Updated teams interested in Q

[bmags]

To me, the question is what teams have the prospects to meet the Sox asking price. I mean, Texas might want a TOR starter at the deadline, but there's no way they have the pieces to get a deal done.

 

As of today, the teams are still the teams we spent all offseason talking about: the Yankees, the Cubs, the Astros, the Pirates, and the Rockies. And if the Sox would trade Q within the division, add Cleveland to that. I might be missing a couple teams in there, but it's a pretty limited pool of teams that would be willing to get in on Q and have the resources to pull it off.

 

That's the issue on moving Q more than anything else, IMO.

 

Way things are going we may need to include the Mets.

[OmarComing25]

How many TOR starters will be available though? I think Q's should be pretty safe as long as he keeps pitching well. To your point though, we should be aggressive with the back-end guys like Gonzalez & Holland. I'd start seriously marketing these guys as soon as June. The market #4 starters could be saturated by July 31st.

The one team I worry about is Texas. They're off to a poor start and if that continues they may consider trading Darvish at the deadline.

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't see many TOR starters being available at the deadline at will be under lengthy team control. Rental players do not come cheap either, and a team may have an easier time justifying a longer term piece like Quintana over an expensive three month rental

 

They don't really have to be considered "top of rotation arms." Guys could be having good years or career years on the final year of a deal and be dealt at a cheaper cost than Q that a team may be willing to pay.

[Bob Sacamano]

This and we should be rooting for the Tigers and Royals. If Tigers fall out and make Verlander available... Royals could sell off Moutstakas, Cain and relievers.

 

I've been saying this since before the season. I want those two teams to be doing good and I want the Jays to bounce back.

[southsider2k5]

The Dodgers & Cardinals come to mind, but your points still stands. However, that's more of an issue of constrained demand due to a high ask. From a supply perspective, there shouldn't be many TOR starters available and hopefully none that are cost-controlled. There will be plenty of teams pursing Quintana whether they can ultimately meet the high asking price.

 

The same does not apply to Gonzalez & Holland. If those markets get saturated, we're going to struggle to get much of anything for them. If we're smart, we should take advantage of the fact that we're one of a handful of teams not trying to compete and start selling the fringe pieces early. Plus a back of the rotation starter (one that isn't going to be impactful in October) is much more valuable to buyers in early June than late July. I really think it's key to set the market before teams like the Royals, who may hold off selling until they're certain they're out of the race, join the fray.

 

SP is always in demand, more so with the two additional playoff teams.

[southsider2k5]

This and we should be rooting for the Tigers and Royals. If Tigers fall out and make Verlander available... Royals could sell off Moutstakas, Cain and relievers.

 

Sounds like Verlander and Miggy could have already been had heading into last winter.

[shipps]

There is a hell of a lot that would have to fall into place for the perfect whitesox scenario. Its really not going to happen the way you want it to but thankfully no matter what happens Q is a beast of a starting pitcher with a great contract and provides great leadership. There are going to be other SP's that fall into play that will be available but there will be enough teams wanting it and not very many if any available that are a better pick up than Q. Teams trading for him have to be thinking about even further down the road than this season.

[OmarComing25]

This and we should be rooting for the Tigers and Royals. If Tigers fall out and make Verlander available... Royals could sell off Moutstakas, Cain and relievers.

Red Sox seem like a perfect fit for needing a 3B so we need the Royals to pick it up so they go after Frazier instead of Moustakas. Unfortunately I don't have any faith in them turning it around, they're bad.

[Bob Sacamano]

Red Sox seem like a perfect fit for needing a 3B so we need the Royals to pick it up so they go after Frazier instead of Moustakas. Unfortunately I don't have any faith in them turning it around, they're bad.

 

Yeah and Donaldson is another who could potentially be available this summer.

[harfman77]

This and we should be rooting for the Tigers and Royals. If Tigers fall out and make Verlander available... Royals could sell off Moutstakas, Cain and relievers.

 

 

Verlander and Q have way different markets. Verlander is owed $70M over the next 2.5 seasons with the opportunity to vest another $22M. Meanwhile has one more year of control at half the price. The teams interested in Verlander are not the teams that will be in on Q, those are the teams that are willing to eat money to preserve prospects. Those are the same teams that will be in on Greinke this summer.

 

Herrera is probably the one piece that either of those teams have that could directly impact the trade value of any of the guys the Sox are looking to move. Moose and Frazier are not similar players, Cain and Cabrera are pretty much opposites.

[Bob Sacamano]

Verlander and Q have way different markets. Verlander is owed $70M over the next 2.5 seasons with the opportunity to vest another $22M. Meanwhile has one more year of control at half the price. The teams interested in Verlander are not the teams that will be in on Q, those are the teams that are willing to eat money to preserve prospects. Those are the same teams that will be in on Greinke this summer.

 

Herrera is probably the one piece that either of those teams have that could directly impact the trade value of any of the guys the Sox are looking to move. Moose and Frazier are not similar players, Cain and Cabrera are pretty much opposites.

 

Tigers could eat money in a deal. Or the Dodgers, who let's face it, will be in the market for another good SP. They could take on the whole contract without giving up a huge haul.

Edited May 3, 2017 by soxfan2014

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah I agree with you. Looks like Mets are going to fall off too and they could have been in the 3B market. On the bright side KC should be absolutely awful when the Sox are primed to contend again. KC has maybe the least longterm assets in all of baseball. No real locked up young talent and one of the worst farm systems.

 

Same for the Giants. It's sucks there aren't a lot of fits for Melky and Frazier.

[harfman77]

Red Sox seem like a perfect fit for needing a 3B so we need the Royals to pick it up so they go after Frazier instead of Moustakas. Unfortunately I don't have any faith in them turning it around, they're bad.

 

They still have Panda and Holt as in house options once they heal up to bridge the gap to Devers.

[steveno89]

Tigers could eat money in a deal. Or the Dodgers, who let's face it, will be in the market for another good SP. They could take on the whole contract without giving up a huge haul.

 

Teams might be leery about the huge amount of mileage on Verlander's arm in his age 34 season. I'm not saying he doesn't have anything left in the tank, but eventually those innings catch up to players in their mid thirties and they start to wear down

 

I actually see Quintana being shopped during the offseason unless a contender makes a really good offer at the deadline

[daggins]

TEX will probably trade Yu, which makes moving Q a real trick. I do think it was a mistake not to trade him, whether he has a good season or not, but here we are.

[harfman77]

I disagree. Both arms will be sought by contending teams who are short on pitching and who want a TOR arm. The cost may be very different I'll say that. Teams like the Cubs, Yankees, Dodgers and maybe Houston aren't going to be scared off by the money Verlander is owed. The Sox will have an advantage if the market was teams like the St. Louis, Pittsburgh and Colorado.

 

No one ever said that any players were directly comparable. Players play the same roles. Moose and Frazier are similar players in the sense that they both play 3B. Teams that need a 3B will be in the market for those two guys. Because one is better or does different things doesn't mean anything other than they'll be preferred/more expensive.

 

The bolded is my point. The Sox have the flexibility to make a trade with some prospect rich teams that can't afford to take on a lot of money. The Dodgers would be the favorite for Verlander due to their propensity to eat money to hold on to prospects, the Angels, Mariners, and Orioles would be in play due to their ability to take on money and the lack of elite prospects to make a deal. The Cubs are probably out on Q for non baseball related reasons.

 

The Sox have no inclination to move Q for salary relief while that is a driver behind the trades of Verlander and Greinke. Q will bring back a prospect package that dwarfs what Verlander and Greinke get and there are not many teams that can meet that price.

 

There will be some overlap in the form of the Yankees and Astros, but for the most part, the teams involved will likely be very different.

 

Moose is a LH bat but more of a defense first player with little in the way of power at the position, Frazier is a RH power bat that has a passable glove, yes, they can both play 3B but what they provide a team is very different.

 

 

[daggins]

They're both injured. Sandoval sucks. Holt is a bench player who just suffered another possibly concussion related setback. The Red Sox are trying to win a championship and their GM is Dave Dombrowski. They're going to improve everywhere they can and as far as the lineup goes, 3B is their obvious, big need.

 

We can only hope Moose cools off, or that Frazier ups his BA. BOS needs power badly, but Frazier doesn't offer much besides that.

[username]

Not sure I understand the pessimism on Q's market here guys:

 

1) The teams that are the best fits for Q (i.e. the Yankees, Cubs?, Pirates, Astros, Braves) were never as likely to look at rentals. They were looking for young cost-controlled guys, and I see little reason that those arms will be available.

 

2) Yes, the Pirates, Cardinals, Giants, and Blue Jays struggling might mean more pitching is available...but I'm really doubting any of them blow it up besides the Pirates....and they're 2 games out. Do you really think guys like Aaron Sanchez are going to get traded just because the Blue Jays had a bad month?

 

3) Some of the teams with real minor league talent and a lack of pitching look close to competing, if not ready to actually compete (the Rockies, Brewers, etc.). The Yankees are vastly exceeding expectations, and with guys like Judge succeeding they might have excess position talent to sell.

 

4) The Rays are in the thick of it, and thus Archer probably stays put. Sonny Gray just came back from injury, too. Once again, I don't see much in the way of cost-controlled available arms, besides maybe Cole.

 

5) The Dodgers are being pushed in the West, and Rich Hill can't stay healthy. Urias has also been babied. They very well might need a #2.

Edited May 3, 2017 by Username

[hi8is]

The Nationals and Red Sox have had evaluators watching White Sox players, CBS Chicago’s Bruce Levine reports. Both clubs have been scouting Jose Quintana, while the Nationals continue to have interest in closer David Robertson, and Levine figures the Sox could also be looking at Todd Frazier to address their need at third base. Chicago already completed major trades with both teams this past winter, of course, in deals that sent Adam Eaton to Washington and Chris Sale to Boston, so there is already a great deal of familiarity between these organizations. Quintana would fill the Nats’ revolving door in the fifth starter’s spot, though obtaining Robertson to help their struggling bullpen seems like the more pressing fit. The Red Sox could use Quintana and Frazier, though they seem likely to wait to see how David Price and their internal third base options return before deciding if upgrades are necessary.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/05/east...p;post-id=92256

 

Yea... it's Levine.

[maggsmaggs]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/05/east...p;post-id=92256

 

Yea... it's Levine.

I honestly cannot remember the last time he broke any news or any of his "rumors" turned out to be true down the road. I take his information with the same amount of skepticism as some random dude on Twitter.

Edited May 15, 2017 by maggsmaggs

[iamshack]

I honestly cannot remember the last time he broke any news or any of his "rumors" turned out to be true down the road. I take his information with the same amount of skepticism as some random dude on Twitter.

I view random dudes on Twitter as more credible, as I at least have no idea of their motives for tweeting.

[Bob Sacamano]

I can't see the Red Sox wanting to give up even more of their prospects. But for discussion purposes, what would a Quintana Frazier package look like? I assume Devers, Groome, Travis to start.

Edited May 15, 2017 by soxfan2014

[YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES!]

I can't see the Red Sox wanting to give up even more of their prospects.

Me either. I'd be shocked if Q went there. Q would be a nice addition for them but that would mean that they'd be giving the White Sox almost their entire system between the Sale/Q deals and I don't think that will happen.

[Bob Sacamano]

Me either. I'd be shocked if Q went there. Q would be a nice addition for them but that would mean that they'd be giving the White Sox almost their entire system between the Sale/Q deals and I don't think that will happen.

 

Yeah I don't think Q goes to Nats or Red Sox. Robertson to Nats and Frazier to Boston? Sure.

[oldsox]

Last night, several ESPN folks were babbling about Astros having such a great team and were certain buyers at the July trading deadline.