beautox Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 11, 2017 -> 12:33 PM) I still think the Yankees make the most sense for Quintana. Clint Frazier is having a nice year and is completely expendable for them. Obviously there would have to be other pieces, but I think a deal makes too much sense for both sides. The Yankees make a lot of sense but Frazier is in their immediate future, baby bombers and yankees in general are looking pretty good for 3-4 year window starting this year. DH Brett Gardner* - 33 and on the last year of his deal. C Gary Sanchez - 24 looking above average behind the dish under control for 5 years after '17 1B Greg Bird* - 24 has had some health issues and strike out issues but will get a chance to work through both of them. under control for 4 more years after '17. 2B Starling Castro - 27 looks to be back to delivering on his promise below average defensively at 2B under control for 3 years after '17 SS Didi Gregorius* - 28 above average defensively and under control for 2 more years after '17 3B Gleyber Torres - 20 has already begun seeing time at 3B full control. LF Clint Frazier - 22 likely destined for a corner where he will be average, full control as well. CF Aaron Hicks# - 28 what a steal for JR Murphy if this is for real under control for 2 more years. RF Aaron Judge - 26 under control for 4 years after this one Luis Severino is 23 and under control for 3 more years Masahiro Tanaka is 28 and if he doesn't opt out will be under control for 2 more years. Jordan Montgomery* is 24 and they'll have full control over him. their backed is locked up for at least two more years, Dellin Betances is a FA after 19, Chapman will be in the second year of his deal and Warren is a FA after '18. They will all be 30 starting next season as well. I could see the yankees QO Michael Pineda and buying out CC and bringing him back on a reduced deal. But as a whole Torres and Frazier appears to be the end of the yankees rebuild and they'll have vet back ups in Ellsbury and Headley if they need a break or stumble. Their only weakness is a TOR arm and a 5th starter provided Tanaka doesn't opt out and a solid back up catcher since Romine is garbage. having said all that i could see us matching up with them with something like Rutherford, Sheffield or Adams & Miguel Andujar for Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 11, 2017 -> 03:52 PM) The Yankees make a lot of sense but Frazier is in their immediate future, baby bombers and yankees in general are looking pretty good for 3-4 year window starting this year. DH Brett Gardner* - 33 and on the last year of his deal. C Gary Sanchez - 24 looking above average behind the dish under control for 5 years after '17 1B Greg Bird* - 24 has had some health issues and strike out issues but will get a chance to work through both of them. under control for 4 more years after '17. 2B Starling Castro - 27 looks to be back to delivering on his promise below average defensively at 2B under control for 3 years after '17 SS Didi Gregorius* - 28 above average defensively and under control for 2 more years after '17 3B Gleyber Torres - 20 has already begun seeing time at 3B full control. LF Clint Frazier - 22 likely destined for a corner where he will be average, full control as well. CF Aaron Hicks# - 28 what a steal for JR Murphy if this is for real under control for 2 more years. RF Aaron Judge - 26 under control for 4 years after this one Luis Severino is 23 and under control for 3 more years Masahiro Tanaka is 28 and if he doesn't opt out will be under control for 2 more years. Jordan Montgomery* is 24 and they'll have full control over him. their backed is locked up for at least two more years, Dellin Betances is a FA after 19, Chapman will be in the second year of his deal and Warren is a FA after '18. They will all be 30 starting next season as well. I could see the yankees QO Michael Pineda and buying out CC and bringing him back on a reduced deal. But as a whole Torres and Frazier appears to be the end of the yankees rebuild and they'll have vet back ups in Ellsbury and Headley if they need a break or stumble. Their only weakness is a TOR arm and a 5th starter provided Tanaka doesn't opt out and a solid back up catcher since Romine is garbage. having said all that i could see us matching up with them with something like Rutherford, Sheffield or Adams & Miguel Andujar for Q. You seem to have forgotten about the 4 remaining years on Ellsbury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jun 11, 2017 -> 04:23 PM) You seem to have forgotten about the 4 remaining years on Ellsbury. I guess that's one expensive 4th outfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Just don't see teams willing to pay a top of the rotation price for Q at this point. I also don't see the Sox accepting anything less. Trading for a guy having a good year on a 1 year contract is probably a more sound investment for a contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jun 11, 2017 -> 04:23 PM) You seem to have forgotten about the 4 remaining years on Ellsbury. Not at all, hes been riding the pine this year and will likely continue that trend going forward since he is still experiencing concussion symptoms. hes got a complete NTC and over 20mil guaranteed for the next 3 years before he can be bought out for 5mil. I see his career quickly going the same route as Carl Crawford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 11, 2017 -> 07:16 PM) Not at all, hes been riding the pine this year and will likely continue that trend going forward since he is still experiencing concussion symptoms. hes got a complete NTC and over 20mil guaranteed for the next 3 years before he can be bought out for 5mil. I see his career quickly going the same route as Carl Crawford. You forgot about Fowler and the fact they'll probably sign an impact OF (Harper perhaps) in free agency in the near future. Obviously they don't have to trade Frazier by any means, but they can afford to if it lands them a cost-controlled TOR starter. The problem is Quintana is not pitching like one right now and we'll probably have to wait until the offseason to move him (at the earliest) unless Q goes on a crazy run over the next weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 11, 2017 -> 08:43 PM) You forgot about Fowler and the fact they'll probably sign an impact OF (Harper perhaps) in free agency in the near future. Obviously they don't have to trade Frazier by any means, but they can afford to if it lands them a cost-controlled TOR starter. The problem is Quintana is not pitching like one right now and we'll probably have to wait until the offseason to move him (at the earliest) unless Q goes on a crazy run over the next weeks. No doubt they could move him or Fowler for a TOR but as you said Q isn't pitching at that level. Crazier things have happened Q could easily go on a run, hes got 8 starts before the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 11, 2017 -> 09:46 PM) No doubt they could move him or Fowler for a TOR but as you said Q isn't pitching at that level. Crazier things have happened Q could easily go on a run, hes got 8 starts before the deadline. Side note: What the heck are the Astros doing with Francis Martes??? He has been awful so far in AAA this season posting a 2.10 WHIP in 32 1/3 innings and they reward him with a call up? I get wanting to showcase a player, but they arguably are doing greater damage to the young player's value than helping it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesterday333 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 08:14 AM) Side note: What the heck are the Astros doing with Francis Martes??? He has been awful so far in AAA this season posting a 2.10 WHIP in 32 1/3 innings and they reward him with a call up? I get wanting to showcase a player, but they arguably are doing greater damage to the young player's value than helping it. Maybe they just want him to work with their pitching coach in the majors. He has definitely struggled though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 11, 2017 -> 03:52 PM) The Yankees make a lot of sense but Frazier is in their immediate future, baby bombers and yankees in general are looking pretty good for 3-4 year window starting this year. ... having said all that i could see us matching up with them with something like Rutherford, Sheffield or Adams & Miguel Andujar for Q. Frazier being part of the team's immediate future has no bearing whatsoever. I think they would gladly reallocate that "immediate future" asset from "possible starting OF" to "definite TOR starter." For me, it would have to be two of Frazier/Rutherford/Fowler plus Andujar for Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 I can't believe we're still on this merry go round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 12:12 PM) I can't believe we're still on this merry go round He'll be traded by the WBC, remember? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Astros are now without Keuchel and McCullers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 01:43 PM) Astros are now without Keuchel and McCullers. Astros very well will need a reliable starter for a stretch run. I think they are waiting until after the draft and next few weeks go before deciding to more seriously pursue a trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 What a wasted opportunity. If Q was doing well this season it would be an easy trade for both the Astros and White Sox with what is going on to their rotation. Q gets soft and everything messes up. I doubt he gets moved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 02:25 PM) What a wasted opportunity. If Q was doing well this season it would be an easy trade for both the Astros and White Sox with what is going on to their rotation. Q gets soft and everything messes up. I doubt he gets moved I do think if he has a strong next 8 starts something will come together but with how off his command has been this year unfortunately I don't have a lot of faith in that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 02:25 PM) What a wasted opportunity. If Q was doing well this season it would be an easy trade for both the Astros and White Sox with what is going on to their rotation. Q gets soft and everything messes up. I doubt he gets moved I understand general disappointment about Q underperforming this year, but I don't see how it affects a potential deal with the Astros. The Astros had their shot over the winter and clearly didn't seem to value Q all that much in the first place, given their long list of "untouchables" and underwhelming offers. Even if Q were pitching well, the Astros would be a tough match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 03:26 PM) I understand general disappointment about Q underperforming this year, but I don't see how it affects a potential deal with the Astros. The Astros had their shot over the winter and clearly didn't seem to value Q all that much in the first place, given their long list of "untouchables" and underwhelming offers. Even if Q were pitching well, the Astros would be a tough match. Really depends. The Astros are very much a contender this year and have had injury issues with starting pitchers. Quintana could be a reliable rotation piece moving forward that could help solidify their rotation the next 3 1/2 seasons at a reasonable contract cost? The Astros have a pretty stocked farm system, but they also have quite a few players that are blocked from reaching the mlb level and who's value will dwindle if they are not moved. AJ Reed, Colin Moran and JD Davis are all not getting any younger, plus they are blocked. Depth is great, but each of them are 24+ years old. None have tremendous value, but certainly could be a piece to acquiring pitching help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 If Q were normal Q, I feel like Hahn would have the Astros and Yankees on separate lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Meh...all this doom and gloom about Quintana. Honestly...look at his starts tho. It's not like he's getting stellar run support by any means. He's given up more than 4 runs twice...in back to back crappy outings against Boston and AZ (and AZ rakes at home...best record in baseball at home). Besides that: 4 runs- 1 time (L) 3 runs- 3 times 2-(L) 1-No decision 2 runs- 1 time (W) 1 run- 2 times Both No decisions 0 runs- 1 time (W) Correct me if I missed something here. So honestly the guy has only had 2 really bad outings this year. Given his track record...durability...and affordability as well as control...you'd be nuts to think teams won't be calling Hahn. Let's not let this 2-8 record you...he hasn't pitched that awful bad. You don't settle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 QUOTE (Wanne @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 04:47 PM) Meh...all this doom and gloom about Quintana. Honestly...look at his starts tho. It's not like he's getting stellar run support by any means. He's given up more than 4 runs twice...in back to back crappy outings against Boston and AZ (and AZ rakes at home...best record in baseball at home). Besides that: 4 runs- 1 time (L) 3 runs- 3 times 2-(L) 1-No decision 2 runs- 1 time (W) 1 run- 2 times Both No decisions 0 runs- 1 time (W) Correct me if I missed something here. So honestly the guy has only had 2 really bad outings this year. Given his track record...durability...and affordability as well as control...you'd be nuts to think teams won't be calling Hahn. Let's not let this 2-8 record you...he hasn't pitched that awful bad. You don't settle. Quintana's FIP of 4.14 really is not that bad, and shows that he has been the victim of some bad luck. 3 1/2 seasons of reasonable control on a left handed quality starter with a good health record should not come cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soha Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 04:55 PM) Quintana's FIP of 4.14 really is not that bad, and shows that he has been the victim of some bad luck. 3 1/2 seasons of reasonable control on a left handed quality starter with a good health record should not come cheap I don't know why we keep sugar-coating this. Quintana has pitched like garbage this year. He's afraid of throwing strikes, particularly when he gets 2 strikes on the hitter. He nibbles and they aren't chasing anything he throws outside of the zone. Yes he's an awesome asset moving forward, but no playoff bound team in their right mind would want anything to do with him right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 McCullers to the DL, again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 QUOTE (Wanne @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 10:47 PM) Meh...all this doom and gloom about Quintana. Honestly...look at his starts tho. It's not like he's getting stellar run support by any means. He's given up more than 4 runs twice...in back to back crappy outings against Boston and AZ (and AZ rakes at home...best record in baseball at home). Besides that: 4 runs- 1 time (L) 3 runs- 3 times 2-(L) 1-No decision 2 runs- 1 time (W) 1 run- 2 times Both No decisions 0 runs- 1 time (W) Correct me if I missed something here. So honestly the guy has only had 2 really bad outings this year. Given his track record...durability...and affordability as well as control...you'd be nuts to think teams won't be calling Hahn. Let's not let this 2-8 record you...he hasn't pitched that awful bad. You don't settle. Man, good job of trying to sell him. The guy is 2-8 with an ERA of over 5.00. He's been pathetic and will get us very very little in return. I realize the advanced stats are loving on him, but ... QUOTE (Soha @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 11:31 PM) I don't know why we keep sugar-coating this. Quintana has pitched like garbage this year. He's afraid of throwing strikes, particularly when he gets 2 strikes on the hitter. He nibbles and they aren't chasing anything he throws outside of the zone. Yes he's an awesome asset moving forward, but no playoff bound team in their right mind would want anything to do with him right now. AMEN! He's been awful and no team is giving up much for Q. Sox fans who love trades are gonna have to accept the fact the team is one of the worst in baseball for a reason. Our players suck (and our manager loves to bunt). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 David 12:20 Who would you guess the Cubs and Astros will target? Dave Cameron 12:21 Astros still most likely Quintana buyer. Cubs probably more look for cheaper back-end guy unless Darvish becomes available. Charlie 12:22 Thanks for the chat. Is a Jose Quintana for Corey Ray swap reasonable? The Brewers get a starter they can afford long term (assuming he turns it around) and the Sox get a guy who not only makes baseball sense, but is the most famous graduate of their ace program, so I'm sure there's a lot of desire to add him. Or am I being too romantic? Dave Cameron 12:22 Quintana is worth a lot more than just Ray. link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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