Updated teams interested in Q

[2nd_city_saint787]

Q did the same thing in 2015 (14 runs in his first 3 games) and ended up with an era in the 3.6s by the deadline.

 

Ill start to get worried if he is 7 games in with 4 stinkers.

[witesoxfan]

So, if you remove the innings where he's pitched poorly his numbers look a lot better. I'm not panicking about Quintana, but I think people were underestimating the risk of keeping him into the season.

 

Yeah, because it's 2 f***ing innings.

[oldsox]

If I were a Mod, I would close this thread.

[Kalapse]

If I were a Mod, I would close this thread.

Good thing you're not a mod.

[sin city sox fan]

Should have traded when you could. Now we are stuck with him. He really has only had 2 bad innings. He pitched well last Sunday but the Sox scored 1 run. He was awful in the first yesterday but pitched decently after that and wasn't going to win anyway since the Sox could only muster 1 hit.

 

Despite some big performances the Sox offense has been mostly brutal. They have a game they scored 11, one they scored 10, and have averaged 2 runs a game in the others. It looking around the league there are a ton of players with crazy awful offensive numbers.

 

I think Q had a different routine this spring and peaked for the WBC, and it will take him a bit to get back to normal.

 

He had something to pitch for in the WBC. He has nothing to pitch for now. He figures he isn't going to be on the team by the end of the year and its not going to affect his income at all (option years are low enough they will be picked up as long as his ERA is below 5). It actually benefits him to pitch poorly as his new team will be able to hold onto prime prospects when acquiring him.

 

People can say this is BS all they want, but motivation affects 100% of people in how they perform and he has none. Hahn handled this poorly and we'll unfortunately pay a price.

[caulfield12]

Or he's simply terrible against the Twins (Sale went through similar stretches against them).

 

18 runs surrendered to them in his last three starts dating back to September 1st.

 

10 more runs in two starts against KC and DET.

 

All of his other starts, he's been really good and typical Quintana...for example, against the Indians, who were clearly the best team in the division last year.

 

Of course, that's only 4 good starts out of 9, whereas normally you expect 6/7 out of 9 (quality starts) when Q's taking the bump.

Edited April 17, 2017 by caulfield12

[Rowand44]

He had something to pitch for in the WBC. He has nothing to pitch for now. He figures he isn't going to be on the team by the end of the year and its not going to affect his income at all (option years are low enough they will be picked up as long as his ERA is below 5). It actually benefits him to pitch poorly as his new team will be able to hold onto prime prospects when acquiring him.

 

People can say this is BS all they want, but motivation affects 100% of people in how they perform and he has none. Hahn handled this poorly and we'll unfortunately pay a price.

People can say it's BS because it's 100 percent BS. If he has nothing to pitch for this year then he's had nothing to pitch for in the previous 4 seasons and shockingly he was still great.

[Bob Sacamano]

Or he's simply terrible against the Twins (Sale went through similar stretches against them).

 

18 runs surrendered to them in his last three starts dating back to September 1st.

 

10 more runs in two starts against KC and DET.

 

All of his other starts, he's been really good and typical Quintana...for example, against the Indians, who were clearly the best team in the division last year.

 

Of course, that's only 4 good starts out of 9, whereas normally you expect 6/7 out of 9 (quality starts) when Q's taking the bump.

 

That includes the 1 run he gave up against them last weekend? I don't remember a game last season where he gave up 11 runs.

[FT35]

Did you all see that Madison Bumgarner is 0-2 this year? I don't think he's the competitor we all thought he was. His team's in last place--he just lost to the Rockies AT HOME in a key divisional battle--and served up a homer to Trevor Story of all people. His team gave him 2 runs of support in his last 2 starts (both losses) and I think he's just given up hope that he can be good anymore. He really has nothing to play for and currently has ZERO trade value so the Giants are stuck with him. He's also 0 for his last 5 at the plate with 0 HR's so apparently he doesn't know how to hit either. He's just not a competitor anymore. The Giants should have traded him after he won that World Series--that's when his value was at its highest. They would have been able to get Gleyber Torres for him--I just KNOW it. Ugh.

[BlackSox13]

People can say it's BS because it's 100 percent BS. If he has nothing to pitch for this year then he's had nothing to pitch for in the previous 4 seasons and shockingly he was still great.

Yeah, I don't buy the nothing to play for nonsense. If anything, pitching for a team that has just begun it's rebuild could be all the motivation Q needs to pitch his way onto a contending team in June/July. Pitching well=getting traded to a contender. Same applies to Shields, though the bounty will be far less than Q.

[shipps]

People who think its because he has nothing to play for quite frankly havent followed him throughout his career enough. The guy doesnt even have that in his DNA as far as I have seen. The Sox havent had much to play for the past few years and he has been a consistent beast. He has had his contract for a while and it hasnt slowed him.

 

But after a couple starts you draw that conclusion? That is foolish.

[he gone.]

Did you all see that Madison Bumgarner is 0-2 this year? I don't think he's the competitor we all thought he was. His team's in last place--he just lost to the Rockies AT HOME in a key divisional battle--and served up a homer to Trevor Story of all people. His team gave him 2 runs of support in his last 2 starts (both losses) and I think he's just given up hope that he can be good anymore. He really has nothing to play for and currently has ZERO trade value so the Giants are stuck with him. He's also 0 for his last 5 at the plate with 0 HR's so apparently he doesn't know how to hit either. He's just not a competitor anymore. The Giants should have traded him after he won that World Series--that's when his value was at its highest. They would have been able to get Gleyber Torres for him--I just KNOW it. Ugh.

 

This.

 

GM's aren't changing their idea of what Quintana is after 3 games. They have 100+ games of tape and info on him. It's a waiting game. Eventually some team will a pitcher get hurt and need Q. Some team will be hot to start the season and make a push for him. Or a team we've been talking about will pull the trigger.

 

 

Rather than get all squirrely just enjoy the games he pitches like we did with Sale.

[Princess Dye]

Teams wont change their impression of Q after a few games, but also last offseason was sell-high. We're not back at sell-high til we actually get there.

 

If negotiation was tough this past offseason, then right now it's further buried in problems all the more. Til something changes either about Q's results or a suitor's situation.

[bmags]

This.

 

GM's aren't changing their idea of what Quintana is after 3 games. They have 100+ games of tape and info on him. It's a waiting game. Eventually some team will a pitcher get hurt and need Q. Some team will be hot to start the season and make a push for him. Or a team we've been talking about will pull the trigger.

 

 

Rather than get all squirrely just enjoy the games he pitches like we did with Sale.

 

Totally agree. Frankly that game on Saturday would have been a Buehrle performance I've seen quite a bit. Didn't have it, but hung on to save the bullpen and provide a fighting chance, offense comes back to win.

 

Except we don't have offense for Q.

 

Thought the rebuild would provide one year of relief where people could watch each game without an emotional roller coaster of trying to make playoffs. Now it's worse, it's not winning or losing a game, it's failing in an at bat or pitch that is sending posters reeling thinking all hope is lost for a rebuild.

 

Jose Abreu is not 2 for 23 bad. Avi is not .450 good. Q's velocity isn't down. He is not fatiguing. He is not injured. He has had poor command of curve and a strange amount of HR.

 

Believe in him.

[caulfield12]

That includes the 1 run he gave up against them last weekend? I don't remember a game last season where he gave up 11 runs.

 

Yeah, 14 ER against MN in 3 starts (17 ip)

Detroit, 12 ip/10 ER

KC 4/6 ER

 

33 IP/30 ER=8.18 ERA

 

 

Cleveland 14/2 ER

TB 6/2

 

20/4=1.80

 

 

Overall, 5.77 ERA last 9, 2-6 record

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[greg775]

Thought the rebuild would provide one year of relief where people could watch each game without an emotional roller coaster of trying to make playoffs. Now it's worse, it's not winning or losing a game, it's failing in an at bat or pitch that is sending posters reeling thinking all hope is lost for a rebuild.

I don't see what you see in this regard. Everybody knows this team is built to suck in the long haul.

[he gone.]

Teams wont change their impression of Q after a few games, but also last offseason was sell-high. We're not back at sell-high til we actually get there.

 

If negotiation was tough this past offseason, then right now it's further buried in problems all the more. Til something changes either about Q's results or a suitor's situation.

 

If the price this offseason was indeed an all time high then Hahn would have pulled the trigger. It obviously was not what he wanted/expected and therefore he is still on the team.

 

There is the chance that the Sox don't get back to the level of what was offered to them this offseason but only FO types will ever know that. It's speculation. I trust Hahn that he held onto Q knowing his leverage would probably be more moving forward.

 

I for one am not in the boat to trade him for the sake of trading him. WAit until the offer we receive fits what we NEED and want to move this team forward.

 

 

Think about the Swihart rumors and message board trades we all pushed for. Trading for the sake of trading based on a fake imposed deadline isn't always feasible or the smartest route.

 

Again, maybe this offseason was a good time to trade Q. But if it wasn't what Hahn wanted in return we have to trust that and wait for another time. Maybe it's even next offseason. Who knows.

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah, 14 ER against MN in 3 starts (17 ip)

Detroit, 12 ip/10 ER

KC 4/6 ER

 

33 IP/30 ER=8.18 ERA

 

 

Cleveland 14/2 ER

TB 6/2

 

20/4=1.80

 

 

Overall, 5.77 ERA last 9, 2-6 record

 

You originally said 18 against Minnesota. That what was I was questioning.

[Dick Allen]

The White Sox are scoring 1.33 runs per Q start. Sweet.

 

No need to freak out about his performance. Way too early. Right now Avi would have to be considered the front runner for the MVP, and James Shields would be in consideration for the Cy Young. Unless only bad counts, there are no conclusions to be made at this point.

Edited April 17, 2017 by Dick Allen

[caulfield12]

Well, it's hard to argue Q value has risen...because there are likely to be guys like Duffy, Vargas, Hector Santiago, Archer, Colon, Hellickson, etc., competing with him again in June/July. Heck, Derek Holland's top ten in WHIP, but let's see how he does against NYY tonight. A's could sell high on Graveman, etc.

 

Seems like we might be headed to another suspenseful offseason. But we won't know that until mid-May at the earliest. Even a nice run of starts over a month didn't get Samardzija traded after a lousy start to the year, although circumstances were different back then.

 

For now, let's hope he can avoid the AL Central unless it's the Indians.

[chitownsportsfan]

As mentioned, the velocity is there, just seems to have had some command issues early on, which as we know for Q can jump up and bite him on occasion. If he was forth 5 rupies in the offseason maybe he's worth 4.5 rupies now after the slow start. But if he gets hot he'll be right back at 5 and or even more depending on how it shakes down in mid-summer.

 

Just stay healthy, that is the critical thing.

[southsider2k5]

Well, it's hard to argue Q value has risen...because there are likely to be guys like Duffy, Vargas, Hector Santiago, Archer, Colon, Hellickson, etc., competing with him again in June/July. Heck, Derek Holland's top ten in WHIP, but let's see how he does against NYY tonight. A's could sell high on Graveman, etc.

 

Seems like we might be headed to another suspenseful offseason. But we won't know that until mid-May at the earliest. Even a nice run of starts over a month didn't get Samardzija traded after a lousy start to the year, although circumstances were different back then.

 

For now, let's hope he can avoid the AL Central unless it's the Indians.

 

One of those guys in your list is in the same ballpark as Quintana. All of the rest are somewhere between garbage and ok.

[SCCWS]

One of those guys in your list is in the same ballpark as Quintana. All of the rest are somewhere between garbage and ok.

 

Agree. Also, not every team in contention is looking for a 1/2 starter. Some will be looking for a 4/5. We saw Boston last year go for a 4/5 in Pomeranz at the deadline but then went for Sale in the off-season. It may turn out that next winter may be the best time to deal Q.

 

[bmags]

I don't see KC trading Duffy. Maybe naive but I think that org will try to hunker down with what they have.

[Chicago White Sox]

Agree. Also, not every team in contention is looking for a 1/2 starter. Some will be looking for a 4/5. We saw Boston last year go for a 4/5 in Pomeranz at the deadline but then went for Sale in the off-season. It may turn out that next winter may be the best time to deal Q.

Boston did not acquire Pomerania thinking he was a 4/5 starter, they gave up a big time pitching prospect to get him.