types may reflect on their behavior and offer a kinder, gentler opinion which can still say he sucks in a more cerebral way.

 

There have been edicts on this board in the past requesting comments to be more constructive and civil . It lasts for a short time then things just go back to the way they were.

Edited February 5, 2017 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[hi8is]

cerebral

Why big word use, you? Being a try for smarts or sumfing? Use muscles - not big prove me words who punch is lacked.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Why big word use, you? Being a try for smarts or sumfing? Use muscles - not big prove me words who punch is lacked.

Sorry I will try not to be such a dick from now on.

[caulfield12]

Little of both I suppose. Type A male personalities have always bugged me with their He sucks , you suck ,aggressive Neanderthal behavior which gets even worse online where there is no fear of biting off more than you can chew. Picking on easy targets is the sign of a coward. I am delusional only thinking these types may reflect on their behavior and offer a kinder, gentler opinion which can still say he sucks in a more cerebral way.

 

I think that's what everyone did the beginning with those guys (Avi the last three) such as Beckham, Viciedo, Danks (post surgery) or even Shields last year.

 

After awhile, you reach an overall conclusion and are just burned out talking about such players where the returns kept diminishing. In that case, it's seemingly justifiable to move on. And it's not like we spent so much time debating our veteran catchers the last couple of years...the difference is Garcia was young, a hyped prospect with lots of potential talent (young Miggy, five tools, could play CF, unlimited power to all fields, shotgun arm) and also the centerpiece of the argument about whether Hahn really knew what he was doing or not. That all led to more poster fatigue on him.

 

Is that being negative or pragmatic/realistic? You pick and choose your battles. In the end, even a more cerebral approach won't get you much of anything back in return for him (see Napoli, Carter, Alvarez...who actually can hit.)

Edited February 5, 2017 by caulfield12

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

I think that's what everyone did the beginning with those guys (Avi the last three) such as Beckham, Viciedo, Danks (post surgery) or even Shields last year.

 

After awhile, you reach an overall conclusion and are just burned out talking about such players where the returns kept diminishing. In that case, it's seemingly justifiable to move on. And it's not like we spent so much time debating our veteran catchers the last couple of years...the difference is Garcia was young, a hyped prospect with lots of potential talent (young Miggy, five tools, could play CF, unlimited power to all fields, shotgun arm) and also the centerpiece of the argument about whether Hahn really knew what he was doing or not. That all led to more poster fatigue on him.

 

Is that being negative or pragmatic/realistic? You pick and choose your battles. In the end, even a more cerebral approach won't get you much of anything back in return for him (see Napoli, Carter, Alvarez...who actually can hit.)

I try to look for signs of improvement instead of following the status quo. I know I have brought up in the past that Avi had good success hitting with men in scoring position last year and he was passable last year in RF in his limited innings there. Also there are such things as late bloomers. Is it likely he will improve enough across the board of skills to be a decent hitter or fielder ? Most likely not but all is not lost . His walk rate also was better than the year before and when he hits it the ball does explode off his bat. He has made attempts to be better . Sometimes things just click ,sometimes not. I don't know enough about O swing or Z swing and other sabremetric things to know if there was any signs there , probably not. With few exceptions, I do not often see analysis of this nature here .

Edited February 5, 2017 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[caulfield12]

I try to look for signs of improvement instead of following the status quo. I know I have brought up in the past that Avi had good success hitting with men in scoring position last year and he was passable last year in RF in his limited innings there. Also there are such things as late bloomers. Is it likely he will improve enough across the board of skills to be a decent hitter or fielder ? Most likely not but all is not lost . His walk rate also was better than the year before and when he hits it the ball does explode off his bat. He has made attempts to be better . Sometimes things just click ,sometimes not. I don't know enough about O swing or Z swing and other sabremetric things to know if there was any signs there , probably not. With few exceptions, I do not often see analysis of this nature here .

 

Avi will get his 2-3 more months (at least) in RF or DH...not to mention Melky's spot after the deadline.

 

That leaves plenty of playing time available if he can simply maintain a 725-750+ ops. IF.

 

 

[hi8is]

Sorry I will try not to be such a dick from now on.

I WILL POST IN ALL CAPITOL LETTERS TO ASSERT MY MANLY DOMINANCE AND WILL SHOW YOU WHO IS THE BOSS OF THIS THREAD AND THIS WORLD AND YOU CAN JUST TAKE IT AND LIKE IT OR NOT IT IS THE TRUTH SO THERE AND BY THE WAY SUPERCALFRAGALISTIC EXPEALADOCIOUS FRAGGLE ROCK WANNA BE HAIR STYLES DON'T FLY WITH THE ELECTRICAL OUTLET OF INSPIRED FOUNTAIN LIKE RUN ON SENTENCES.

 

 

Excuse me, psych ward calling...

[greg775]

I really hope the Sox are historically bad - really want that first pick.

Why would Renteria take the Sox job when everybody wants to lose (except me and a couple other posters)? Why would you want to manage a team that will blow chunks? Can't be much fun fielding a 55 win team.

[LittleHurt05]

Why would Renteria take the Sox job when everybody wants to lose (except me and a couple other posters)? Why would you want to manage a team that will blow chunks? Can't be much fun fielding a 55 win team.

 

Because managing a MLB team is better than not managing one?

 

[maxjusttyped]

Why would Renteria take the Sox job when everybody wants to lose (except me and a couple other posters)? Why would you want to manage a team that will blow chunks? Can't be much fun fielding a 55 win team.

There are only 30 managerial jobs so any of them will be desirable under most circumstances. I'm sure he also received a nice pay raise and believes he'll still be here when things eventually turn around.

[Jerksticks]

I wonder if the Sox will can his ass too when things start looking up.

[hi8is]

I wonder if the Sox will can his ass too when things start looking up.

Is that a serious question?

[BlackSox13]

I know the Sox are going to be tough to watch at times but dammit I miss baseball! Hurry up already.

 

 

[witesoxfan]

Not that I have any knowledge, but Avisail Garcia seems the exact type of player with whom Williams would have fallen in love and Hahn would have declined. I seem to recall the Sox wanting someone else - may have been Iglesias himself - for Peavy, but the Sox upper hands asked for Garcia over anyone else.

 

Never liked him. Never made sense to me. I compared him to Juan Encarnacion at that point. That's optimistic at this point. A best possible scenario is Edwin Encarnacion, and thats like a 1000 to 1 chance. He's more likely to be successful as a relief pitcher than he is as an outfielder.