The Sir Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 12, 2017 -> 07:55 AM) A single + SB is not equal to a double, you can't score a runner from first on a single and a SB. Fair point. So, why not factor that in? Come up with a quotient to temper it. What percentage of doubles in the last three years have not scored a runner from first? Take that and multiply it by the amount added to SLG by SBs. Add that to the normal SLG, add OBP and voila. So, let's say 80% of doubles in the last three years have not scored a runner from first (scoring a runner from second or third doesn't matter because singles could do that). Looking at Hamilton again: (((50+17 (TB + SB diff))/139 (ABs)) - .360 (SLG))*.8=.098 .671 (OPS)+.098 = .769 SBOPS (thanks soxfan2014!) Maybe I'm being ridiculous. But I still think this is every bit as fair and worthwhile as WAR or other things we talk about nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Wouldn't it be better just to add something like wSB to wRAA? Does that give too much credence to wSB in that situation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Bob NightengaleVerified account @BNightengale 3m3 minutes ago Familia will be out several months, and it's unknown whether he'll return this year, #Mets GM Sandy Alderson announces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ May 12, 2017 -> 12:53 PM) Wouldn't it be better just to add something like wSB to wRAA? Does that give too much credence to wSB in that situation? Could you expand on that? I don't know either of those measures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 12, 2017 -> 09:55 AM) A single + SB is not equal to a double, you can't score a runner from first on a single and a SB. And in the same vein, you can score someone from 2nd with a single and then promptly getting caught stealing. I had this same thought several years back and came to the same conclusions. Frankly, it's best to try and figure out what players do invidually throughout their time on the field (batting, baserunning, fielding, and pitching) and then use a cumulative number to try and gauge that player's value, which is how we come up with WAR. How to actually quantify those comes under scrutiny, because there are things it does not account for that perhaps it could, but they are always looking to improve their methodology in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 12, 2017 -> 04:47 PM) And in the same vein, you can score someone from 2nd with a single and then promptly getting caught stealing. I had this same thought several years back and came to the same conclusions. Frankly, it's best to try and figure out what players do invidually throughout their time on the field (batting, baserunning, fielding, and pitching) and then use a cumulative number to try and gauge that player's value, which is how we come up with WAR. How to actually quantify those comes under scrutiny, because there are things it does not account for that perhaps it could, but they are always looking to improve their methodology in that regard. The funny thing is Fangraphs once had a hitting + SB stat in wOBA however they removed SB and CS years ago for, I believe, the very reason you mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 QUOTE (StrykerSox @ May 12, 2017 -> 04:22 PM) Could you expand on that? I don't know either of those measures. http://www.fangraphs.com/library/offense/wsb/ It's combined with UBR and wGDP to create BsR which makes up the baserunning portion of fWAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 But speed tends to be over-reflected in defensive WAR and less so offensively (and yes, there are great defenders who are not objectively "fast" in the OF). Is that not a fair statement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 @c_blessing #Nationals prospect Carter Kieboom helped off field. Feet got tangled at 1B bag. Reached for hammy. Could be out a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 (edited) Gallo is killing it. Adam Dunn Jr. 118 AB 54 SO 16 BB 12 HR 27 RBI Edited May 13, 2017 by hi8is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Cody Bellinger.. wanted that kid (along with Verdugo +) in the Q rumors. He's is off to a great start so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 QUOTE (SoxAce @ May 13, 2017 -> 05:19 AM) Cody Bellinger.. wanted that kid (along with Verdugo +) in the Q rumors. He's is off to a great start so far. Was just thinking that nobody, not on MLB network, is talking about CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 QUOTE (Brian @ May 13, 2017 -> 04:27 AM) Was just thinking that nobody, not on MLB network, is talking about CB. Dudes swing is a trip. Upright as a board! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Rangers have won 6 in a row and are just one game under .500 now. There's been a lot of Darvish trade talk lately so hopefully they keep playing well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 (edited) Every team in the AL is within 3.5 games of the 2nd wildcard. Seven NL teams are 4 or more games out of the 2nd wildcard. Edited May 15, 2017 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Freeman out at least 8 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juddling Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ May 18, 2017 -> 01:42 PM) Freeman out at least 8 weeks. And my last chances of a decent fantasy season goes down for 2-3 months......the dude was off to a great start this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Benintendi with a double. Breaks his 0-26. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Notice Turner, Bregman and Swanson are all struggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Sale tied his record of 8 straight starts with at least 10 strikeouts he got a ND. He is averaging 109 pitches a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 So Tyler Flowers is now hitting .360 with strong BB and K% in over 100 PA for the Braves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 TR SullivanVerified account @Sullivan_Ranger 1h1 hour ago Daniels said Adrian Beltre could head to extended Spring Training this weekend to start getting at-bats.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Adam BerryVerified account @adamdberry 48m48 minutes ago Jameson Taillon threw a 25-pitch bullpen session today, head athletic trainer Todd Tomczyk said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ May 23, 2017 -> 01:20 PM) So Tyler Flowers is now hitting .360 with strong BB and K% in over 100 PA for the Braves. Avila was taking in the early season as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Buster OlneyVerified account @Buster_ESPN 1h1 hour ago Padres recently reaffirmed to other teams that they continue to be open for business; primary guy on the table is LH reliever Brad Hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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