bmags Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 QUOTE (pablo @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 12:57 PM) Agreed, makes more sense to re-evaluate at this point. Plus they have Wacha who was going to battle Reyes for this 5th spot in ST. They have 6 guys off the top of my head currently. Sign a cheap FA (not sure who is left) and see what you have in a couple of months. Martinez Waino Leake Lynn Wacha Weaver Yeah you may as well roll with that and hope for health. That's not a bad rotation but it's hard to know since everyone in NL has an ERA under 3.8 it seems like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 QUOTE (FT35 @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 12:58 PM) If he was traded...wouldn't he have to pass a physical!? Reyes is a stud. I feel bad for the guy and certainly hope for the best. Not if the team is aware of the condition prior to the trade. The White Sox traded for Jake Peavy while he was on the DL, and Arodys Vizcaino was traded from Atlanta to Chicago like 4 months after undergoing Tommy John surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 12:48 PM) With that organization, it almost seems like a requirement to have to miss a year due to Tommy John. Because of the time of year it is now, it would have to be a full season. Typically 9 months is the low end. That would get you back after the world series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 01:11 PM) Not if the team is aware of the condition prior to the trade. The White Sox traded for Jake Peavy while he was on the DL, and Arodys Vizcaino was traded from Atlanta to Chicago like 4 months after undergoing Tommy John surgery. This. A team can sign off on a trade of any player. The receiving team just has to feel like they have all relevant information and they trust the other team. The first part is what got San Diego in trouble this summer. They were running two different data bases on players health, and withholding a bunch of info from the teams they were doing deals with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 01:15 PM) Because of the time of year it is now, it would have to be a full season. Typically 9 months is the low end. That would get you back after the world series. I was getting at the fact that every starter on St. Louis seems to have that surgery at some point in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 01:27 PM) I was getting at the fact that every starter on St. Louis seems to have that surgery at some point in time. It amazes me that the White Sox push their top starters harder than most any other team in baseball, yet they always have so many less injuries than anyone else does. It is kind of amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 01:33 PM) It amazes me that the White Sox push their top starters harder than most any other team in baseball, yet they always have so many less injuries than anyone else does. It is kind of amazing. Yeah haha who are all the Cardinals who have had it over the past few years? Wacha, Wainwright, Lynn, Reyes now, Garcia I think and if you go back farther, Carpenter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 01:35 PM) Yeah haha who are all the Cardinals who have had it over the past few years? Wacha, Wainwright, Lynn, Reyes now, Garcia I think and if you go back farther, Carpenter. Going back and looking at the chart in the Herm thread, the Cardinals are actually only middle of the pack for team injury time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Ouch, this is a blow to the Cards. Don't see the Cards giving up the high cost it would take to acquire Q but I agree with those that suggest Gonzalez would be a good fit. They can ride Gonzalez for the '17 season while Reyes recovers. Wonder if this news makes Huntington think a bit more about Q. The subtraction of Reyes from the Cards and an addition of Q to the Pirates roster would be a significant swing. It's possible though I'm not counting on it. In a perfect world, the Pirates would finally give it up for Q and the Cards make a nice offer for Gonzalez. Would help both NLC teams push the cubs while helping the Sox get a higher draft pick in '18. Nothing wrong with a little day dreaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 01:44 PM) Ouch, this is a blow to the Cards. Don't see the Cards giving up the high cost it would take to acquire Q but I agree with those that suggest Gonzalez would be a good fit. They can ride Gonzalez for the '17 season while Reyes recovers. Wonder if this news makes Huntington think a bit more about Q. The subtraction of Reyes from the Cards and an addition of Q to the Pirates roster would be a significant swing. It's possible though I'm not counting on it. In a perfect world, the Pirates would finally give it up for Q and the Cards make a nice offer for Gonzalez. Would help both NLC teams push the cubs while helping the Sox get a higher draft pick in '18. Nothing wrong with a little day dreaming. This would be awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 To get Q it would have to be something like Reyes, Kelly, Perez, Hudson. That's three of their top 4 prospects, but the headliner would be damaged goods and Perez had his issues going into the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 01:33 PM) It amazes me that the White Sox push their top starters harder than most any other team in baseball, yet they always have so many less injuries than anyone else does. It is kind of amazing. There are really two factors IMO. The first is outlined really well in the Herm article about the proactive "pre-hab." The other part is Cooper really de-emphazing velocity. He preaches to back off how hard you throw to increase movement. These will go a long way to decreasing stress on the throwing motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 12:41 PM) Jeff Passan @JeffPassan now There is significant concern inside the Cardinals' organization that Alex Reyes, their star pitching prospect, needs Tommy John surgery. More speculation coming now, we shall see how the Cards react. It would be tempting to trade for him and send Q to St. Louis. Q helps them win now. The Sox get a potential better pitcher next year. The odds are highly likely that he returns to form after the surgery. It is a gamble but not really much of one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 QUOTE (ptatc @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 02:12 PM) It would be tempting to trade for him and send Q to St. Louis. Q helps them win now. The Sox get a potential better pitcher next year. The odds are highly likely that he returns to form after the surgery. It is a gamble but not really much of one. I highly doubt the sox would accept an injured pitcher as the primary headliner in a quintana deal. Even if the risk is small, why take it? STL still has watcha to be its fifth starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 02:24 PM) I highly doubt the sox would accept an injured pitcher as the primary headliner in a quintana deal. Even if the risk is small, why take it? STL still has watcha to be its fifth starter Because in a year they could possibly have a better pitcher (and #1 prospect in baseball) than the one they traded plus a couple of extra pieces. It is a gamble but it could payoff big because they really aren't getting the value from other teams for a Q trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 QUOTE (ptatc @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 12:35 PM) Because in a year they could possibly have a better pitcher (and #1 prospect in baseball) than the one they traded plus a couple of extra pieces. It is a gamble but it could payoff big because they really aren't getting the value from other teams for a Q trade. I personally doubt that the cardinals would trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 QUOTE (ptatc @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 02:35 PM) Because in a year they could possibly have a better pitcher (and #1 prospect in baseball) than the one they traded plus a couple of extra pieces. It is a gamble but it could payoff big because they really aren't getting the value from other teams for a Q trade. Also depends on if Reyes would have to go on MLB dl like Profar did and waste a year of service time or if we did what the Angels did with Skaggs and put him in the minors and then on dl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Personally I am not a huge fan of trading your best asset for a guy who just went down for Tommy John. Call me crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (shipps @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 02:40 PM) Personally I am not a huge fan of trading for a guy who just went down for Tommy John. Call me crazy. Yeah it's not really ideal. Maybe we'll see some other teams lose starting pitchers over the course of the next month. Edited February 14, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 QUOTE (shipps @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 02:40 PM) Personally I am not a huge fan of trading your best asset for a guy who just went down for Tommy John. Call me crazy. Way to risky, plus I don't think the Cardinals are looking to move the package it would take. Sox are being rightfully selective about the quintana trade, and a Reyes based package makes little sense. Even if Reyes interested the sox, I don't like their other prospects enough to make a deal happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 QUOTE (ptatc @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 02:35 PM) Because in a year they could possibly have a better pitcher (and #1 prospect in baseball) than the one they traded plus a couple of extra pieces. It is a gamble but it could payoff big because they really aren't getting the value from other teams for a Q trade. Once a surgery is done, and the extent of the damage and repair is known, I'd be OK with it. Before then, too many unknowns to sign off on that risk in a deal for a best remaining player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 02:39 PM) Also depends on if Reyes would have to go on MLB dl like Profar did and waste a year of service time or if we did what the Angels did with Skaggs and put him in the minors and then on dl. This is a really good point. Really if you think of it that way, it is two lost years as the first year back is usually subpar as the player recovers and relearns to pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Entertaining the idea of the Cards looking into Gonzalez, I wonder if Sierra would be too much to ask for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 14, 2017 -> 03:00 PM) Entertaining the idea of the Cards looking into Gonzalez, I wonder if Sierra would be too much to ask for. Interesting thought. Sierra plus a lottery ticket would be a nice package for Gonzalez It's likely they roll with watcha though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Trade them Shields and eat the money and I bet he wins 20 games for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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