Updated teams interested in Q

[steveno89]

With a guy like this, if you wait for him, you miss out on him. This is the best chance the White Sox have left to get a kid who is quite literally regarded as a generational talent into the system. Three years from now, he is going to be where Yoan Moncada is at.

 

Perhaps, but he is only 17 years old

 

In three years he will be nowhere near mlb ready

 

His ceiling is compared to Miguel Cabrera and Chipper Jones, but zero mention of what his floor is. Maitan does not fit in with our rebuilding timeline, as the Sox are looking for prospects much closer to mlb ready

 

As a second piece in a deal with the Braves? Absolutely I would be on board. But as a headliner there is far too much risk

[ChiSoxFanMike]

With a guy like this, if you wait for him, you miss out on him. This is the best chance the White Sox have left to get a kid who is quite literally regarded as a generational talent into the system. Three years from now, he is going to be where Yoan Moncada is at.

or 3 years from now he could be floundering in rookie ball.

 

I'm definitely not opposed to acquiring him, he just can't be the main piece for Q. Way too much risk.

[yesterday333]

I just don't see Matian as part of the deal. Too valuable to Atl and not valuable enough to us.

[southsider2k5]

Perhaps, but he is only 17 years old

 

In three years he will be nowhere near mlb ready

 

His ceiling is compared to Miguel Cabrera and Chipper Jones, but zero mention of what his floor is. Maitan does not fit in with our rebuilding timeline, as the Sox are looking for prospects much closer to mlb ready

 

As a second piece in a deal with the Braves? Absolutely I would be on board. But as a headliner there is far too much risk

 

Everyone fits into our time line. I think people who think differently are way underestimating how long it will be before this team is going to be good again. Obviously Matain won 't be in the first wave, but he should be in the middle of the period where this team is good again. If you look at what the White Sox have done this winter, it is that they aren't getting all guys who are major league ready. Kopech and Basabe for example are years away.

[southsider2k5]

or 3 years from now he could be floundering in rookie ball.

 

I'm definitely not opposed to acquiring him, he just can't be the main piece for Q. Way too much risk.

 

In three years any of the guys who we have could be busts. The whole point of the rebuild is to get the highest levels of talent into the system. You aren't going to find many people with more talent than this kid.

[SoxAce]

You are really underrating how good Ozzie Albies can be

 

MLB.com scouting grades on him = Scouting grades: Hit: 65 | Power: 30 | Run: 70 | Arm: 55 | Field: 65 | Overall: 60

 

He might never hit for much power, but is a great leader, plus hitter, plus runner and a great fielder

 

Imagine a lineup that had Anderson, Moncada and Albies in it? Young, athletic and dangerous speed. Each of those guys is a threat to steal if they get on base

 

Not to mention 2B isn't a premier power hitting position anyways. If they do get him hypothetically, he or Moncada would have to move to the OF. Depends what the sox value more. Defense or all star appearances.

[steveno89]

Not to mention 2B isn't a premier power hitting position anyways. If they do get him hypothetically, he or Moncada would have to move to the OF. Depends what the sox value more. Defense or all star appearances.

 

Actually 2nd base has become more and more of a power hitting position as of late. A league average second baseman hit 18 home runs last year

 

 

[steveno89]

Everyone fits into our time line. I think people who think differently are way underestimating how long it will be before this team is going to be good again. Obviously Matain won 't be in the first wave, but he should be in the middle of the period where this team is good again. If you look at what the White Sox have done this winter, it is that they aren't getting all guys who are major league ready. Kopech and Basabe for example are years away.

 

Yes, and no

 

Maitan is 17 years old and will not be mlb ready for at least 4-5 seasons. I'm fine with him as a second piece, but the Sox are looking to turn this around within the next three seasons or so.

 

Best case timeline for Maitan would be:

 

1) DZL league this year, possibly see some rookie ball

2) Rookie ball next season, possibly some low A

3) Likely a full season in low A, potentially getting bumped to high A mideason

4) Full season at AA, potentially getting bump to AAA late

5) AAA or possibly MLB debut

 

We don't really have the luxury of waiting that long on a player. Maitan would be a high school junior right now...nowhere near mlb ready

 

[southsider2k5]

Yes, and no

 

Maitan is 17 years old and will not be mlb ready for at least 4-5 seasons. I'm fine with him as a second piece, but the Sox are looking to turn this around within the next three seasons or so.

 

Best case timeline for Maitan would be:

 

1) DZL league this year, possibly see some rookie ball

2) Rookie ball next season, possibly some low A

3) Likely a full season in low A, potentially getting bumped to high A mideason

4) Full season at AA, potentially getting bump to AAA late

5) AAA or possibly MLB debut

 

We don't really have the luxury of waiting that long on a player. Maitan would be a high school junior right now...nowhere near mlb ready

 

Three seasons as in 2019? No way. Not a chance. There isn't enough talent here yet for that. 2020 is when the window opens IMO. If Matain takes 5 or even 6 seasons to get here, that puts him right smack in the middle of things in 2021 or 22. He won't be on the front end, but he would be right in the middle of the revival, if it works.

[Rowand44]

Three seasons as in 2019? No way. Not a chance. There isn't enough talent here yet for that. 2020 is when the window opens IMO. If Matain takes 5 or even 6 seasons to get here, that puts him right smack in the middle of things in 2021 or 22. He won't be on the front end, but he would be right in the middle of the revival, if it works.

There's definitely a chance. Depending on how you see some of these guys it might not be the likeliest of scenarios but to say there's not a chance just isn't right.

[SoxAce]

Actually 2nd base has become more and more of a power hitting position as of late. A league average second baseman hit 18 home runs last year

 

I meant traditionally. The Royals won the World Series just 2 years ago with Infante hitting 2 of them the whole season.

[steveno89]

Three seasons as in 2019? No way. Not a chance. There isn't enough talent here yet for that. 2020 is when the window opens IMO. If Matain takes 5 or even 6 seasons to get here, that puts him right smack in the middle of things in 2021 or 22. He won't be on the front end, but he would be right in the middle of the revival, if it works.

 

Doubtful he reaches the majors and is ready to produce at the level we would need him to as a rookie

 

Keep in mind, my projected timeline is a "best case" scenario for a prospect like Maitan

 

2017 = suck

 

2018 = suck, signs of improvement

 

2019 = ideally get back to around .500, definite signs of improvement

 

2020 onward = window of contention

 

I would not get stuck on Maitan, a deal could get done with Atlanta without him

[southsider2k5]

There's definitely a chance. Depending on how you see some of these guys it might not be the likeliest of scenarios but to say there's not a chance just isn't right.

 

With the players we have now, and the players who are about to go out the door, there just isn't any real offensive talent here that will be ready in that time frame. I don't think you have even replaced what we have now to stay where we are today as of yet. Unless Q yields some talent that is ready now, I don't see that changing.

[ChiSox59]

Three seasons as in 2019? No way. Not a chance. There isn't enough talent here yet for that. 2020 is when the window opens IMO. If Matain takes 5 or even 6 seasons to get here, that puts him right smack in the middle of things in 2021 or 22. He won't be on the front end, but he would be right in the middle of the revival, if it works.

 

I see no possible way this team punts the next 3 seasons.

[southsider2k5]

Doubtful he reaches the majors and is ready to produce at the level we would need him to as a rookie

 

Keep in mind, my projected timeline is a "best case" scenario for a prospect like Maitan

 

2017 = suck

 

2018 = suck, signs of improvement

 

2019 = ideally get back to around .500, definite signs of improvement

 

2020 onward = window of contention

 

I would not get stuck on Maitan, a deal could get done with Atlanta without him

 

This is the exact reason that people are too optimistic on this rebuild. The window is way too short for the guys who are in the minors now to be productive at a level to put us on a playoff arc. Plus there is still not nearly enough offensive talent even here to achieve that. Like it or not, with not getting much offensive talent in the Eaton/Sale deals, plus not getting anything for Q as of yet, the timeline really hasn't advanced that far. We still need drafts and development out of players we don't have yet.

[southsider2k5]

I see no possible way this team punts the next 3 seasons.

 

Unless you see going crazy in FA, I don't see any other realistic scenario.

[Soha]

Three seasons as in 2019? No way. Not a chance. There isn't enough talent here yet for that. 2020 is when the window opens IMO. If Matain takes 5 or even 6 seasons to get here, that puts him right smack in the middle of things in 2021 or 22. He won't be on the front end, but he would be right in the middle of the revival, if it works.

 

3 years could happen if everything falls right (as happened for the Cubs rebuild). But we know it usually doesn't work that way. Some high prospects are going to bust out. And even before that, the Sox are still light in positional/hitting prospects. As Hahn has pointed out, we're in the very beginning stages of this thing.

 

 

Regarding Maitan - I absolutely would let him be a centerpiece if our scouts felt good enough about him. You have to trust your scouts. Of course, with words like 'generational talent' being thrown around about him, the Braves would be smart to just refuse any offers that included him.

[Soha]

I see no possible way this team punts the next 3 seasons.

 

I think they could. All Sox fans saw right in front of our faces what can happen with a few years of patience. I'm talking about the Cubs rebuild of course. This is going to buy the Sox a lot of time. Something like this wouldn't have been possible 5 years ago.

 

As long as the Sox show progress in building up a loaded system, I think the fans will stay with them - and with that, management as well. That means continually adding exciting prospects. The return from a Quintana trade. Signing Luis Robert maybe? Possibly drafting Seth Beer or another studly prospect in the top 5 of the draft next summer. Things like that will keep this on track IMO.

[southsider2k5]

3 years could happen if everything falls right (as happened for the Cubs rebuild). But we know it usually doesn't work that way. Some high prospects are going to bust out. And even before that, the Sox are still light in positional/hitting prospects. As Hahn has pointed out, we're in the very beginning stages of this thing.

 

 

Regarding Maitan - I absolutely would let him be a centerpiece if our scouts felt good enough about him. You have to trust your scouts. Of course, with words like 'generational talent' being thrown around about him, the Braves would be smart to just refuse any offers that included him.

 

There are two huge differences between us and the Cubs. They stocked on positional talent. We have not. They hit free agency and the international markets hard. I don't see that happening for us.

 

Thinking mid-term, Frazier and Cabrera will be gone. Avi probably isn't going to change. That leaves 3B, LF and RF open... for who? CF is a position of weakness both at the majors and in the minors. Our best hope is for one of Engel or May to get it? Odds of that? Probably not great. Catcher is a weakness. Our best hope of a catcher is years away... if he can stick.

 

That right there is half of our line up in the next two years, with nothing clear in sight. That is without considering Abreu is on track for FA after 2019.

 

Pitching I think we will be more than fine in. Positional players? I just don't see it today.

[Rowand44]

Mike, by 2019 our rotation could conceivably be the best in all of baseball. Do I honestly think that's going to happen? Of course not but all of these guys outside of Kopech are going to have at least a year of major league experience under their belt and should be ready to make a jump to where we hope their potential will be. If that's the case we have a s*** ton of money to play with to put guys around Anderson, Moncada and Collins(just using these 3 as the young core offensive players) and that's not including other guys that can be added to that offensive core through the trades of Q or Jones or Abreu or whatever. Like I said, I'm definitely not saying this is going to happen but to say there's no chance is just you continuing to s*** on what's happened so far.

[hi8is]

Round and round we go - when this s*** will stop... nobody knows.

[ptatc]

This is the exact reason that people are too optimistic on this rebuild. The window is way too short for the guys who are in the minors now to be productive at a level to put us on a playoff arc. Plus there is still not nearly enough offensive talent even here to achieve that. Like it or not, with not getting much offensive talent in the Eaton/Sale deals, plus not getting anything for Q as of yet, the timeline really hasn't advanced that far. We still need drafts and development out of players we don't have yet.

I disagree. I think 2019 is the year that could be the first of the competitive years. They should have Giolito, Lopez, Fulmer and Burdi in the minors in 2017. In 2018 they should all be ready to be at the MLB level. By 2019 they should all be ready to contribute a successful season.

They will also have Rodon and possibly Q. This will create an outstanding pitching staff at a very cheap level. Moncada will be ready by then. They will then build more offense in FA which are more reasonable contracts than pitching.

 

Will they definitely win in 2019? No, but that will be the first competitive year.

[ptatc]

There are two huge differences between us and the Cubs. They stocked on positional talent. We have not. They hit free agency and the international markets hard. I don't see that happening for us.

 

Thinking mid-term, Frazier and Cabrera will be gone. Avi probably isn't going to change. That leaves 3B, LF and RF open... for who? CF is a position of weakness both at the majors and in the minors. Our best hope is for one of Engel or May to get it? Odds of that? Probably not great. Catcher is a weakness. Our best hope of a catcher is years away... if he can stick.

 

That right there is half of our line up in the next two years, with nothing clear in sight. That is without considering Abreu is on track for FA after 2019.

 

Pitching I think we will be more than fine in. Positional players? I just don't see it today.

Positional players have have less risk than pitchers in FA. I think they will be willing to pony up for some when the time comes. The Sox and the Cubs have done the same thing just with a different group. I would much rather have cost controlled pitching and pay for the positional players.

[ChiSox59]

I disagree. I think 2019 is the year that could be the first of the competitive years. They should have Giolito, Lopez, Fulmer and Burdi in the minors in 2017. In 2018 they should all be ready to be at the MLB level. By 2019 they should all be ready to contribute a successful season.

They will also have Rodon and possibly Q. This will create an outstanding pitching staff at a very cheap level. Moncada will be ready by then. They will then build more offense in FA which are more reasonable contracts than pitching.

 

Will they definitely win in 2019? No, but that will be the first competitive year.

 

This is pretty much how I feel. The Sox are also incredibly due for some good fortune on the offensive side. Maybe Saladino figures it out this year and becomes our 3B for the next 5 years. Maybe a guy like Liriano or May or Engel become MLB regulars. I am more bullish on Collins than SS2K (shocker). I think he is one the best sticks at C in the league by 2019. Hopefully he continues to develop behind the plate. Plus the infusion of talent we get from Q, Jones, Frazier and Robertson, and the periphery guys like Gonzo, Jennings, Melky, Petricka. I expect Hahn to focus on bats moving forward.

 

Where we sit right now, its hard to see how this team can be competitive in 2019, but there is a lot more to be done, and I expect the Sox FO to continue to focus on MLB ready or near MLB ready prospects. Plus, our payroll will be peanuts and we'll be able to play in FA. Again, I see no scenario where the Sox don't try to be competitive in 2019, unless basically everything we acquired this winter flames out.

[southsider2k5]

Mike, by 2019 our rotation could conceivably be the best in all of baseball. Do I honestly think that's going to happen? Of course not but all of these guys outside of Kopech are going to have at least a year of major league experience under their belt and should be ready to make a jump to where we hope their potential will be. If that's the case we have a s*** ton of money to play with to put guys around Anderson, Moncada and Collins(just using these 3 as the young core offensive players) and that's not including other guys that can be added to that offensive core through the trades of Q or Jones or Abreu or whatever. Like I said, I'm definitely not saying this is going to happen but to say there's no chance is just you continuing to s*** on what's happened so far.

 

I mean this is how the rebuild looks so far.

 

1. Get tons of pitching potential

2. Get a couple of offensive players

3?

4. Playoffs.

 

Bastardizing an old GM quote.. the pieces are not in place, yet. Sure we can still trade for guys in the future, but that only pushes the timeline out further, just like I said. Even if we end up with the #1 pick in the 2017 and 2018 drafts, when do you think those guys will be ready to play? When do you think they will be contributors? Even if the draft class we just had turns out great, when will they be ready?

 

This franchise just has way too many holes today for this to happen quickly. Sure the holes can be filled, but not instantly.