Chicago White Sox Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 08:19 AM) That bench is missing whoever isn't starting behind the dish that day (Soto/Narvaez). Also gotta factor in who may be DHing (could be Davidson). See my other post. My guess is we'll be using a rotating DH with guys like Abreu & Avi getting some time there, but with Davidson the primary guy the rest of the time. That leaves three bench spots on top of Soto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 09:15 AM) See my other post. My guess is we'll be using a rotating DH with guys like Abreu & Avi getting some time there, but with Davidson the primary guy the rest of the time. That leaves three bench spots on top of Soto. Ah gotcha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 09:09 AM) Haven't read a post of this thread so this may be redundant but: C: Narvaez/Smith 1B: Abreu 2B: Saladino/Sanchez 3B: Frazier SS: Anderson LF: Cabrera CF: Tilson/L. Garcia RF: A. Garcia DH: Davidson/Hayes (RH/LH platoon, because I had 24 players and needed another) SP: Quintana, Rodon, Shields, Gonzalez, Holland RP: Robertson, Jones, Jennings, Ynoa, Putnam, Petricka, Burdi You think Burdi will make the team out of Spring Training? That would be interesting to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 09:09 AM) Haven't read a post of this thread so this may be redundant but: C: Narvaez/Smith 1B: Abreu 2B: Saladino/Sanchez 3B: Frazier SS: Anderson LF: Cabrera CF: Tilson/L. Garcia RF: A. Garcia DH: Davidson/Hayes (RH/LH platoon, because I had 24 players and needed another) SP: Quintana, Rodon, Shields, Gonzalez, Holland RP: Robertson, Jones, Jennings, Ynoa, Putnam, Petricka, Burdi I think Soto and Bourjos are basically on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 09:37 AM) I think Soto and Bourjos are basically on the team. I'd say those two are givens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 06:23 AM) DH, 3B, & 1B. Like it or not, he's probably making the team because he's out of options. The Sox will likely do whatever it takes to preserve depth, so guys like him, Sanchez, L. Garcia, Ynoa, etc. will get first cracks at spots, although I'd expect Davidson to get a very short leash. Delmonico is a similar player positionally (weaker at 3B though), but has a left-handed and projects as the better hitter in the the majors IMO. I'm not Davidson believer by any means, but I think we're better off giving him a two month addition and allowing Delmonico a bit more time in AAA. Of all the fringe, near major league ready prospects in the system, Delmonico is the one guy who I think has a real chance at developing into more than just a bench piece and I see no reason to rush him at the moment. I don't mind give Davidson a chance but I admit that my expectations are low. Didn't know Davidson is out of options so thanks for that info. Here's the options I see where Davidson fits into the lineup. 1) Frazier 3B, Abreu 1B, Davidson DH, Melky LF, Avi RF. The obvious problem here is with Davidson at DH it puts Melky and Avi in the outfield together and we already know how bad that is. 2) Davidson 3B, Frazier 1B, Abreu DH, Melky LF, Avi RF. Abreu and Frazier can flip back and forth between the DH and 1B position which should help keep both players healthy. But the same problem exists with Melky and Avi in the OF together. To me, the obvious answer to the problem is to DFA Avi ( I think he has an option left). If he accepts, he goes to Charlotte and if not he becomes a FA. No big loss either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 LINEUP SS Anderson 2B Saladino 1B Abreu LF Cabrera 3B Frazier DH Avisail RF Bourjos CF Tilson (I'm assuming he will be healthy here) C Narvaez BENCH Soto (C, as a platoon with Narvaez) Sanchez (middle INF) Liriano (OF) Davidson (corner INF) ROTATION Quintana Rodon Shields Gonzalez Holland BULLPEN Robertson Jones Jennings (L) Putnam Petricka Covey Ynoa or Soto (L) or Luebke (L) - I can't decide Other possibilities: Hayes or Delmonico, especially if one of the outfielders gets hurt or Tilson doesn't recover. Rotation is basically 100% solid, but if someone gets hurt before OD, could be Fulmer. I am still baffled by people who want Leury on the team. He'll be 26 tomorrow so he's still young-ish, and he's fast. But he's booked 155 games across 4 seasons with a .462 OPS, and while he plays all over, he isn't particularly good defensively anywhere. Why carry a pinch runner, on a rebuilding team? I'd rather get a look at someone like Liriano, who might be part of a future. Heck even Delmonico or Hayes have more interest for me. If you have to lose Liriano or Leury to waivers, I'd rather risk Leury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Sox still seem a bit right handed so I will predict they give up on Davidson and one of Hayes or Delmonico makes the team primarily as a DH .Problem is neither Hayes or Delmonico is very versatile but both provide needed LH power. Hayes is also pretty good at drawing walks. I think Rymer Liriano is a sleeper pick. He missed a lot of development time with that HBP that broke his face. He might not make the Sox but if he starts hot at AAA we could see him quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 I'm going 13 pitchers to start. OF- Cabrera, Tilson, Garcia, Bourjos IF- Frazier, Anderson, Saladino, Sanchez, Abreu, Davidson C- Narvaez, Soto SP- Quintana, Shields, Holland, Gonzalez, Rodon BP- Covey, Ynoa, Luebke, Petricka, Putnam, Jennings, Jones, Robertson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 09:36 AM) I'm going 13 pitchers to start. OF- Cabrera, Tilson, Garcia, Bourjos IF- Frazier, Anderson, Saladino, Sanchez, Abreu, Davidson C- Narvaez, Soto SP- Quintana, Shields, Holland, Gonzalez, Rodon BP- Covey, Ynoa, Luebke, Petricka, Putnam, Jennings, Jones, Robertson Rodon likely isn't making a start until 5th or 6th game (per Levine). I expect him to start on dl and for them to carry an extra reliever (break camp with 4 starters and 8 or 9 relievers sending one down when Rodon starts 5th game?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 09:44 AM) Rodon likely isn't making a start until 5th or 6th game (per Levine). I expect him to start on dl and for them to carry an extra reliever (break camp with 4 starters and 8 or 9 relievers sending one down when Rodon starts 5th game?). When does the DL open up, and will it leave time for that to work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 09:50 AM) When does the DL open up, and will it leave time for that to work? I'm not sure but they did that with Sale. Put him on the dl and brought him back to start what the 5th or 6th game that season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 10:36 AM) I'm going 13 pitchers to start. OF- Cabrera, Tilson, Garcia, Bourjos IF- Frazier, Anderson, Saladino, Sanchez, Abreu, Davidson C- Narvaez, Soto SP- Quintana, Shields, Holland, Gonzalez, Rodon BP- Covey, Ynoa, Luebke, Petricka, Putnam, Jennings, Jones, Robertson With the Tilson injury, I'll replace him with Asche and May, and dump Davidson. I would say Leury, but his baserunning is a joke. Obviously, 2-3 bullpen spots are up in the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) With the Tilson injury, i'll say the following make it, prioritizing out of options players: C Narvaez 1B Abreu 2B Saladino SS Anderson 3B Frazier RF - Liriano CF - Bourjos LF - Melky DH - Avi Bench - C Soto, IF/OF L. Garcia, IF Yolmer, IF Davidson SP - Quintana, Rodon, Shields, MiGo, Holland RP - Robertson, Jones, Petricka, Putnam, Jennings, Covey (swingman), Soto For a rebuilding team there's a fair amount of roster certainty here. Edited March 14, 2017 by daggins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 Updated my original post on first page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Updated after Tilson injury news... LINEUP SS Anderson 2B Saladino 1B Abreu LF Cabrera 3B Frazier DH Davidson RF Avisail CF Bourjos C Narvaez BENCH Soto (C, as a platoon with Narvaez) Sanchez (middle INF) Liriano (OF) L Garcia (UTIL) ROTATION Quintana Rodon Shields Gonzalez Holland BULLPEN Robertson Jones Jennings (L) Putnam Petricka Covey Ynoa or Luebke (L) - I can't decide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 03:23 PM) Updated after Tilson injury news... LINEUP SS Anderson 2B Saladino 1B Abreu LF Cabrera 3B Frazier DH Davidson RF Avisail CF Bourjos C Narvaez BENCH Soto (C, as a platoon with Narvaez) Sanchez (middle INF) Liriano (OF) L Garcia (UTIL) ROTATION Quintana Rodon Shields Gonzalez Holland BULLPEN Robertson Jones Jennings (L) Putnam Petricka Covey Ynoa or Luebke (L) - I can't decide Ynoa being out of options made me lean towards him since someone would scoop him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 All the players that are out of options makes this interesting. 1. T. Anderson SS 2. J. Abreu 1B 3. M.Cabrera LF 4. T. Frazier 3B 5. M. Davidson 3B 6. A. Garcia RF 7. T. Saladino 2B 8. O. Narvaez C 9. P. Bourjos CF Bench C G. Soto INF Y. Sanchez U L. Garcia OF R. Liriano Starters 1. J. Quintana 2. C. Rodon 3. J. Shields 4. M. Gonzalez 5. D. Holland Bullpen D. Robertson N. Jones J. Petricka Z. Putnam D. Jennings D. Covey M. Ynoa I think Davidson, Sanchez, L. Garcia, and M. Ynoa are roster locks because they are all out of options. Covey stays as a rule 5 guy. I've seen speculation from some (including Scott Merkin) about Jacob May being the CF but then Bourjos would be gone entirely in my opinion. No 2nd Lefty in the pen (not that it matters). I put Rymer on the roster because he's out of options but Iw couldn't be stunned to see him gone and Asche making it with the LHB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 15, 2017 -> 07:24 AM) All the players that are out of options makes this interesting. 1. T. Anderson SS 2. J. Abreu 1B 3. M.Cabrera LF 4. T. Frazier 3B 5. M. Davidson 3B 6. A. Garcia RF 7. T. Saladino 2B 8. O. Narvaez C 9. P. Bourjos CF Bench C G. Soto INF Y. Sanchez U L. Garcia OF R. Liriano Starters 1. J. Quintana 2. C. Rodon 3. J. Shields 4. M. Gonzalez 5. D. Holland Bullpen D. Robertson N. Jones J. Petricka Z. Putnam D. Jennings D. Covey M. Ynoa I think Davidson, Sanchez, L. Garcia, and M. Ynoa are roster locks because they are all out of options. Covey stays as a rule 5 guy. I've seen speculation from some (including Scott Merkin) about Jacob May being the CF but then Bourjos would be gone entirely in my opinion. No 2nd Lefty in the pen (not that it matters). I put Rymer on the roster because he's out of options but Iw couldn't be stunned to see him gone and Asche making it with the LHB. This looks right to me. I'd much rather see May or Engel make the team over Leury but I doubt that will happen, at least initially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 15, 2017 -> 07:55 AM) This looks right to me. I'd much rather see May or Engel make the team over Leury but I doubt that will happen, at least initially. Neither are MLB-ready in my view. I think the smart move in a rebuild is to allow both of them to get solid in AAA first. Leury gains nothing from being in AAA anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 15, 2017 -> 08:01 AM) Neither are MLB-ready in my view. I think the smart move in a rebuild is to allow both of them to get solid in AAA first. Leury gains nothing from being in AAA anyway. I think there is an argument for May to make the team and as much as I want him to, I have a feeling he goes to AAA (for how long, who knows). Last spot will be Garcia as a backup infielder/outfielder or another reliever (they did carry an extra one most of last season). Edited March 15, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 15, 2017 -> 08:01 AM) Neither are MLB-ready in my view. I think the smart move in a rebuild is to allow both of them to get solid in AAA first. Leury gains nothing from being in AAA anyway. Maybe not, but I don't think Leury is anything more than a AAAA player and I would be highly surprised if he was a long term piece in this rebuild. May and Engel probably won't become MLB regulars either but I'd rather give them a shot since they've never had one. Leury is what he is at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 15, 2017 -> 08:09 AM) Maybe not, but I don't think Leury is anything more than a AAAA player and I would be highly surprised if he was a long term piece in this rebuild. May and Engel probably won't become MLB regulars either but I'd rather give them a shot since they've never had one. Leury is what he is at this point. Leury can be a fine bench piece. There's no reason to call up May and Engel to sit on the bench (unless you're implying they would start). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 15, 2017 -> 08:14 AM) Leury can be a fine bench piece. There's no reason to call up May and Engel to sit on the bench (unless you're implying they would start). Well yeah I'd want them to start. I'd dump Avi, let Rymer start in RF, and then put Engel/May with LF/CF and Melky at DH. The hope would be that one of those outfielders sticks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 15, 2017 -> 08:09 AM) Maybe not, but I don't think Leury is anything more than a AAAA player and I would be highly surprised if he was a long term piece in this rebuild. May and Engel probably won't become MLB regulars either but I'd rather give them a shot since they've never had one. Leury is what he is at this point. If you want May and Engel to get the best possible shot for their future, then you want them getting starting time, and at a level that neither has shown much mastery over yet (AAA). There' no need to rush them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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