Bob Sacamano Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) Very bored at work in my cubicle. Figured it would be fun. I'll get this posted and come back and edit my roster throughout the day haha Catchers: Narvaez, Soto Infield: Abreu, Saladino, Frazier, Anderson, Sanchez (out of options), Davidson (out of options). Outfield: Cabrera, Liriano, A. Garcia, Bourjos, L. Garcia (also IF), Asche 1. Anderson SS 2. Saladino 2B 3. Abreu 1B 4. Cabrera LF 5. Frazier 3B 6. A. Garcia RF 7. Asche/Davidson DH 8. Narvaez C (Soto against lefties) 9. Bourjos/L. Garcia CF Bench: Soto/Narvaez C Sanchez IF Davidson/Asche L. Garcia IF/OF Starting Rotation: Quintana Rodon Gonzalez Holland Shields Bullpen: MR Luebke MR Ynoa MR Petricka MR Putnam SU Jennings SU Jones CL Robertson Edited March 22, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) Shields may be cut before Opening Day. It almost looks like he is intentionally pitching poorly so he can get an early paid retirement. It is really hard to watch his nonchalant attitude and lack of competitive demeanor. That is what the Padres Owner got angry with him about in the first place. No way should the Sox have traded for him. So please, go ahead and cut Shields. That would actually help the pitching staff by not having to cover the remaining innings in games where he gets the hook early. Quntana, Rodon, Miguel Gonzales, Giolito, Lopez, Fulmer, and Holland (and maybe others) are all better options than Shields for the starting rotation. And unlike Shields, every one of them truly wants to win every game they pitch. The Sox made a mistake last season by having John Danks in the rotation to start the season because they were reticient to cut a guy they owed millions of dollars to. So they eventually had to cut him and pay him, but Danks left us with several losses to boot, including the Opening Day loss. Don't make the same mistake. Bite the bullet, eat his salary, and release him. Edited March 7, 2017 by miracleon35th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 02:44 PM) Shields may be cut before Opening Day. It almost looks like he is intentionally pitching poorly so he can get an early paid retirement. It is really hard to watch his nonchalant attitude and lack of competitive demeanor. That is what the Padres Owner got angry with him about in the first place. No way should the Sox have traded for him. So please, go ahead and cut Shields. That would actually help the pitching staff by not having to cover the remaining innings in games where he gets the hook early. Quntana, Rodon, Miguel Gonzales, Giolito, Lopez, Fulmer, and Holland (and maybe others) are all better options than Shields for the starting rotation. And unlike Shields, every one of them truly wants to win every game they pitch. The Sox made a mistake last season by having John Danks in the rotation to start the sesson because they were reticient to cut a guy they owed millions of dollars to. So they eventually had to cut him and pay him, but Danks left us with several losses to boot, including the Opening Day loss. Don't make the same mistake. Bite the bullet, eat his salary, and release him. This won't happen. He is going to be out there getting shelled so we can hold off on rushing Giolito, Lopez, and Fulmer and also delaying a year of service time on them. And I forgot who the tweet was from (it was posted here somewhere) but Rodon may not even be ready by Opening Day. Edited March 7, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 02:50 PM) This won't happen. He is going to be out there getting shelled so we can hold off on rushing Giolito, Lopez, and Fulmer and also delaying a year of service time on them. And I forgot who the tweet was from (it was posted here somewhere) but Rodon may not even be ready by Opening Day. They are not going to cut Shields, no matter how bad he is this season Sox still owe him about $10 million this year and next and are not going to flush $20 million down the drain while rebuilding. He needs to eat innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 02:56 PM) They are not going to cut Shields, no matter how bad he is this season Sox still owe him about $10 million this year and next and are not going to flush $20 million down the drain while rebuilding. He needs to eat innings. You missed the point. Shields is not an innings eater. It is exactly the opposite. And he doesn't really want to pitch any more. You cannot have a loser like that on the mound and expect to sell tickets. Even John Danks was trying to win every game he pitched in. Shields has to go. The sooner better....and that has nothing to do with rebuilding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 04:10 PM) You missed the point. Shields is not an innings eater. It is exactly the opposite. And he doesn't really want to pitch any more. You cannot have a loser like that on the mound and expect to sell tickets. Even John Danks was trying to win every game he pitched in. Shields has to go. The sooner better....and that has nothing to do with rebuilding. And you know this...how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 We're going to have an awesome pick next draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 03:16 PM) And you know this...how? My opinion which is shared by a lot of people, including Ron Fowler, the Padres Executive Chairman. http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-white-so...itical-comments Oh, did you watch any of Shields starts for the White Sox last season or his start on Spring Training yesterday or his interview after that? http://www.csnchicago.com/video/shields-i-...ht-i-was-decent There is a train of thought that the Sox should lose as many games as possible. Even for those who subscribe to that theory of rebuilding, you do not want to burn up the arms of our pitching staff covering for this guy and you never want to field players that look like they aren't giving maximum effort, or sloughing off questions after poor performance. He's gotta go, at least in my opinion. Let's agree to disagree and see how this works out one way or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 03:34 PM) Stop. Stop discussion about baseball? On what basis are you issuing that order? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 Well this thread sucks and I instantly regret creating it lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 04:42 PM) My opinion which is shared by a lot of people, including Ron Fowler, the Padres Executive Chairman. http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-white-so...itical-comments Oh, did you watch any of Shields starts for the White Sox last season or his start on Spring Training yesterday or his interview after that? http://www.csnchicago.com/video/shields-i-...ht-i-was-decent There is a train of thought that the Sox should lose as many games as possible. Even for those who subscribe to that theory of rebuilding, you do not want to burn up the arms of our pitching staff covering for this guy and you never want to field players that look like they aren't giving maximum effort, or sloughing off questions after poor performance. He's gotta go, at least in my opinion. Let's agree to disagree and see how this works out one way or another. None of the links you provided take us to a place supporting your assertion that Shields doesn't want to pitch any longer. They take you to a place where we can read the Padres' owner's unhappiness with his actual performance last season, but nothing about a desire to stop playing baseball. So let's not conflate Shields' talent at this stage in his career and the results therein with what may or may not be going on in his mind about wanting to continue on in Major League baseball, because neither you, nor I, or anyone else is able to know that unless he flat out comes out and says so, which he has not. Edited March 7, 2017 by Thad Bosley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 05:57 PM) Well this thread sucks and I instantly regret creating it lol it was worth it just for the Shields bashing. I f***ing hate that guy. FWIW he was arrogant as f*** during the games I went to in Phoenix last week. Didn't sign any autographs, didn't acknowledge the fans, and generally just looked like he had a stick up his ass the entire game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 03:59 PM) it was worth it just for the Shields bashing. I f***ing hate that guy. FWIW he was arrogant as f*** during the games I went to in Phoenix last week. Didn't sign any autographs, didn't acknowledge the fans, and generally just looked like he had a stick up his ass the entire game. This happens in almost every thread regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Didn't understand or like the Shields trade but it is what it is. IMHO, the Sox need Shields for the time being. As of now it looks like the five rotation pitchers will be Q, Rodon, Holland, Shields and Covey. When one of Giolito, Lopez , Fulmer become ready I think Covey is first to go. When the second pitcher becomes ready he will probably replace Q if/when he is traded. When the third of those three is ready, that's when you cut bait on Shields. It's going to be painful to watch but just use and abuse Shields to help buy some time for the younger pitchers. He will also be playing an important role in helping the team get a high 2018 1St round pick, so there's that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I hope we win 50 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 04:14 PM) Didn't understand or like the Shields trade but it is what it is. IMHO, the Sox need Shields for the time being. As of now it looks like the five rotation pitchers will be Q, Rodon, Holland, Shields and Covey. When one of Giolito, Lopez , Fulmer become ready I think Covey is first to go. When the second pitcher becomes ready he will probably replace Q if/when he is traded. When the third of those three is ready, that's when you cut bait on Shields. It's going to be painful to watch but just use and abuse Shields to help buy some time for the younger pitchers. He will also be playing an important role in helping the team get a high 2018 1St round pick, so there's that. Weren't you the one who forgot Gonzalez last time as well? haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 04:20 PM) I hope we win 50 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 04:20 PM) I hope we win 50 games. If the Sox stick with Shields and give him 30+ starts I honestly feel like Shields is a 20-25 game loser. The Sox don't have another player that can pound for pound of s*** give you that kind of production towards a high 2018 draft pick. Think of Shields as the base fertilizer (poop) for the June 2018 flower the Sox will pick. Makes me think of rainbow ejaculating unicorns. Sorry back to the thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 09:57 AM) Very bored at work in my cubicle. Figured it would be fun. I'll get this posted and come back and edit my roster throughout the day haha Catchers: Narvaez, Soto Infield: Abreu, Saladino, Frazier, Anderson, Sanchez (out of options), L. Garcia (also serves as OF depth) Outfield: Cabrera, Tilson (assuming healthy), A. Garcia, Bourjos, Asche (chunk of DH at bats against righties, out of options, short leash if Davidson, Hayes, or Delmonico is hitting) Vs RHP: 1. Anderson SS 2. Tilson CF 3. Abreu 1B 4. Cabrera LF 5. Frazier 3B 6. Garcia RF 7. Asche DH (short leash as explained above) 8. Saladino 2B 9. Narvaez C Vs LHP: 1. Anderson SS 2. Tilson CF 3. Abreu 1B 4. Cabrera LF 5. Frazier 3B 6. Garcia DH 7. Soto C 8. Saladino 2B 9. Bourjos RF Starting Rotation: Quintana (assuming not dealt by OD) Rodon (assuming he is healthy, otherwise Covey or Beck in rotation) Gonzalez Holland Shields Bullpen: LR Covey/Beck (depending on Rodon health) MR Soto/Luebke (second lefty) MR Petricka MR Putnam SU Jennings SU Jones CL Robertson I wanted to keep Ynoa on this staff, but I figured I would keep a long-reliever on here. Not sure if he has options or not. Covey is a Rule-5 guy so unless he starts in rotation due to someone being hurt, I have him in pen. Soto I have as a second lefty. Ynoa is out of options. Soto (RP) still has options. That might change the way that plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 04:24 PM) Weren't you the one who forgot Gonzalez last time as well? haha Ha ha , no s***. Don't know why I keep forgetting about him. Oops.DOH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 04:20 PM) I hope we win 50 games. They'll win 50 games, but then they'll probably win a few more on top of that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Shields' job in 2017 is to get f***ing shelled every start and allow the young pitchers to develop in the minors. I don't care if the Sox make him start every other game, he's crucial in the tanking effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 05:41 PM) They'll win 50 games, but then they'll probably win a few more on top of that too. AL Central is probably worst division in baseball. I think Sox win 60ish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Mar 7, 2017 -> 09:44 PM) Shields may be cut before Opening Day. It almost looks like he is intentionally pitching poorly so he can get an early paid retirement. It is really hard to watch his nonchalant attitude and lack of competitive demeanor. That is what the Padres Owner got angry with him about in the first place. No way should the Sox have traded for him. So please, go ahead and cut Shields. That would actually help the pitching staff by not having to cover the remaining innings in games where he gets the hook early. Quntana, Rodon, Miguel Gonzales, Giolito, Lopez, Fulmer, and Holland (and maybe others) are all better options than Shields for the starting rotation. And unlike Shields, every one of them truly wants to win every game they pitch. The Sox made a mistake last season by having John Danks in the rotation to start the season because they were reticient to cut a guy they owed millions of dollars to. So they eventually had to cut him and pay him, but Danks left us with several losses to boot, including the Opening Day loss. Don't make the same mistake. Bite the bullet, eat his salary, and release him. The White Sox should reprimand all scouts who had any say in acquiring Shields. As cheap as the Sox are, they sure throw away a lot of money due to bad decisions. QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 12:00 AM) Shields' job in 2017 is to get f***ing shelled every start and allow the young pitchers to develop in the minors. I don't care if the Sox make him start every other game, he's crucial in the tanking effort. Then why not let you pitch or Fathom or Caulfield? Just sign some independent league guys to make sure we lose. I can't imagine anybody with a brain paying money to go to any game Shields pitches at the Cell. Same with Holland for that matter. Why would you pay good money to see those stiffs pitch?? I can't believe those of you who love the draft trust our front office to draft impact player(s). There have been so many busts in the past or guys not worthy of being a No. 1 pick. Just look at the Sox history. Edited March 7, 2017 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesoxa6 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I kind of hope the sox won't finish last in the mlb because i dont see us drafting Seth Beer 1-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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