southsider2k5 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Bernie PleskoffVerified account @BerniePleskoff 31m31 minutes ago #WhiteSox- May CF, Leury Garcia SS, Cabrera LF, Frazier 3B, Avisail Garcia RF, Saladino DH, Davidson 1B, Smith C, Sanchez 2B, Giolito P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I have a feeling we will be seeing May in CF on Opening Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 01:16 PM) I have a feeling we will be seeing May in CF on Opening Day. I wouldn't mind it. Don't see any upside with Bourjous in CF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 01:16 PM) I have a feeling we will be seeing May in CF on Opening Day. I doubt it. I think Bourjos is CF, Garcia in RF, Melky in LF. Leury, Soto, Sanchez, and 1 of Liriano or Asche as final bench piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 02:00 PM) I doubt it. I think Bourjos is CF, Garcia in RF, Melky in LF. Leury, Soto, Sanchez, and 1 of Liriano or Asche as final bench piece. At this point in time this looks right to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 01:58 PM) I wouldn't mind it. Don't see any upside with Bourjous in CF I agree about Bourjos. May has played well this spring (so far) and looks like he may deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Call May up in June after Tilson hurts himself again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Very puzzling what has happened to Giolito's fastball. Looks to be sitting around 91.5-92. Gets so few swings and misses on his fastball Edited March 14, 2017 by fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Giolito struggling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Giolito looks awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 He's going to get hammered in the majors with this type of velocity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 09:30 PM) Giolito looks awful. Yes haven't been impressed by him this spring. Looks the same as last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Steve Stone saying dead arm probably, which is to be expected at this point in spring training Edited March 14, 2017 by almagest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I haven't watched any of ST but hasn't Gio's fastball been fine up until today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Watching the game action on CSN. The rookie Giolito is struggling and taken out for Beck already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 08:35 PM) I haven't watched any of ST but hasn't Gio's fastball been fine up until today? I think he has been pretty fair and today is just one of those days Edited March 14, 2017 by elrockinMT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 09:35 PM) I haven't watched any of ST but hasn't Gio's fastball been fine up until today? Not getting much, if any, swings and misses on it from what I have seen this spring. His strikeouts were called looking in the game I saw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 03:36 PM) I think he has been pretty fair and today is just one of those days I don't have pitchFX data in front of me, but I'm pretty sure his velocity was down in his 1st ST start too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 30 pitches, no swinging strikes. Anyone ranking him over Kopech is insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 03:44 PM) I don't have pitchFX data in front of me, but I'm pretty sure his velocity was down in his 1st ST start too. Giolito had nothing, JJ Cooper from BA tweeted that he was 90-92, with one pitch at 93 hope he can get his mechanics/velocity straightened out at AAA otherwise we got screwed on Eaton(maybe). Edited March 14, 2017 by Elgin Slim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I think the velocity will come back. What I'm concerned about more is the reports on the low spin rate (little movement) on the fastball. Even when he was hitting 94 his swinging strike rates were not great. Not sure what do make out of this. Maybe he should add another pitch that is less dependent on spin (sinker), I don't know. If his command was better the straight fastball would be less of an issue (I think kershaws 4 seamer is also pretty straight) but if your heater is straight and not located well it is going to get hammered even at 94 (maybe he would get away with it at 100). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 QUOTE (GermanSock @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 10:07 PM) I think the velocity will come back. What I'm concerned about more is the reports on the low spin rate (little movement) on the fastball. Even when he was hitting 94 his swinging strike rates were not great. Not sure what do make out of this. Maybe he should add another pitch that is less dependent on spin (sinker), I don't know. If his command was better the straight fastball would be less of an issue (I think kershaws 4 seamer is also pretty straight) but if your heater is straight and not located well it is going to get hammered even at 94 (maybe he would get away with it at 100). He gets this year in AAA to see if what he has works. If not, I agree you see if he can become a sinkerballer. Being a power pitcher with his lack of spin rate on his fastball won't work if his velocity remains in low 90s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (GermanSock @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 04:07 PM) I think the velocity will come back. What I'm concerned about more is the reports on the low spin rate (little movement) on the fastball. Even when he was hitting 94 his swinging strike rates were not great. Not sure what do make out of this. Maybe he should add another pitch that is less dependent on spin (sinker), I don't know. If his command was better the straight fastball would be less of an issue (I think kershaws 4 seamer is also pretty straight) but if your heater is straight and not located well it is going to get hammered even at 94 (maybe he would get away with it at 100). QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 14, 2017 -> 04:16 PM) He gets this year in AAA to see if what he has works. If not, I agree you see if he can become a sinkerballer. Being a power pitcher with his lack of spin rate on his fastball won't work if his velocity remains in low 90s I don't think he has little movement on his fastball, I think he has the opposite problem that he doesn't know where it is going because it has wicked movement. He's mostly been throwing a 2-seamer from what I have seen, granted I saw his 2 best starts. If he can get back to 96 again and somehow have the same movement that I've seen with finally knowing where it is going, he will be really nasty. Remember, it is going to take some time with him to figure it out, we can't give up on him as fans. The Nats messed with his mechanics, and Cooper and the minor league staff have to watch video of where he was when he was throwing 96-98 and figure out what he was doing differently then. Also, Giolito's mechanics are fairly complex and it could take a season or two for the light bulb to go on. Edited March 14, 2017 by Elgin Slim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 By all means, they should be patient with Giolito. It's fine, Lopez is a beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 My guess is that he has taken it down a notch to work more mechanical and to work on repeating motion. This is a pretty normal White Sox thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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