BlackSox13 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 12:16 AM) Never go full Greg. How about full Monty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 12:38 AM) Dare I say it? Don't, just don't. It's too soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 10:52 PM) Don't, just don't. It's too soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 08:37 PM) This is a gross oversimplification. What if he tears it up in the 1st half next year? The Sox would certainly move him for the right package. If that is a something you are thinking about, you are WAY overrating Tyler Saladino. He isn't Adam Eaton, and never will be. At the top end, we are talking about a starter that you would probably look to replace on a regular basis, at the very best, maybe an OK starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 07:55 PM) Tyler Saladino isn't going anywhere. Why not? I don't it's farfetched that he could be moved. He's a 27 year old utility guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 12:07 AM) This thread is a perfect example of why the mods have to be concerned about the tone of this board this season. It seems to me every thread is going to turn into a "good, now we can move this guy" if a player does well; a player such as Saladino. There will be very annoying game threads with the posters wanting us to lose every game. Far be it from me to tell u how to run a message board. I know people get sick of me repeating themes such as Hillary sucks, Bernie baby, I want to win every game, the draftniks are ridiculous, etc. But Saladino is a very very very good hitter and I think a big leaguer. So if he makes the team and does well every thread is gonna be, "GOOD NOW WE CAN MOVE HIM." I implore the rebuildniks to calm down and re-assess their posts. Is this board really going to be calling for Frazier to be traded every time he hits a home run rather than celebrating the home run and possible victory? Me says YES. Don't like it. Yes Greg. The best thing for this franchise moving forward is to lose a s***load of baseball games this year. Rick Hahn wants to lose 100 games. So does Kenny Williams. It's the whole point of doing this. Edited March 14, 2017 by Y2JImmy0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 12:07 AM) This thread is a perfect example of why the mods have to be concerned about the tone of this board this season. It seems to me every thread is going to turn into a "good, now we can move this guy" if a player does well; a player such as Saladino. There will be very annoying game threads with the posters wanting us to lose every game. Far be it from me to tell u how to run a message board. I know people get sick of me repeating themes such as Hillary sucks, Bernie baby, I want to win every game, the draftniks are ridiculous, etc. But Saladino is a very very very good hitter and I think a big leaguer. So if he makes the team and does well every thread is gonna be, "GOOD NOW WE CAN MOVE HIM." I implore the rebuildniks to calm down and re-assess their posts. Is this board really going to be calling for Frazier to be traded every time he hits a home run rather than celebrating the home run and possible victory? Me says YES. Don't like it. I am concerned about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 12:07 AM) This thread is a perfect example of why the mods have to be concerned about the tone of this board this season. It seems to me every thread is going to turn into a "good, now we can move this guy" if a player does well; a player such as Saladino. There will be very annoying game threads with the posters wanting us to lose every game. Far be it from me to tell u how to run a message board. I know people get sick of me repeating themes such as Hillary sucks, Bernie baby, I want to win every game, the draftniks are ridiculous, etc. But Saladino is a very very very good hitter and I think a big leaguer. So if he makes the team and does well every thread is gonna be, "GOOD NOW WE CAN MOVE HIM." I implore the rebuildniks to calm down and re-assess their posts. Is this board really going to be calling for Frazier to be traded every time he hits a home run rather than celebrating the home run and possible victory? Me says YES. Don't like it. At minimum that's two too many "very". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 07:24 AM) If that is a something you are thinking about, you are WAY overrating Tyler Saladino. He isn't Adam Eaton, and never will be. At the top end, we are talking about a starter that you would probably look to replace on a regular basis, at the very best, maybe an OK starter. Okay...that still doesn't mean that he doesn't have value. He'd be a great utility guy on any contender and that has value in of itself. How much trade value he would have I really don't know but it's not like he's a negative WAR player. I also don't know where the comparison to Eaton came from because I never compared them and they're not even close to being the same player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 09:16 AM) Okay...that still doesn't mean that he doesn't have value. He'd be a great utility guy on any contender and that has value in of itself. How much trade value he would have I really don't know but it's not like he's a negative WAR player. I also don't know where the comparison to Eaton came from because I never compared them and they're not even close to being the same player. Exactly what would you trade for Tyler Saladino? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 10:31 AM) Exactly what would you trade for Tyler Saladino? This is my thought as well. Saladino needs to play long enough to prove he's worth much of anything and then age is suddenly a bigger and bigger factor. Edited March 14, 2017 by Sox-35th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 10:31 AM) Exactly what would you trade for Tyler Saladino? At this very moment in time? Maybe a Spencer Adams type. But that can all change if he lights it up next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Saladino has proven that he can hit and play excellent defense. He is worth more to the White Sox than his trade value. Sox will be better than last season. Tanking will not happen. I look forward to the Opener. Edited March 14, 2017 by miracleon35th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 10:46 AM) At this very moment in time? Maybe a Spencer Adams type. But that can all change if he lights it up next year. I think our problem is that our definitions of value and trade value are much different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 10:48 AM) Saladino has proven that he can hit and play excellent defense. He is worth more to the White Sox than his trade value. Sox will be better than last season. Tanking will not happen. I look forward to the Opener. This I do believe. The rest after that is just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 12:27 PM) Yes Greg. The best thing for this franchise moving forward is to lose a s***load of baseball games this year. Rick Hahn wants to lose 100 games. So does Kenny Williams. It's the whole point of doing this. The way to rebuild is to spend, spend, spend. Three to five years of being terrible will turn the Sox franchise into irrelevance in Chicago possibly forever. Sell the team, Jerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I'm not sure why Saladino is so slept on around here. Dude was an above-average bat the final two months of the season when he got more consistent playing time. Even with some regression offensively, he can still provide plenty of value with his plus defense at 2B or 3B & smart base-running. Ultimately I think he can be a 2 to 3 WAR player with regular playing time, which would be attractive to many teams. To me, the biggest concern with him is health. He's had his share of problems staying on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 10:46 AM) At this very moment in time? Maybe a Spencer Adams type. But that can all change if he lights it up next year. If Saladino were on another team, you would deal Spencer Adams for him? A guy who has been good in a backup role but hasn't proven anything as an everyday player (not his fault; he is good with the glove however). It'll be awesome to see him get steady time this upcoming season. Edited March 14, 2017 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 10:58 AM) I'm not sure why Saladino is so slept on around here. Dude was an above-average bat the final two months of the season when he got more consistent playing time. Even with some regression offensively, he can still provide plenty of value with his plus defense at 2B or 3B & smart base-running. Ultimately I think he can be a 2 to 3 WAR player with regular playing time, which would be attractive to many teams. To me, the biggest concern with him is health. He's had his share of problems staying on the field. I am not saying Saladino is bad or anything, but I also think he is the tallest midget on a team devoid of hope at the major league level. I think he will make a career out of being a fringe starter and utility player. While that has value, we aren't talking about anything with REAL value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 11:01 AM) I am not saying Saladino is bad or anything, but I also think he is the tallest midget on a team devoid of hope at the major league level. I think he will make a career out of being a fringe starter and utility player. While that has value, we aren't talking about anything with REAL value. I think he could actually be a good starter. Especially if he were a starting SS or 2B on a deep offensive team. But yeah, as of now, I would say he's not worth much in a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 11:01 AM) I am not saying Saladino is bad or anything, but I also think he is the tallest midget on a team devoid of hope at the major league level. I think he will make a career out of being a fringe starter and utility player. While that has value, we aren't talking about anything with REAL value. To expand and throw a couple of names out there, how about Jeff Keppinger or Tony Graffanino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 11:00 AM) If Saladino were on another team, you would deal Spencer Adams for him? A guy who has been good in a backup role but hasn't proven anything as an everyday player (not his fault; he is good with the glove however). It'll be awesome to see him get steady time this upcoming season. There's so many variables to this question, but if I was a contending team in need of a utility infielder? You better believe I'd trade an Adams type for a guy that could be a 2-3 WAR player this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 11:01 AM) I think he will make a career out of being a fringe starter and utility player. While that has value, we aren't talking about anything with REAL value. Completely agree. Hell, that's his ceiling. Nothing wrong with that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Things that make you go hmmmmm. It amazes how one could still be in denial about the Sox rebuild after all the things the Sox FO has said and done so far this winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 10:51 AM) This I do believe. The rest after that is just silly. Well why can't he look forward to the opener?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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