White Sox Scout Yankees for Potential Q Trade

[southsider2k5]

Frankly, given that the Sox have already gotten packages revolving around high ceiling players, I would probably prefer a package built around four or so 50-60

FV type players. Obviously you need a couple on the higher end, but mitigating risk with these prospects is good in the long run too.

 

I would have no problem at all with a deal that gives us a boat load of B level guys. Our system kind of goes from A to C guys now anyway. Filling in the middle would be great for depth.

[Y2Jimmy0]

Torres, Rutherford, Andujar, and Tate. I think that's fair.

 

 

That's considerably more than the Sox got for Sale in my opinion.

[southsider2k5]

I see all these posts/tweets about wanting the Sox farm system to be balanced.

 

I don't know about you guys, but I'd much rather have a top 5 farm system with 7-8 elite prospects than a top 5 farm system with 20 decent ones. I'd much rather have elite talent at the top than balance.

 

So that we can repeat the exact same thing that got us into this mess? Nah. Don't get me wrong, stars are great. But a lack of depth and balance has cost us for the better part of a decade now. No need to make the same mistakes again.

[Y2Jimmy0]

Rutherford headlined deals are insane in my opinion

 

Look at what we got for Sale and Eaton and to think we'd cave on Quintana is nuts

 

With all eyes on him he shut down the stacked USA lineup at the WBC and looked in midseason form

 

 

I don't believe that's caving. By the time the deadline gets here, Rutherford will be seen as a legit headliner.

[bmags]

Position prospects are more valuable than pitching prospects. Q trades discuss more highly rated position prospects.

 

[ChiSoxFanMike]

Rutherford headlined deals are insane in my opinion

 

Look at what we got for Sale and Eaton and to think we'd cave on Quintana is nuts

 

With all eyes on him he shut down the stacked USA lineup at the WBC and looked in midseason form

Agreed. I have also seen deals headlined by Jorge Mateo which I think is crazy.

 

Either the deal starts with Torres or Frazier AND Rutherford. If the Yankees aren't willing to do that, then it's their loss.

[ChiSoxFanMike]

That's considerably more than the Sox got for Sale in my opinion.

Eh, maybe slightly more. But Q's value should be nearly identical to Sale. The Yankees probably wouldn't do that but I think a package like the one I proposed is fair for a player of Q's caliber.

[Quin]

Agreed. I have also seen deals headlined by Jorge Mateo which I think is crazy.

 

Either the deal starts with Torres or Frazier AND Rutherford. If the Yankees aren't willing to do that, then it's their loss.

 

I think Frazier/Rutherford is the way to go, a la all of my trade proposals.

[Y2Jimmy0]

Eh, maybe slightly more. But Q's value should be nearly identical to Sale. The Yankees probably wouldn't do that but I think a package like the one I proposed is fair for a player of Q's caliber.

 

 

Q is very good. His value will never be as high as Sale's though. If Hahn is holding out for Austin Meadows or Gleyber Torres, then Q will never be in New York or Pittsburgh.

[southsider2k5]

Q is very good. His value will never be as high as Sale's though. If Hahn is holding out for Austin Meadows or Gleyber Torres, then Q will never be in New York or Pittsburgh.

 

I get the extra year of the deal, but there is definitely a superstar premium in the current market. With Q never getting viewed like that, he might not price out like that.

[steveno89]

I think Frazier/Rutherford is the way to go, a la all of my trade proposals.

 

Nothing is happening prior to the deadline

 

The suitors might be very different at that point, so it's somewhat pointless to discuss right now and further than has already been done

[BlackSox13]

So that we can repeat the exact same thing that got us into this mess? Nah. Don't get me wrong, stars are great. But a lack of depth and balance has cost us for the better part of a decade now. No need to make the same mistakes again.

Absolutely. I look at it this way... the Yanks have Torres, Frazier, Judge, Andujar, Mateo, Rutherford and Mateo to offer the Sox in a trade for Q. Now, look at the position players in the Sox farm and ask yourself, how many position players do the Sox have that can equal or exceed what the Yanks have to offer? My point is that most of, if not all of those Yanks prospects I listed are better than what the Sox already have. Well, excluding Moncada of course.

 

IMHO, a rebuilding team is not only about building the next winner but building future winners for years to come. Depth throughout the minors allows talent to flow upwards towards the majors in waves.The Cards are a great example of what I'm talking about. Year in and year out they are in the division race and have a solid farm with plenty of depth to either call up or to be used in trades.

 

I'll happily take a depth package in a trade for Q. Especially if the package brings back two or three good quality position players.

 

 

[GreenSox]

Q is very good. His value will never be as high as Sale's though. If Hahn is holding out for Austin Meadows or Gleyber Torres, then Q will never be in New York or Pittsburgh.

The truth

[southsider2k5]

Absolutely. I look at it this way... the Yanks have Torres, Frazier, Judge, Andujar, Mateo, Rutherford and Mateo to offer the Sox in a trade for Q. Now, look at the position players in the Sox farm and ask yourself, how many position players do the Sox have that can equal or exceed what the Yanks have to offer? My point is that most of, if not all of those Yanks prospects I listed are better than what the Sox already have. Well, excluding Moncada of course.

 

IMHO, a rebuilding team is not only about building the next winner but building future winners for years to come. Depth throughout the minors allows talent to flow upwards towards the majors in waves.The Cards are a great example of what I'm talking about. Year in and year out they are in the division race and have a solid farm with plenty of depth to either call up or to be used in trades.

 

I'll happily take a depth package in a trade for Q. Especially if the package brings back two or three good quality position players.

 

When I looked at it, the Yankees top half of position prospects is better than any prospect the White Sox still have in the minors that was acquired any later than the 2016 draft. Even past Torres/Frazier, you look at Rutherford, Mateo, Andujar, Judge, Garcia, McKinney, etc, and those guys who have all been top 3 prospects for the White Sox in the 2015-2016 off-season. These are all really good prospects. We probably aren't talking about superstar ceilings, but a lot of solid to good players that will give you a positive impact year in and year out. Just because a guy is rated #10 in the Yankees system, and not a top 100 guy, doesn't mean there aren't some very good major league players to be found there.

[steveno89]

Absolutely. I look at it this way... the Yanks have Torres, Frazier, Judge, Andujar, Mateo, Rutherford and Mateo to offer the Sox in a trade for Q. Now, look at the position players in the Sox farm and ask yourself, how many position players do the Sox have that can equal or exceed what the Yanks have to offer? My point is that most of, if not all of those Yanks prospects I listed are better than what the Sox already have. Well, excluding Moncada of course.

 

IMHO, a rebuilding team is not only about building the next winner but building future winners for years to come. Depth throughout the minors allows talent to flow upwards towards the majors in waves.The Cards are a great example of what I'm talking about. Year in and year out they are in the division race and have a solid farm with plenty of depth to either call up or to be used in trades.

 

I'll happily take a depth package in a trade for Q. Especially if the package brings back two or three good quality position players.

 

Give me the higher ceiling guys anyday though

 

If the price were lowered from the truly premium prospects then 1/2 the league should very much be in on Quintana

[OmarComing25]

When I looked at it, the Yankees top half of position prospects is better than any prospect the White Sox still have in the minors that was acquired any later than the 2016 draft. Even past Torres/Frazier, you look at Rutherford, Mateo, Andujar, Judge, Garcia, McKinney, etc, and those guys who have all been top 3 prospects for the White Sox in the 2015-2016 off-season. These are all really good prospects. We probably aren't talking about superstar ceilings, but a lot of solid to good players that will give you a positive impact year in and year out. Just because a guy is rated #10 in the Yankees system, and not a top 100 guy, doesn't mean there aren't some very good major league players to be found there.

McKinney isn't even in the Yankees' top 30 prospects anymore for either Fangraphs or MLB.com, the guy's stock is way down.

[iamshack]

I would have no problem at all with a deal that gives us a boat load of B level guys. Our system kind of goes from A to C guys now anyway. Filling in the middle would be great for depth.

Depth is overrated. Look at how quickly our farm system has jumped in the rankings based on two trades. We need impact players from a trade of Q.

[Bob Sacamano]

Why can't the blue print for a trade look similar to the Sale deal? What did we get, 2 A's, a B, and a C? If we end up pulling the trigger on an A and 3 B's, I wouldn't be upset.

[shipps]

Depth is overrated. Look at how quickly our farm system has jumped in the rankings based on two trades. We need impact players from a trade of Q.

 

Depth might be overrated for positional rankings that we discuss but not for the reality of building a team that wins every year.

[southsider2k5]

Depth is overrated. Look at how quickly our farm system has jumped in the rankings based on two trades. We need impact players from a trade of Q.

 

Depth has been our exact problem for the last 10 years.

[OmarComing25]

Depth has been our exact problem for the last 10 years.

True but I still think you're more likely to get more overall value from a handful of A prospects than you are a bunch of B prospects.

[bighurt574]

Why can't the blue print for a trade look similar to the Sale deal? What did we get, 2 A's, a B, and a C? If we end up pulling the trigger on an A and 3 B's, I wouldn't be upset.

 

I still think that's a reasonable blueprint.

 

It's just that with Q's lack of true star power (e.g., potential postseason ace), the A's might be top 25-50 prospects instead of the #1 overall prospect like Sale netted.

[ChiSoxFanMike]

Why can't the blue print for a trade look similar to the Sale deal? What did we get, 2 A's, a B, and a C? If we end up pulling the trigger on an A and 3 B's, I wouldn't be upset.

Exactly.

 

A - Torres, Rutherford

B - Andujar

C - Tate

 

It's quite simple.

[witesoxfan]

Depth is overrated. Look at how quickly our farm system has jumped in the rankings based on two trades. We need impact players from a trade of Q.

 

Well, depth is definitely not overrated, but I know what you mean. All the same, impact prospects can come from all over your rankings, just as impact prospects can bust.

 

FanGraphs 2014 top 100

 

There are quite a few in the top 20 that either flamed out or didn't/haven't lived up to expectations thus far. Obviously Oscar Taveras is a terribly sad and largely very rare case, but these are still humans we're dealing with too, they are not invincible. Meanwhile, Franco, Corey Seager, Odor, Bradley Jr, Castellanos, Dahl, Frazier, Meadows, Crawford, Stroman, Peterson, Betts, and others (plenty of them can have cases made for them) exist beyond the top 20 to 25.

 

If you get 4 prospects that are currently viewed as 50-60 FV, that can have just as much of an impact as 1 player who is viewed as a 65 FV player.

 

[Quin]

Depth is overrated. Look at how quickly our farm system has jumped in the rankings based on two trades. We need impact players from a trade of Q.

 

Well, those and a quality draft