Guest wsc425 Posted December 21, 2002 Share Posted December 21, 2002 Text 2003 Roster Starting Pitching Mark Buehrle Ramiro Mendoza Jon Garland Dan Wright Jon Rauch Middle Relievers Gary Glover Antonio Osuna Billy Koch Matt Ginter Rocky Biddle Damaso Marte Kelly Wunsch 1b Paul Konerko 2b D'Angelo Jimenez ss Jose Valentin 3b Joe Crede c Miguel Olivo lf Carlos Lee cf Chris Singleton (Signed from Baltimore) rf Magglio Ordonez dh Frank Thomas Bench: Willie Harris, Tony Graffanino, Josh Paul, Jeff Liefer DL-Jon Lieber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted December 21, 2002 Share Posted December 21, 2002 It'll probably look more like this: Pitchers: Buerhle, Garland, Wright, Rauch, Biddle, Glover, Osuna, Marte, Ginter?, Wunsch, Almonte, Koch IF: Konerko, Thomas, Crede, Jiminez, Valentin, Harris, Graffanino, Olivo, Paul, Alomar OF: Ordonez, Liefer, Rowand, Lee One of these guys is going to end up being the odd man out, seeing is that I have 26 up there. I'm not too sure whether Williams is going to go after another FA pitcher, and I'd be dissapointed if he didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted December 21, 2002 Share Posted December 21, 2002 as of right now, it will look like this. LINEUP 2B-Jimenez SS-Valentin DH-Thomas RF-Ordonez 1B-Konerko LF-Lee 3B-Crede CF-Rowand C-Olivo BENCH C-Alomar CF/2B-Harris INF-Graffanino OF/1B-Liefer ROTATION #1-Buehrle #2-Garland #3-Wright #4-Rocky Biddle #5-Jon Rauch BULLPEN CL-Koch SM-Marte SM-Osuna MR-Glover MR-Wunsch LR-Ginter 25th man is open. we have to wait and see if we sign Ritchie. Stewart, Malone, among other guys will be going for that spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted December 21, 2002 Share Posted December 21, 2002 Rocky will not be our #4. I'm Ritchie will be, Rockmeister can go rot in the bullpen and blow out his elbow again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted December 21, 2002 Share Posted December 21, 2002 Molto is about as close as you can get... I think Almonte will get the 25th spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleM23 Posted December 21, 2002 Share Posted December 21, 2002 Originally posted by Cerbaho-WGRocky will not be our #4. I'm Ritchie will be, Rockmeister can go rot in the bullpen and blow out his elbow again. Right now, I'd rather march Rocky out there every 5 days before Rauch or Ritchie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 21, 2002 Share Posted December 21, 2002 Originally posted by doubleM23Right now, I'd rather march Rocky out there every 5 days before Rauch or Ritchie. Why, so he can pitch 5 innings a night? I'd rather have Rauch and Ritchie out....I would actually prefer Rauch and a free agent pitcher or one acquired by trade and then have Biddle come out of the bullpen. Frank said that Biddle had the best stuff on the team....it doesn't mean he will be a good starter. When we have other, better options, why not have him in the pen? Anaheim sure as hell thinks it is a good idea to have their arm with the best stuff, Francisco Rodriguez, aka K-Rod, in the bullpen...if he works 1 or 2 innings and pitches well, it shortens the game up by that much. Why waste the bullpen with a guy that can go, at the most, 6-7 innings(and usually less) when at the same time you could put pitchers on the mound who are better starters(ie Rauch/Ritchie) and have proven it at different levels while putting the other 'starter'(Biddle) in the bullpen where he could effectively pitch 1 to 2 innings a night, as I already said? If we can bring Ritchie back at $1 million a year, than it is worth it. If Ritchie goes for more, than we should look for someone outside of the organization, assuming we want to see if Malone/Stewart/someone else could take over the spot....I personally don't think Rocky should start. If we ditch Osuna, he could take over as set-up man, or he could be the swing man and Ginter could be the set-up guy, or something to that extent. Maybe Biddle is a 6th or 7th inning guy, dependant upon the situation, while Ginter is the swing man and Almonte takes over the set-up role...or maybe we don't get rid of Osuna at all, and he would be in the place of where I had Almonte. Who knows. All I know is we should have a damn good bullpen next year...assuming Jerry doesn't tinker it to s***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted December 21, 2002 Share Posted December 21, 2002 I don't think you can put Biddle in the pen based on him having the "best" stuff, because our pen is already strong. personally, the Sox should sign Ritchie to a cheap one year contract. I still think he can be productive. sign him and have him, Biddle, Rauch, and Stewart battle it out for the 4th and 5th spots. we have 1, maybe 2, bullpen spots open, which will be filled with a long reliever. I really like our pen with Koch, Marte, Osuna, Wunsch, and Glover. it would be nice to get a set starter though. get one more, and that way Biddle, Rauch...etc can battle it out for the last spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted December 21, 2002 Share Posted December 21, 2002 25th spot better go to josh paul..unless someone else can catcjh..alomar will be gone by may (dl) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted December 21, 2002 Share Posted December 21, 2002 Pitching Locks to make the team: Biddle, Buehrle, Garland, Glover, Koch, Marte, Osuna, Rauch, Wright, Wunsch Question Marks: Almonte, Ginter, Malone, Munoz, Porzio, Ritchie, Sanders, Stewart Not a chance: Adkins, Diaz, Lantigua, West Kenny Williams says the Sox may plan to only take 11 Pitchers into the regular season. This probably isn't a good idea when you have no idea whether or not your fourth and fifth starters will get you through the season. If the Sox go out and acquire a veteran pitcher, such as Daal, Valdes, Person, or Dempster, then carrying 11 pitchers seems more viable. If the Sox do plan to carry 11 pitchers, don't count on seeing Ed Almonte, but if they plan to go with 12, Eddy should be in a Sox uniform. Ginter has fallen out of favor with the organization, and may likely spend most of his year in AAA. Same thing goes for Porzio. Stewart, Malone, Sanders, and Munoz, all excellent young prospects will probably need some more seasoning in the minors. As for Ritchie, there is still a question mark as to whether or not he returns in a Sox uniform, but I would bet against it. If Ritchie does not return, the Sox will definately go after a pitcher in the Free Agent or trade market. The only problem is, how much longer will Person, Daal, and Valdes go without a team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wsc425 Posted December 21, 2002 Share Posted December 21, 2002 Text Free Agents from yesterday tendered include; Brad Fulmer, Al Levine, Chris Singleton, Brian Daubach, Robert Fick, Julio Santana, Chad Durbin, Jeff Suppan, Shane Spencer, Olmedo Saenz, Mike Venafro, Tanyon Sturtze, Paul Wilson, Esteban Yan, Frank Catalanotto, Jose Cruz, Jr., Mike Mahoney, Courtney Duncan, Will Cunnane, Eric Owens, Jim Mann, Travis Lee, Marlon Anderson, Manny Aybar, Jay Witasick, Aaron Fultz, Ramon Martinez, Neifi Perez, Chuck Finley. :eek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 21, 2002 Share Posted December 21, 2002 Person and Valdes will probably last a while. Daal may too as he's out their and hasn't recieved much interest other then from the Sox. Oh ya, let me just go on the record as saying that rotation is ugly. Our bullpen will be killed. You have to go into the season expecting Rauch to have plenty of short starts, and we know Biddle can't go deep into games(Until he proves it, then I see it that way). Wright and Garland are pretty good at battling so you can figure 6 innings a game for them and 7 or so from Buerhle, but for pete sake, maybe you only get a combined 9 innings a game from Rauch and Biddle. What does that do to this pen? It KILLS it. They need a guy in here that can throw the innings for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 21, 2002 Share Posted December 21, 2002 Originally posted by ChisoxfnOh ya, let me just go on the record as saying that rotation is ugly. Our bullpen will be killed. You have to go into the season expecting Rauch to have plenty of short starts, and we know Biddle can't go deep into games(Until he proves it, then I see it that way). Wright and Garland are pretty good at battling so you can figure 6 innings a game for them and 7 or so from Buerhle, but for pete sake, maybe you only get a combined 9 innings a game from Rauch and Biddle. What does that do to this pen? It KILLS it. They need a guy in here that can throw the innings for sure. Exactly...that is the reason that only one of Rauch and Biddle will be in the rotation, and I'm thinking it will be Rauch. The guy has more upside and is a flat out better pitcher. And whether it means anything or not, the most innings Rauch has thrown in one game is 7, Biddle 6....those numbers of course coming from the 2002 campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 Originally posted by wsc425Text Free Agents from yesterday tendered include; Brad Fulmer, Al Levine, Chris Singleton, Brian Daubach, Robert Fick, Julio Santana, Chad Durbin, Jeff Suppan, Shane Spencer, Olmedo Saenz, Mike Venafro, Tanyon Sturtze, Paul Wilson, Esteban Yan, Frank Catalanotto, Jose Cruz, Jr., Mike Mahoney, Courtney Duncan, Will Cunnane, Eric Owens, Jim Mann, Travis Lee, Marlon Anderson, Manny Aybar, Jay Witasick, Aaron Fultz, Ramon Martinez, Neifi Perez, Chuck Finley. :eek To fill our main weaknesses, Eric Owens (cf) and Ramon Martinez (sp) would be good pickups. They wont get much interest but they do the job. RM use to be an ace and EO has a decent bat and can play center... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 Owens is quality. When was the last time Martinez pitched in the majors? We would of been better off picking up Jaret Wright. Martinez was very good in his prime, but he's probably 38 and has no arm anymore. Considering how cheap the Sox are, they need to spend every penny on one solid pitcher that will help them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 Ramon Martinez, Pedro's brother, retired either this year or last year....he did it when he was pitching for the Pirates. I think that's what happened anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUCKREINSDORF Posted December 24, 2002 Share Posted December 24, 2002 Originally posted by wsc425Text 2003 Roster Starting Pitching Mark Buehrle Ramiro Mendoza Jon Garland Dan Wright Jon Rauch Middle Relievers Gary Glover Antonio Osuna Billy Koch Matt Ginter Rocky Biddle Damaso Marte Kelly Wunsch 1b Paul Konerko 2b D'Angelo Jimenez ss Jose Valentin 3b Joe Crede c Miguel Olivo lf Carlos Lee cf Chris Singleton (Signed from Baltimore) rf Magglio Ordonez dh Frank Thomas Bench: Willie Harris, Tony Graffanino, Josh Paul, Jeff Liefer DL-Jon Lieber Nice idea,but Singleton just signed with the A's.D'OH!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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