White Sox Scout Yankees for Potential Q Trade

[tray]

Moncada to CF

Yes, that would appear to make sense based on his speed, but we have not seen him play CF yet.

I just want to see Moncada make better contact at the plate than he has thus far, He could be a force on the bases.

 

Leury Garcia looks like he has really made some strides this Spring. There are going to be a lot of hard choices for the last few spots.

[oldsox]

Well, until a trade happens one way or another, I'll choose to believe if we could get Moncada for Sale, and the Yankees could get Gleyber Torres for four months of Aroldis Chapman, then we should be able to get Torres for four years of Quintana. I could be wrong, but for me it just stands to reason. And at least for now, thinking along these lines, it is kind of exciting to think about a potential dynamite double play combination with the #2 & #3 prospects in baseball right now with Moncada and Torres. Punt Anderson and his speed & arm to centerfield, and you got the makings of tremendous strength up the all-important middle. I won't lie to you - love that idea!

Bad logic here. Cubs were going for World Series, they were easily negotiated out of Torres. That's why a trade for Q likely to happen in July.

Edited March 10, 2017 by oldsox

[credezcrew24]

Not shocked, according to Fabian they changed scouting last July to only top farms to get more info on potential trades back.

 

May have a few teams on a short list for July and are focused, but so many more cover yankees that this gets out.

 

I would like to respectfully ask for clarification on your post.

 

Though I am admittedly ignorant on the subject, I would assume there is a huge difference in scouting specialties. Amateurs are probably based off of predictability/potential while ML scouts would try to focus on exploitation.

 

Does anyone know if most scouts generally experts in both or one or the other?

 

I would think that a reallocation of the budget from player payroll to scouting would make more sense than the reallocation of scouts.

[bmags]

I would like to respectfully ask for clarification on your post.

 

Though I am admittedly ignorant on the subject, I would assume there is a huge difference in scouting specialties. Amateurs are probably based off of predictability/potential while ML scouts would try to focus on exploitation.

 

Does anyone know if most scouts generally experts in both or one or the other?

 

I would think that a reallocation of the budget from player payroll to scouting would make more sense than the reallocation of scouts.

 

Sorry they changed from scouting all minor league systems equally to focus only on farms of potential partner.

[SoxAce]

That's a really good idea. He didn't have a great season last year but he's only 21 and I'm sure his speed would play quite well in CF.

 

Reminds me of what people use to say about Ruddy Yan (my old FutureSox heads might remember who that is)

[shipps]

I am really thinking that Hahn has in his mind that IF he can somehow hit pretty big with other trades Frazier/Robertson/Surprise player that he can potentially have enough to keep Q for the long term. I don't think he his absolutely certain that Q isnt going to be a part of the future.If they can trade Q now for a haul will obviously accelerate the rebuild, of course, but we just barely started the process and not much has played out compared to what actually will.

[Chicago White Sox]

I am really thinking that Hahn has in his mind that IF he can somehow hit pretty big with other trades Frazier/Robertson/Surprise player that he can potentially have enough to keep Q for the long term. I don't think he his absolutely certain that Q isnt going to be a part of the future.If they can trade Q now for a haul will obviously accelerate the rebuild, of course, but we just barely started the process and not much has played out compared to what actually will.

I really hope Hahn doesn't think that way. One or two seasons of Quintana when/if our team is finally competitive is not worth the prospect haul he could land right now IMO.

[BlackSox13]

I really hope Hahn doesn't think that way. One or two seasons of Quintana when/if our team is finally competitive is not worth the prospect haul he could land right now IMO.

I don't see it either. IMHO, the only way it works is if Hahn can get sizeable hauls for Robertson and Jones in July. Frazier won't bring much of anything unless third baseman start dropping like flies around the league. Keeping Q is possible but not something I would count on.

 

[bmags]

Reminds me of what people use to say about Ruddy Yan (my old FutureSox heads might remember who that is)

 

He was the first prospect disappointment I had, because I was like 12 going to whitesox.com and looking at minor league stats.

 

Didn't he have 90 stolen bases in low A?

 

edit:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/register...id=yan---001rud

 

88 stolen bases in Winston Salem.

[shipps]

I don't see it either. IMHO, the only way it works is if Hahn can get sizeable hauls for Robertson and Jones in July. Frazier won't bring much of anything unless third baseman start dropping like flies around the league. Keeping Q is possible but not something I would count on.

 

Definitely not a likely occurrence but I think its a possibility in Hahn's mind. I dont think he has completely ruled it out from happening.

[ChiSoxFanMike]

Unless the Sox can get a significant haul of MLB ready talent for Robertson, Jones, Frazier, etc, I find it extremely implausible that Q will play a significant role on the next really good White Sox team...unless he's willing to sign an extension. He's only controlled through 2020 as of now so the rebuild would have to progress really quickly in order to make the thought of holding onto him a good idea. It just seems too unlikely to come to fruition. Trading him now has and will be the right move as far as I'm concerned. Burning most of his prime and affordable years on rebuilding teams makes no sense to me.

[ChiSoxFanMike]

I think we can all agree that Q is a consummate professional, a great pitcher, and a great guy, but baseball is ultimately a business, and Hahn will be forced to make some tough decisions. I don't think he wanted to have to trade Sale and Eaton either, but it is what it is. That's a story for another time however.

 

As far as Q goes, I can't see the rationale in keeping him long term. In a perfect world, he'd have 1, maybe 2 seasons left on his current contract in which he could pitch for a competitive Sox team. Barring something absolutely amazing, 2017 and 2018 will be a wash, thus wasting 2 years of his prime and team friendly contract. It's a high risk and only medium reward scenario and an array of dominoes would have to fall into place to make this plan worth it. Q deserves better than to pitch for a rebuilding team and his presence actually hurts the Sox as far as potential draft position goes for the 2018 and 2019 drafts. I'd have to hope Hahn is smart enough to realize this and trade him now to fully capitalize on his value right now. The thought of getting 2 or 3 everyday position players for the next half decade is a lot more appealing to me than holding him in hopes of utilizing him on a winning team for a year or 2 when he'll be in his 30's.

 

Hahn also has to consider that the pitching is a strength for the Sox. By 2019 or 2020, the hope would be that Rodon/Giolito/Lopez/Fulmer are all well established MLB pitchers, and guys like Kopech/Hansen/Adams/Dunning/future draftees & trade acquisitions are waiting in the wings and are close to making an impact at the MLB level as well. The Sox can develop arms with the best of them. Bats are another story, so I'd prefer to acquire as many as possible in hopes that a couple of them stick. Q might not even be needed if everything falls into place.

 

and lastly, the fact that Q could get injured or have an unexpected downturn in performance has to be considered. While not likely, it's a possibility. There's no way I'd take that chance if I was Hahn. It's just too risky considering Q is the best trade chip the Sox have left and he could be used to acquire several impact players in the future.

 

So, in my opinion, trading Q is the only option. I wish it didn't have to be this way, but it does.

[SCCWS]

I think we can all agree that Q is a consummate professional, a great pitcher, and a great guy, but baseball is ultimately a business, and Hahn will be forced to make some tough decisions. I don't think he wanted to have to trade Sale and Eaton either, but it is what it is. That's a story for another time however.

 

As far as Q goes, I can't see the rationale in keeping him long term. In a perfect world, he'd have 1, maybe 2 seasons left on his current contract in which he could pitch for a competitive Sox team. Barring something absolutely amazing, 2017 and 2018 will be a wash, thus wasting 2 years of his prime and team friendly contract. It's a high risk and only medium reward scenario and an array of dominoes would have to fall into place to make this plan worth it. Q deserves better than to pitch for a rebuilding team and his presence actually hurts the Sox as far as potential draft position goes for the 2018 and 2019 drafts. I'd have to hope Hahn is smart enough to realize this and trade him now to fully capitalize on his value right now. The thought of getting 2 or 3 everyday position players for the next half decade is a lot more appealing to me than holding him in hopes of utilizing him on a winning team for a year or 2 when he'll be in his 30's.

 

Hahn also has to consider that the pitching is a strength for the Sox. By 2019 or 2020, the hope would be that Rodon/Giolito/Lopez/Fulmer are all well established MLB pitchers, and guys like Kopech/Hansen/Adams/Dunning/future draftees & trade acquisitions are waiting in the wings and are close to making an impact at the MLB level as well. The Sox can develop arms with the best of them. Bats are another story, so I'd prefer to acquire as many as possible in hopes that a couple of them stick. Q might not even be needed if everything falls into place.

 

and lastly, the fact that Q could get injured or have an unexpected downturn in performance has to be considered. While not likely, it's a possibility. There's no way I'd take that chance if I was Hahn. It's just too risky considering Q is the best trade chip the Sox have left and he could be used to acquire several impact players in the future.

 

So, in my opinion, trading Q is the only option. I wish it didn't have to be this way, but it does.

 

Mike: Agree but that begs the question can the Sox develop acquired young position players. I think Moncada develops regardless but is this farm system equipped to develop players like Collins for example. Otherwise they need to change the plan and acquire young MLB players as opposed to Class A studs.

 

[southsider2k5]

I think we can all agree that Q is a consummate professional, a great pitcher, and a great guy, but baseball is ultimately a business, and Hahn will be forced to make some tough decisions. I don't think he wanted to have to trade Sale and Eaton either, but it is what it is. That's a story for another time however.

 

As far as Q goes, I can't see the rationale in keeping him long term. In a perfect world, he'd have 1, maybe 2 seasons left on his current contract in which he could pitch for a competitive Sox team. Barring something absolutely amazing, 2017 and 2018 will be a wash, thus wasting 2 years of his prime and team friendly contract. It's a high risk and only medium reward scenario and an array of dominoes would have to fall into place to make this plan worth it. Q deserves better than to pitch for a rebuilding team and his presence actually hurts the Sox as far as potential draft position goes for the 2018 and 2019 drafts. I'd have to hope Hahn is smart enough to realize this and trade him now to fully capitalize on his value right now. The thought of getting 2 or 3 everyday position players for the next half decade is a lot more appealing to me than holding him in hopes of utilizing him on a winning team for a year or 2 when he'll be in his 30's.

 

Hahn also has to consider that the pitching is a strength for the Sox. By 2019 or 2020, the hope would be that Rodon/Giolito/Lopez/Fulmer are all well established MLB pitchers, and guys like Kopech/Hansen/Adams/Dunning/future draftees & trade acquisitions are waiting in the wings and are close to making an impact at the MLB level as well. The Sox can develop arms with the best of them. Bats are another story, so I'd prefer to acquire as many as possible in hopes that a couple of them stick. Q might not even be needed if everything falls into place.

 

and lastly, the fact that Q could get injured or have an unexpected downturn in performance has to be considered. While not likely, it's a possibility. There's no way I'd take that chance if I was Hahn. It's just too risky considering Q is the best trade chip the Sox have left and he could be used to acquire several impact players in the future.

 

So, in my opinion, trading Q is the only option. I wish it didn't have to be this way, but it does.

 

A couple of things here.

 

First off I think this isn't as cut and dried as it is presented. The very first thing that has to happen is that another team is out there offering us the 2 or 3 everyday position players you are talking about. In just the couple of rumors I have seen out on Q, I am not convinced that has actually happened yet.

 

Second, the odds you are talking about of Quintana's performance falling off are far lower than the odds of high level prospects busting in a deal. The lesser of a deal this team takes to move Quintana, the higher those odds are. With Q under contract for four years, I don't think we have hit the have to move stage yet. The true depreciation on a deal hasn't set in yet.

 

Third, it is 100% obvious that the White Sox have been able and willing to trade Quintana and anything else that was in a White Sox jersey at the end of last season if the price is right. There is no matter of "realizing" it. They get it, and have actively been working all winter on getting it done. The issue is as by far our biggest asset, selling him for anything less than full price could well be setting back the rebuild to some extent.

[Nokona]

Source: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/03/10/yan...-jose-quintana/

 

Cashman: "I tell our players: ‘My job is to find players better than you at all times,’ whether it’s in A-ball, all the way through the big-league level,"

 

"It’s easy to find players you want. It’s hard to actually acquire them. But we’ll stay engaged with everybody and anybody. I can’t speak to anybody specifically, but, listen, it’s no secret if you’re looking for areas of weakness in the current roster, it would be the rotation. And if we can shore it up and improve it, so be it"

Edited March 10, 2017 by Nokona

[hi8is]

Hurumph

[witesoxfan]

That's probably the most encouraging quote we've seen all offseason. It doesn't mean anything's going to happen, but that's the most smoke I think we've actually seen.

[Soxfest]

Getting close to nut cutting time on a Q deal. I think someone is going to pony up soon.

[shipps]

That's probably the most encouraging quote we've seen all offseason. It doesn't mean anything's going to happen, but that's the most smoke I think we've actually seen.

 

Yeah it is. Cashman was the one saying not too long ago that the Sox were asking too much and that they were out. Either the reality has set in with him that he will have to pay the price or the Sox have lowered the asking. I dont think they have lowered the asking.

[Chicago White Sox]

Quintana will be pitching in the WBC very shortly for those interested. Hopefully a lot of teams will be scouting.

[elrockinMT]

The Yankmees have to give up who and what we want in a trade for Quintana. The article I read indicates they won't so in my humble opinion that means no trade. And I am fine with that.

[heirdog]

8 pitch 1-2-3 for Quintana in 1st. Fastball sat between 92-94

[BlackSox13]

That's probably the most encouraging quote we've seen all offseason. It doesn't mean anything's going to happen, but that's the most smoke I think we've actually seen.

The Yanks look as though they want to see how their team performs before committing to a trading a haul of prospects for Q. I am curious if the news on Price has made Cashman take a step back to rethink his teams' chances of hanging with Boston this year.

 

Best case scenario is Tampa and the Yanks stay competitive into June/July. This would keep Archer on the Rays and off the trade market add keep the Yanks in the mix for Q.

 

 

[GreenSox]

The Yanks look as though they want to see how their team performs before committing to a trading a haul of prospects for Q. I am curious if the news on Price has made Cashman take a step back to rethink his teams' chances of hanging with Boston this year.

 

Best case scenario is Tampa and the Yanks stay competitive into June/July. This would keep Archer on the Rays and off the trade market add keep the Yanks in the mix for Q.

Honestly, I think Cashman is discounting his own team too much. And even if they are a year away, that's well within Q's contract primetime.

[Whitesoxa6]

With Chad Bettis going down for the Rockies, I wonder if they jump into the Q sweepstakes after tonights brilliant performance