witesoxfan Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 02:27 PM) We'll see. I don't think they will either but their fans can enjoy getting bounced from the playoffs by the Cubs again in October. Frankly, that would probably happen with or without Quintana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 02:48 PM) Frankly, that would probably happen with or without Quintana. Still, Q gives them a better chance then most of that staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 02:24 PM) The Dodgers have like 8 guys who are projected to up 2+ WAR/160 IP. They won't be interested in Quintana. Who are the guys and what are their projected WAR/innings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Friday Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 I don't think a blister is going to be the reason they trade Bellinger and others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (Blackout Friday @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 03:12 PM) I don't think a blister is going to be the reason they trade Bellinger and others. Q won't be bringing back Bellinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 03:25 PM) Q won't be bringing back Bellinger I don't think LA will move Bellinger either, but it would take a heck of a depth package for LA to be able to get a deal doen without him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 03:57 PM) I don't think LA will move Bellinger either, but it would take a heck of a depth package for LA to be able to get a deal doen without him I think they can get it done fairly easily using Verdugo, Alvarez, and Calhoun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) Q won't bring back this guy Q won't bring back that guy. When you say that you are proving the theory if the Sox keep drafting and trading for pitchers they can easily be flipped for similarly ranked hitters as false. Whatever team wants Q needs to haverify some hitters as headliners Edited April 7, 2017 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Dbill Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Since there has been a lull in trade talk and even though I don’t forsee any trade for Quintana happening until closer to the trade deadline, I’d like to take a crack at what might happen. I think that in order to complete a trade you will probably need to make it a three way deal in order to get the prospects that we need in return. It seems that too many teams are putting too many of their prospects “off limits” for us to get the type of return that we would like. If we use multiple teams we might get closer to the type of return we need. I would propose trading “Q” to the Astros for For Kyle Tucker, Francis Martes, Franklin Perez and the second round pick the Astros got from St Louis for the spying scandal(I think that pick is available for trading). I would then trade Francis Martes to the Cubs for Ian Happ. I have to admit I am big fan of Happ and was somewhat disappointed when the Sox took Carson Fulmer over Happ in the 2015 draft. I would see Happ moving to left field with the Sox. The Cubs need pitching and have no real prospects that would be available this year. The Sox need position players and Happ is blocked from the Cubs current big league roster. I also like the fact he is a switch hitter like Moncada. This would give us two solid position prospects with plus hitting skills one available to join this year (Happ) while we wait a couple of years of Tucker to be ready. I also considered trading Franklin Perez but I think he could be something special. I like the idea of him being available with Alec Hansen and Dane Dunning in 2019. I also like the flexibility that the extra pick would add to the draft plan for this year like it did last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 02:53 PM) Who are the guys and what are their projected WAR/innings? http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-positi...-rotation-1-15/ Karshaw - a lot of WAR Hill - 2.8 WAR over 140 IP Maeda - 2.8 WAR over 154 IP McCarthy - 1.5 WAR over 121 IP Wood - 1.4 WAR over 94 IP Urias - 1.9 WAR over 102 IP Kazmir - 1.1 WAR over 73 IP Ryu - 0.7 WAR over 47 IP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (2Dbill @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 04:06 PM) Since there has been a lull in trade talk and even though I don’t forsee any trade for Quintana happening until closer to the trade deadline, I’d like to take a crack at what might happen. I think that in order to complete a trade you will probably need to make it a three way deal in order to get the prospects that we need in return. It seems that too many teams are putting too many of their prospects “off limits” for us to get the type of return that we would like. If we use multiple teams we might get closer to the type of return we need. I would propose trading “Q” to the Astros for For Kyle Tucker, Francis Martes, Franklin Perez and the second round pick the Astros got from St Louis for the spying scandal(I think that pick is available for trading). I would then trade Francis Martes to the Cubs for Ian Happ. I have to admit I am big fan of Happ and was somewhat disappointed when the Sox took Carson Fulmer over Happ in the 2015 draft. I would see Happ moving to left field with the Sox. The Cubs need pitching and have no real prospects that would be available this year. The Sox need position players and Happ is blocked from the Cubs current big league roster. I also like the fact he is a switch hitter like Moncada. This would give us two solid position prospects with plus hitting skills one available to join this year (Happ) while we wait a couple of years of Tucker to be ready. I also considered trading Franklin Perez but I think he could be something special. I like the idea of him being available with Alec Hansen and Dane Dunning in 2019. I also like the flexibility that the extra pick would add to the draft plan for this year like it did last year. Interesting proposal. I like the three-way angle, and we know Rick Hahn historically does as well! Is Tucker, Happ, Perez and a second-round pick enough for Q? It will be very interesting to follow Tucker the first few months in the minors this year to see how his stock rises or stagnates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Friday Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 03:25 PM) Q won't be bringing back Bellinger Not really the point I was trying to make. They built themselves depth to absorb minor injuries. But regardless, discussion never hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 02:24 PM) The Dodgers have like 8 guys who are projected to up 2+ WAR/160 IP. They won't be interested in Quintana. The problem is that staff is a an injury train wreck to a large extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 QUOTE (Blackout Friday @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 03:12 PM) I don't think a blister is going to be the reason they trade Bellinger and others. Blister was a recurring issue a lot of last year for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Apr 8, 2017 -> 11:16 AM) Blister was a recurring issue a lot of last year for him. freidman (sp?) said in an interview the other day that he doesn't consider a starting staff to be 6 or 7 pitchers he looks at 9 to 10 with injuries and fatigue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 QUOTE (ptatc @ Apr 8, 2017 -> 11:21 AM) freidman (sp?) said in an interview the other day that he doesn't consider a starting staff to be 6 or 7 pitchers he looks at 9 to 10 with injuries and fatigue. And thats great and all but have you seen that division? They don't really need a ton of depth to win the division. I'd honestly have no faith in any of those guys past Kershaw in the post season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Not sure if this has been posted.. Astros' Collin McHugh visits doctor after experiencing elbow and bicep tightness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Apr 8, 2017 -> 12:14 PM) Not sure if this has been posted.. Astros' Collin McHugh visits doctor after experiencing elbow and bicep tightness Man, the Astros have some potential serious pitching issues. Let's hope the Rays compete so Archer stays off the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Apr 8, 2017 -> 12:27 PM) Man, the Astros have some potential serious pitching issues. Let's hope the Rays compete so Archer stays off the market. TB isnt going to sell Archer yet imo. TB isnt looking too bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Jon MorosiVerified account @jonmorosi 11m11 minutes ago #Astros need for rotation help increases. RHP Collin McHugh won't throw for 6 weeks; posterior impingement of his right elbow. @MLBNetwork Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Bob NightengaleVerified account @BNightengale 18s19 seconds ago More Now that #Astros Collin McHugh is shut down for 6 weeks, only natural to wonder if this could re-start Jose Quintana trade talks w #WhiteSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Apr 8, 2017 -> 01:04 PM) Jon MorosiVerified account @jonmorosi 11m11 minutes ago #Astros need for rotation help increases. RHP Collin McHugh won't throw for 6 weeks; posterior impingement of his right elbow. @MLBNetwork QUOTE (DirtySox @ Apr 8, 2017 -> 01:13 PM) Bob NightengaleVerified account @BNightengale 18s19 seconds ago More Now that #Astros Collin McHugh is shut down for 6 weeks, only natural to wonder if this could re-start Jose Quintana trade talks w #WhiteSox Just got to hope the internal options struggle. If so, I have no doubts Luhnow panics and comes crawling back to us sooner rather than later. He should be under some serious pressure at this point to deliver a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Apr 8, 2017 -> 11:13 AM) Bob NightengaleVerified account @BNightengale 18s19 seconds ago More Now that #Astros Collin McHugh is shut down for 6 weeks, only natural to wonder if this could re-start Jose Quintana trade talks w #WhiteSox Oh boy, here we go... again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 8, 2017 -> 01:30 PM) Just got to hope the internal options struggle. If so, I have no doubts Luhnow panics and comes crawling back to us sooner rather than later. He should be under some serious pressure at this point to deliver a winner. This I am in agreement with. Given their quotes this offseason, it seemed their mentality leaned towards comfort in going into the season with their current rotation, but McCullers has been injury prone, Morton has been injury prone, and McHugh is out now. They have talented pitchers, but talented pitchers don't always come up and pitch well right away. Look no further than the AL Central - Giolito struggled last year, Berrios was a train wreck, and Bauer hasn't lived up to his prospect status either. I could see this heating up even before June, as long as Quintana is his normal self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Apr 8, 2017 -> 02:09 PM) Oh boy, here we go... again. I have a feeling something will happen soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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