Greg Hibbard Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 Cody Asche is the exact type of in-between s*** that is an extremely stupid, non-committal way to back into 77 wins this season. If we're trying to lose, throw some dog on the roster. A real dog - some guy who is a never would be, not some guy who vaguely resembles a AAAA player. If we're trying to win, sign someone real, who actually works for the park he plays in, not another Beckham type with zero pop and no defense. I imagine he'll go 3-4 with a couple of doubles in a couple games in May and accidentally win a game or two for us catching the "wrong end" of the variance Then we'll DFA him I guess that's sound baseball strategy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Apr 11, 2017 -> 10:31 AM) 5) same as any other guy currently in our system that's not a top prospect Again, who? Bernie from Weekend at Bernie's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Apr 11, 2017 -> 10:34 AM) Cody Asche is the exact type of in-between s*** that is an extremely stupid, non-committal way to back into 77 wins this season. If we're trying to lose, throw some dog on the roster. A real dog - some guy who is a never would be, not some guy who vaguely resembles a AAAA player. If we're trying to win, sign someone real, who actually works for the park he plays in, not another Beckham type with zero pop and no defense. I imagine he'll go 3-4 with a couple of doubles in a couple games in May and accidentally win a game or two for us catching the "wrong end" of the variance Then we'll DFA him I guess that's sound baseball strategy Cody Asche is a terrible example of the "in-between s*** that is an extremely stupid, non-committal way to back into 77 wins this season" player we normally get lol like I said, he will help lose if he isn't productive and it seems likely he will suck for us. Just like you said, he resembles a quad-A player. I think you're just complaining to complain at this point. Literally, every rebuilding team makes a move or has a guy like this on their roster at the early stages. Edited April 11, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 This argument is just dumb. Who cares of Cody Asche is getting AB's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Apr 11, 2017 -> 10:37 AM) Cody Asche is a terrible example of the "in-between s*** that is an extremely stupid, non-committal way to back into 77 wins this season" player we normally get lol like I said, he will help lose if he isn't productive and it seems likely he will suck for us. Just like you said, he resembles a quad-A player. I think you're just complaining to complain at this point. Literally, every rebuilding team makes a move or has a guy like this on their roster at the early stages. I'm not complaining just to complain, but thank you for your feedback. You seem to admit that he's a warm body, but when I say a different warm body would help us either lose more or win more, you seem to take exception to that. A worse minor league would help us lose more. Do you dispute this? A proven ML free agent would help us win more. Do you dispute this? Since it's the DH position, literally ANY ML free agent who was at the end of his career, or fourth outfielder type, or fifth infielder type, or.....anyone would have been fine if we were trying to win. Since it's the DH position, literally ANY minor leaguer who can hold a bat would have been fine if we were trying to lose. My point is that the the TYPE of player he is is WRONG FOR OUR PARK if we were trying to get offensive value here. Could you please respond to THAT POINT? Thank you. Edited April 11, 2017 by Greg Hibbard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Apr 11, 2017 -> 10:42 AM) I'm not complaining just to complain, but thank you for your feedback. You seem to admit that he's a warm body, but when I say a different warm body would help us either lose more or win more, you seem to take exception to that. A worse minor league would help us lose more. Do you dispute this? A proven ML free agent would help us win more. Do you dispute this? Since it's the DH position, literally ANY ML free agent who was at the end of his career, or fourth outfielder type, or fifth infielder type, or.....anyone would have been fine. My point is that the the TYPE of player he is is WRONG FOR OUR PARK. Could you please respond to THAT POINT? Thank you. It's hard to take your complaints seriously when you can't even name one player you'd rather see on the team than Asche. You have yet to even give one name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Apr 11, 2017 -> 10:42 AM) I'm not complaining just to complain, but thank you for your feedback. You seem to admit that he's a warm body, but when I say a different warm body would help us either lose more or win more, you seem to take exception to that. A worse minor league would help us lose more. Do you dispute this? A proven ML free agent would help us win more. Do you dispute this? Since it's the DH position, literally ANY ML free agent who was at the end of his career, or fourth outfielder type, or fifth infielder type, or.....anyone would have been fine. My point is that the the TYPE of player he is is WRONG FOR OUR PARK. Could you please respond to THAT POINT? Thank you. Why throw someone who is young with no MLB experience who may have a chance at being something in the game? Let them play everyday in the minors and let them come up when they are ready/gain another year of control. The other alternatives as I mentioned above would be guys 10 years older. Like I said, with Hayes and Delmonico hitting in the minors, this guy is likely gone by June anyway. Edited April 11, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Apr 11, 2017 -> 10:43 AM) It's hard to take your complaints seriously when you can't even name one player you'd rather see on the team than Asche. You have yet to even give one name. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Apr 11, 2017 -> 10:40 AM) This argument is just dumb. Who cares of Cody Asche is getting AB's? Agreed. There are more important things to be concerned about than Cody Asche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Apr 11, 2017 -> 10:49 AM) Agreed. There are more important things to be concerned about than Cody Asche. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Next step is he has an onfire few weeks and he becomes overloved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Apr 11, 2017 -> 10:34 AM) Cody Asche is the exact type of in-between s*** that is an extremely stupid, non-committal way to back into 77 wins this season. If we're trying to lose, throw some dog on the roster. A real dog - some guy who is a never would be, not some guy who vaguely resembles a AAAA player. If we're trying to win, sign someone real, who actually works for the park he plays in, not another Beckham type with zero pop and no defense. I imagine he'll go 3-4 with a couple of doubles in a couple games in May and accidentally win a game or two for us catching the "wrong end" of the variance Then we'll DFA him I guess that's sound baseball strategy A second ago you were arguing how awful he is and how anyone from the minors is a better, now he is going to power us to 77 wins? If Asche powers us to 77 wins, he is going to have some real value on the trade market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Experimenting with random prove-it or lose-it AAAA types on a rebuilding season is exactly what I wanted them to do. You may strike gold like Philly did. Asche could prove it, or then LIriana will come up, or Garcia. None will really impact the 2017 White Sox, but maybe some could be a long-term starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I'm curious in knowing when Asche's number retirement and statue unveiling will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Apr 11, 2017 -> 10:42 AM) I'm not complaining just to complain, but thank you for your feedback. You seem to admit that he's a warm body, but when I say a different warm body would help us either lose more or win more, you seem to take exception to that. A worse minor league would help us lose more. Do you dispute this? A proven ML free agent would help us win more. Do you dispute this? Since it's the DH position, literally ANY ML free agent who was at the end of his career, or fourth outfielder type, or fifth infielder type, or.....anyone would have been fine if we were trying to win. Since it's the DH position, literally ANY minor leaguer who can hold a bat would have been fine if we were trying to lose. My point is that the the TYPE of player he is is WRONG FOR OUR PARK if we were trying to get offensive value here. Could you please respond to THAT POINT? Thank you. How is he wrong for the park? I don't understand what you're getting at. Because he is a minor leaguer who can hold a bat. He seems to fit your description perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 11, 2017 -> 11:00 AM) Experimenting with random prove-it or lose-it AAAA types on a rebuilding season is exactly what I wanted them to do. You may strike gold like Philly did. Asche could prove it, or then LIriana will come up, or Garcia. None will really impact the 2017 White Sox, but maybe some could be a long-term starter. Again, with all of these guys if you strike gold on ONE of them, it is a win for the organization. If we get a Esteban Loiaza out of the bunch, the Sox win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I don't understand how he sucks too much to be considered for a roster spot and yet will vault the Sox to 77 wins at the same time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Apr 11, 2017 -> 11:14 AM) I don't understand how he sucks too much to be considered for a roster spot and yet will vault the Sox to 77 wins at the same time lol right? He's exactly the type of player he's arguing to be in the lineup instead: just a guy. Edited April 11, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 10, 2017 -> 05:32 PM) Who? Tell me who. Who is this miracle player we have that has the ability to step in and be better than Asche? The easiest way to put this is that Asche has done more at the major league level, than the rest of our minor leaguers have done at the minor league level. The bolded is the answer to your own question. The Sox organization knows that the guys they have either can't play, or they don't want to start their clocks in order to save another year of service. I don't know. There may not be one. But we know Asche isn't one. So give the other guys a chance. The bolded part of your response is the essence of our disagreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Apr 11, 2017 -> 11:50 AM) I don't know. There may not be one. But we know Asche isn't one. So give the other guys a chance. The bolded part of your response is the essence of our disagreement. So who do they have that can play, and they are willing to start the clock on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 At some point soon, I wouldn't mind seeing Davidson/Hayes in a DH platoon and Delmonico at 3B with Frazier gone but having Cody Asche is completely fine and being mad about him being here is pretty irrational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Apr 11, 2017 -> 11:55 AM) At some point soon, I wouldn't mind seeing Davidson/Hayes in a DH platoon and Delmonico at 3B with Frazier gone but having Cody Asche is completely fine and being mad about him being here is pretty irrational. Exactly. Hopefully we're not too far from seeing Hayes in the mix at 1B and DH. Delmonico hopefully can come up and handle 3B ASAP but I don't think Frazier is getting moved anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Can Delmonico play third base? I thought he was just an outfielder now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Apr 11, 2017 -> 12:04 PM) Can Delmonico play third base? I thought he was just an outfielder now. Every game he has played this year has been at 3B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Apr 11, 2017 -> 12:04 PM) Can Delmonico play third base? I thought he was just an outfielder now. He's the 3B at Charlotte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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