The Korea Situation; It's Very Serious

[greg775]

I was reading CNN story today on China having a pretty serious comment about this situation. China told us to not do anything drastic as our ships near North Korea.

Meanwhile, North Korea says it has the capability to obliterate the US occupied sites in South Korea, including a presidential palace or something like that?

North Korea has threatened us saying they will retaliate in war if we do anything like we did in Syria. The question is if we bomb North Korea does China start war with us? Lotta questions I know but my question to you is ...

Is this serious or not? I would say, because of China's stance it is serious.

[EvilMonkey]

China really needs to step up here and put their rabid dog down. They don't need the instability in the region that he provides (nobody does), they don't need millions of refugees pouring over their shared border should conflict start and they don't want a Democracy (like South Korea) right on their border, they like having that buffer there. So it is really up to China to solve this. Go in there, put a bullet in his fat little head and hand pick the next guy in charge. Someone who will still rule and keep the people in check but not be as crazy about it.

 

i had really thought for a while right when he took over that he would have just taken the billions that his old man had stashed away around the world and said 'hey SK, you can have it, I am outta here!' and went off to the Bahamas or something to live in luxury. With all that cash he would still have hot women fawning all over him (assuming NK HAS any hot women) and people jumping at his every whim, he just wouldn't have to worry about being a megalomaniac, or which general to have killed this week. He had been outside of NK, knows what the real world is like, and yet went back. Big fish in a dirty, little pond.

[caulfield12]

Ivanka is skiing again, this time in Canada.

 

Not serious.

[Kyyle23]

China really needs to step up here and put their rabid dog down. They don't need the instability in the region that he provides (nobody does), they don't need millions of refugees pouring over their shared border should conflict start and they don't want a Democracy (like South Korea) right on their border, they like having that buffer there. So it is really up to China to solve this. Go in there, put a bullet in his fat little head and hand pick the next guy in charge. Someone who will still rule and keep the people in check but not be as crazy about it.

 

i had really thought for a while right when he took over that he would have just taken the billions that his old man had stashed away around the world and said 'hey SK, you can have it, I am outta here!' and went off to the Bahamas or something to live in luxury. With all that cash he would still have hot women fawning all over him (assuming NK HAS any hot women) and people jumping at his every whim, he just wouldn't have to worry about being a megalomaniac, or which general to have killed this week. He had been outside of NK, knows what the real world is like, and yet went back. Big fish in a dirty, little pond.

 

This confuses me too. It is one thing to have never left the country and think all of the things that KG-IL said about the outside world were true, but KG Un lived abroad, went to college, and now he is threatening nuclear conflict. The guy has to understand that if he pulls the trigger, ever, he will be dead very shortly thereafter, along with his entire country.

[EvilMonkey]

???

Trump is living rent free in his head and he can't comment without it somehow relating to trump. he is not alone on this forum, or Facebook, or Twitter.

[StrangeSox]

Aircraft Carrier Wasn’t Sailing to Deter North Korea, as U.S. Suggested

WASHINGTON — As worries deepened last week about whether North Korea would conduct a missile test, the White House declared that ordering an American aircraft carrier into the Sea of Japan would send a powerful deterrent signal and give President Trump more options in responding to the North’s provocative behavior.

 

The problem was, the carrier, the Carl Vinson, and the four other warships in its strike force were at that very moment sailing in the opposite direction, to take part in joint exercises with the Australian Navy in the Indian Ocean, 3,500 miles southwest of the Korean Peninsula.

 

White House officials said on Tuesday they were relying on guidance from the Defense Department. Officials there described a glitch-ridden sequence of events, from a premature announcement of the deployment by the military’s Pacific Command to an erroneous explanation by Defense Secretary Jim Mattis — all of which perpetuated the false narrative that an American armada was racing toward the waters off North Korea.

 

[...]

 

The saga of the wayward carrier might never have come to light, had the Navy not posted a photograph on Monday of the Carl Vinson sailing through the Sunda Strait, which separates the Indonesian islands of Java and Sumatra. The picture was taken on Saturday, four days after the White House press secretary, Sean Spicer, described its mission in the Sea of Japan.

 

The Carl Vinson is now on a northerly course for the Korean Peninsula and is expected to arrive in the region sometime next week, Defense Department officials said. The White House declined to comment on the misunderstanding, referring all questions to the Pentagon. “Sean discussed it once when asked, and it was all about process,” said a spokesman, Michael Short.

 

[caulfield12]

I'm just wondering how Trump's daughter's skiing comes into play to the serious issue in NK. It's almost like translating a different language.

 

You need to follow current events.

 

Everything bad that has happened with this administration, it's happened from Friday night to Saturday night (Jewish observance) OR when the Kushners were out of town.

 

For example, the first immigration/travel ban. The now infamous Saturday morning "Obama wiretapped me...bad/sick" tweet.

 

The AHCA went down in flames when the Kushners were in Aspen entertaining Russian oligarchs and blocking traffic throughout the entire town because all three kids and their extended families were there, requiring 100 Secret Service agents and numerous roadblocks.

 

ETC.

Edited April 19, 2017 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

Trump is living rent free in his head and he can't comment without it somehow relating to trump. he is not alone on this forum, or Facebook, or Twitter.

 

That's obviously MUCH more of a concern to the electorate than the POPULAR VOTE as well as PRESIDENT OBAMA living rent free in Trump's head.

 

Heck, SNL is living rent free in his head.

[caulfield12]

Whoa, American current events are different in China.

 

Still doesn't change the fact that 3 of the 4 biggest events of the Trump presidency happened while she was gone/unavailable.

 

Immigration ban/announcement, AHCA non-vote, and his Saturday morning Obama wiretapping allegation tweet which has led to the Russia investigation.

 

You can argue for the Syria (symbolic) attack and Gorsuch nomination/press conference. One of those is probably #4.

[caulfield12]

Arguably the 3 most important mistakes of the Trump presidency have all taken place when Jared and Ivanka were unavailable.

 

No pattern or trend to see there at all, when literally hundreds of articles have been written on this topic by the mainstream press.

 

Puts tinfoil hat on and throws out every conservative conspiracy ever without researching the validity of any of them. 10-15% of them, maybe, stick.

 

[greg775]

Anybody get the feeling we're gonna wake up one day to the mother of all international crises in North Korea?

[caulfield12]

China and Russia are definitely taking notice, massing troops and planes near the border region...

[greg775]

Guys, N. Korea fired another missile -- this one too close for Japan's comfort.

I ask you as citizens of the world, would you accept Trump putting a bounty on the head of Kim Jong-un? This guy won't stop and it's obvious his firing that missile today is mocking our 4th of July holiday. Will China allow us killing Jong-un and doing nothing else? Trump is a loose cannon and you can expect him to do something really significant very soon IMO. Jong-un is doing this just to prove he's a badass. We can't sit and wait around for his missiles to hit one of our allies or worse, the US Mainland or Hawaii.

I told you all N. Korea will cause WWIII and may even succeed in bringing nukes into the equation. Nukes are coming if Jong-Un isn't removed from this earth. I don't think China is ready to support us fully regarding N. Korea.

[Heads22]

Guys, N. Korea fired another missile -- this one too close for Japan's comfort.

I ask you as citizens of the world, would you accept Trump putting a bounty on the head of Kim Jong-un? This guy won't stop and it's obvious his firing that missile today is mocking our 4th of July holiday. Will China allow us killing Jong-un and doing nothing else? Trump is a loose cannon and you can expect him to do something really significant very soon IMO. Jong-un is doing this just to prove he's a badass. We can't sit and wait around for his missiles to hit one of our allies or worse, the US Mainland or Hawaii.

I told you all N. Korea will cause WWIII and may even succeed in bringing nukes into the equation. Nukes are coming if Jong-Un isn't removed from this earth. I don't think China is ready to support us fully regarding N. Korea.

 

 

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/5/9/15516278...-than-you-think

[Quin]

Greg, that's how you get WW3

[greg775]

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/5/9/15516278...-than-you-think

Good story.

Unfortunately there is going to be a terrible disaster coming soon. We are going to do something and Jong-Un will blow South Korea off the map so to speak. Then we will hit N. Korea so hard the whole Koreas will be a nuclear wasteland. At that point, we'll see how China and Russia react to our behavior.

I would not want to be in S. Korea right now. Americans better be getting the hell out of there.

[caulfield12]

Trump's unpopularity makes it much more difficult for them politically to support him. The recent Pew Global Attitudes poll showed Trump with rock bottom approval ratings across the world. Only in Russia and Israel did more people trust him to do the right thing than former President Barack Obama.

 

The former President, meanwhile, has stayed mostly out of the limelight. But Monday, Obama couldn't resist during a Seoul conference organized by South Korea's Chosun Ilbo media group, saying the Paris climate accord won't vanish despite the "temporary absence" of American leadership.

 

"The Paris agreement," Obama said, "even with the temporary absence of US leadership, will still be a critical factor in helping our children solve the enormous challenge in civilization."

 

...

 

The US has significantly stiffened resistance to Iran in the Middle East, a reorientation that was the underlying theme of Trump's first stops in Saudi Arabia and Israel.

 

But at the same time, there is no real clarity on the Trump administration's strategy on Syria following the apparently imminent eradication of ISIS strongholds. Iran envisages a future Shiite crescent of influence, that would stretch from Tehran through Iraq, Syria and into Lebanon, backed by Russia, and would change the balance of power in the region.

 

It is unclear how actively the Trump administration plans to resist such a scenario, in concert with allies like Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, Egypt and Jordan.

 

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/wor...rump/index.html

The world looks past Donald Trump

Edited July 4, 2017 by caulfield12

[southsider2k5]

Greg, that's how you get WW3

 

Or by publicly trolling Russia for some votes...

[greg775]

I think personally it's time for an official warning. We tell China, Russia, North Korea and South Korea that if there is one more missile test, we will be dropping 3 bombs on North Korea, hopefully where Kim Jon Un is residing.

We tell S. Korea to take the necessary precautions. We tell Americans in South Korea it might be wise to get the hell out of there. We cannot risk this any more. The last bomb can reach U.S. soil. We have not developed technology apparently to blow up the bomb in the sky.

 

What else can we do? War sucks but if China and Russia won't get him to stop this nuclear bulls***, we have to try to take out the North Korean president. Otherwise he will lob a nuke at Alaska and eventually our mainland.

 

Do you agree?? They are leaving us with no options.

[caulfield12]

I think personally it's time for an official warning. We tell China, Russia, North Korea and South Korea that if there is one more missile test, we will be dropping 3 bombs on North Korea, hopefully where Kim Jon Un is residing.

We tell S. Korea to take the necessary precautions. We tell Americans in South Korea it might be wise to get the hell out of there. We cannot risk this any more. The last bomb can reach U.S. soil. We have not developed technology apparently to blow up the bomb in the sky.

 

What else can we do? War sucks but if China and Russia won't get him to stop this nuclear bulls***, we have to try to take out the North Korean president. Otherwise he will lob a nuke at Alaska and eventually our mainland.

 

Do you agree?? They are leaving us with no options.

 

They have the technology, but it's not 100%. Close.

 

Right now, they would have to defend Alaska, but oil refineries are probably the most logical target. Pretty sure we have an air base as well.

Edited July 6, 2017 by caulfield12

[StrangeSox]

NK has somewhat unreliable liquid fueled icbm technology. They're still missing stable nuclear warhead, guidance, warhead reentry, and warhead detonation technology. Even the US expects a decent dud/failure rate with nuclear weapons which is why we'd launch so many at once in an attack.

 

Attacking NK means a lot of dead Koreans on both sides of the border, another massive refugee crisis and another long, drawn out occupation.

[Heads22]

I think personally it's time for an official warning. We tell China, Russia, North Korea and South Korea that if there is one more missile test, we will be dropping 3 bombs on North Korea, hopefully where Kim Jon Un is residing.

We tell S. Korea to take the necessary precautions. We tell Americans in South Korea it might be wise to get the hell out of there. We cannot risk this any more. The last bomb can reach U.S. soil. We have not developed technology apparently to blow up the bomb in the sky.

 

What else can we do? War sucks but if China and Russia won't get him to stop this nuclear bulls***, we have to try to take out the North Korean president. Otherwise he will lob a nuke at Alaska and eventually our mainland.

 

Do you agree?? They are leaving us with no options.

 

That's the absolute best way to get people killed.

 

There's no real incentive for NK to launch nukes. Everything NK has ever done has been to stay in power. They've seen other regimes fall without the nuclear safeguard. There's no real incentive for them to fire first. And if they do, there's no guarantee that they'll be able to hit the US mainland, but there is a guarantee that they'd be wiped off the map.

 

Deterrence isn't the sexy option, but it keeps Americans and South Koreans and Japanese and Chinese and even more North Koreans from getting killed.

[greg775]

That's the absolute best way to get people killed.

 

There's no real incentive for NK to launch nukes. Everything NK has ever done has been to stay in power. They've seen other regimes fall without the nuclear safeguard. There's no real incentive for them to fire first. And if they do, there's no guarantee that they'll be able to hit the US mainland, but there is a guarantee that they'd be wiped off the map.

 

Deterrence isn't the sexy option, but it keeps Americans and South Koreans and Japanese and Chinese and even more North Koreans from getting killed.

With a guy like Trump in power I think it's sooner rather than later something big happens in North Korea.

[Heads22]

With a guy like Trump in power I think it's sooner rather than later something big happens in North Korea.

 

Why is it in North Korea's interest to lob a single nuke our way?

[StrangeSox]

We've already got two wars that have lasted well over a decade, cost trillions upon trillions of dollars, cost hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives and sparked huge refugee crises. Why not add a third?