elrockinMT Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 What might be the match up of Japanese Otami, who can pitch and play the field, and the Cuban phenom Robert? We only had two Japanese players that I remember and both did pretty good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Apr 20, 2017 -> 07:41 PM) What might be the match up of Japanese Otami, who can pitch and play the field, and the Cuban phenom Robert? We only had two Japanese players that I remember and both did pretty good If I had a choice between Otani and Robert I would take Otani without thinking twice. Dig the idea of Otani pitching every fifth game and DH'ing the four games in between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 Dan Hayes @CSNHayes 4m They'll face good competition, but the #WhiteSox look to make a strong push for the services of Cuban Luis Robert, who is now a free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Yeah, I don't see Robert signing here. Not with THIS ownership, & not with THIS front office. But most of all, I cant see this happening here at the prices he's rumored to command. I'll guess that we'll get to see Robert play in St Louis for a decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Apr 20, 2017 -> 08:13 PM) Yeah, I don't see Robert signing here. Not with THIS ownership, & not with THIS front office. But most of all, I cant see this happening here at the prices he's rumored to command. I'll guess that we'll get to see Robert play in St Louis for a decade. Haven't the "rumored" prices he's going to command all come from Soxtalker's spit-balling numbers? Unless I've overlooked an article I don't recall seeing anything about a specified $ amount he's looking to command. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Apr 20, 2017 -> 08:13 PM) Yeah, I don't see Robert signing here. Not with THIS ownership, & not with THIS front office. But most of all, I cant see this happening here at the prices he's rumored to command. I'll guess that we'll get to see Robert play in St Louis for a decade. Do the Cardinals have a history of spending big? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Apr 20, 2017 -> 08:07 PM) Dan Hayes @CSNHayes 4m They'll face good competition, but the #WhiteSox look to make a strong push for the services of Cuban Luis Robert, who is now a free agent. Theres actually article with this from hayes. #WhiteSox eyeing newly cleared Cuban free agent Luis Robert: https://t.co/6O7p50ie8M (@CSNHayes) #WhiteSoxTalk https://t.co/uhT2yYIAXx https://twitter.com/CSNChicago/status/855225163142623232 http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-white-so...ent-luis-robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Apr 20, 2017 -> 09:33 PM) Do the Cardinals have a history of spending big? Stop that. Only the White Sox have a history of not spending big money. Every other team has a payroll at least twice that of the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 The precedents of outspending markets exist for Albert Belle, Joe Borchard, Viciedo and Abreu (although every MLB team wasn't looking 1B that off-season, including most of the big spenders). Dunn and Robertson would be other examples for DH's and relievers. It does make sense with our long history with Cuban players, not to mention the presence of Abreu, Moncada and even Rodon's family background. That said, like MOST of the time we've been excited about acquiring a player or a potential trade, will only believe it when I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 20, 2017 -> 10:10 PM) The precedents of outspending markets exist for Albert Belle, Joe Borchard, Viciedo and Abreu (although every MLB team wasn't looking 1B that off-season, including most of the big spenders). Dunn and Robertson would be other examples for DH's and relievers. It does make sense with our long history with Cuban players, not to mention the presence of Abreu, Moncada and even Rodon's family background. That said, like MOST of the time we've been excited about acquiring a player or a potential trade, will only believe it when I see it. I recall Abreu signing during the playoffs with the Red Sox as an interested team, who were in the post-season. Would be tough to make a signing at that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Apr 20, 2017 -> 09:33 PM) Do the Cardinals have a history of spending big? A better question is: "Do the Cardinals (or Pads or Reds) have an owner who is on record as being against spending money on prospects?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Apr 21, 2017 -> 07:45 AM) A better question is: "Do the Cardinals (or Pads or Reds) have an owner who is on record as being against spending money on prospects?" A lot of us(including myself) never thought the Sox would go into rebuilding mode and here we are. I obviously have no clue if we're going to sign him but we're going to be very much involved in this. Edited April 21, 2017 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Apr 20, 2017 -> 10:24 PM) I recall Abreu signing during the playoffs with the Red Sox as an interested team, who were in the post-season. Would be tough to make a signing at that time. I don't recall the timing, but signing a 27 year old Jose Abreu doesn't seem to be anything like pursuing a 19/20 year old Robert. The former seems like KW's treasured policy of pursuing veterans. Any pursuit of Robert would seem to go contrary to Reinsdorf's reluctance to spend on "just prospects." Moreover, I can't recall an example where this org beat out other MLB teams to sign a youngster where other teams were interested and involved in pursuing a youngster. Belle, Borchard, and Abreu were veteran players, unlike Robert. Borchard was a draftee. Viciedo did not gin up as much interest & competition for his services as Robert. I see no precedence in recent years from this org. On balance, signing Robert seems incredibly unlikely to me. Edited April 21, 2017 by Two-Gun Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Apr 21, 2017 -> 07:51 AM) A lot of us(including myself) never thought the Sox would go into rebuilding mode and here we are. I obviously have no clue if we're going to sign him but we're going to be very much involved in this. I hear you. But I also hear Jerry say, "Prospects are just prospects." I also recall a decade of refusal to go over slot in the draft (under the previous CBA.). And I also can't recall a young international FA of Robert's prominence being signed by this Front Office. There's a long history of behavioural precedence to contraindicate this type of signing as being likely. I'd be as happy as a pig in slop if Robert were to sign here, but as a SOX fan with my eyes wide open, I'm accustomed to disappointment and stupid front office decisions. We'll see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Apr 21, 2017 -> 07:52 AM) I don't recall the timing, but signing a 27 year old Jose Abreu doesn't seem to be anything like pursuing a 19/20 year old Robert. The former seems like KW's treasured policy of pursuing veterans. Any pursuit of Robert would seem to go contrary to Reinsdorf's reluctance to spend on "just prospects." Moreover, I can't recall an example where this org beat out other MLB teams to sign a youngster where other teams were interested and involved in pursuing a youngster. Belle, Borchard, and Abreu were veteran players, unlike Robert. Borchard was a draftee. Viciedo did not gin up as much interest & competition for his services as Robert. I see no precedence in recent years from this org. On balance, signing Robert seems incredibly unlikely to me. The White Sox finished 2nd on Jorge Soler and offered him in the $25 million range. He took 9/30 from the Cubs. Sox also had a monster offer for Masahiro Tanaka. I've criticized JR a fair share over the years for draft and international spending habits but this is different. If the people he trusts in his organization want this guy, he'll spend the money. I'm not really worried about that in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 QUOTE (ptatc @ Apr 20, 2017 -> 09:55 PM) Stop that. Only the White Sox have a history of not spending big money. Every other team has a payroll at least twice that of the Sox. The Sox are one of only three teams to never hand out a contract greater than $70 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 It seems like the Sox, Padres, and Cardinals are the most likely landing spots for Robert as of now. The Padres have already spent a ton on amateurs, so I think it'll come down to the Sox and St. Louis. Hopefully Reinsdorf spends like he should to get this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Apr 21, 2017 -> 08:13 AM) The White Sox finished 2nd on Jorge Soler and offered him in the $25 million range. He took 9/30 from the Cubs. Sox also had a monster offer for Masahiro Tanaka. I've criticized JR a fair share over the years for draft and international spending habits but this is different. If the people he trusts in his organization want this guy, he'll spend the money. Ok, you realize that your two examples cited here are FAILED international signings, right? Failing to sign Soler and failing to sign Tanaka actually makes it appear more likely that the Sox will (here's that word again) FAIL to sign Robert, based on historical precedent. I'm not picking on you, but KW & RH coming to a press conference to tell the fans "we tried" to sign Robert seems like an extension of the failures with Soler & Tanaka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Apr 21, 2017 -> 08:23 AM) Ok, you realize that your two examples cited here are FAILED international signings, right? Failing to sign Soler and failing to sign Tanaka actually makes it appear more likely that the Sox will (here's that word again) FAIL to sign Robert, based on historical precedent. I'm not picking on you, but KW & RH coming to a press conference to tell the fans "we tried" to sign Robert seems like an extension of the failures with Soler & Tanaka. Considering 1 out of 30 teams actually signs a player, the majority of times, most teams FAIL to sign an individual player, therefore we probably should consider Robert signing with anyone a longshot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Apr 21, 2017 -> 08:23 AM) Ok, you realize that your two examples cited here are FAILED international signings, right? Failing to sign Soler and failing to sign Tanaka actually makes it appear more likely that the Sox will (here's that word again) FAIL to sign Robert, based on historical precedent. I'm not picking on you, but KW & RH coming to a press conference to tell the fans "we tried" to sign Robert seems like an extension of the failures with Soler & Tanaka. Your point was that they were cheap though. Just because they didn't land those two guys, it doesn't mean they are cheap. They want hard on both and the guys picked other destinations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Apr 21, 2017 -> 07:52 AM) I don't recall the timing, but signing a 27 year old Jose Abreu doesn't seem to be anything like pursuing a 19/20 year old Robert. The former seems like KW's treasured policy of pursuing veterans. Any pursuit of Robert would seem to go contrary to Reinsdorf's reluctance to spend on "just prospects." Moreover, I can't recall an example where this org beat out other MLB teams to sign a youngster where other teams were interested and involved in pursuing a youngster. Belle, Borchard, and Abreu were veteran players, unlike Robert. Borchard was a draftee. Viciedo did not gin up as much interest & competition for his services as Robert. I see no precedence in recent years from this org. On balance, signing Robert seems incredibly unlikely to me. I do 100% agree with this. The first part of my post was more about teams not being to really sign Abreu due to the playoffs going on. I know the Red Sox were interested and had Napoli at first on an expiring contract. Would seem difficult to sign Abreu at that point in time. Edited April 21, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 People keep on repeating that JR doesnt like prospects which is taken totally out of context. He hasn't liked prospects because he was always in win now mode. Most fans loved that about him at the time. He didnt want to wait on prospects and while he had this mindset many of the same people griping now are the ones that backed him then because they wanted to win now during that time too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin city sox fan Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I think we need to work out a long term extension with Avi first. If we have enough money leftover after this to make a successful run at Luis, lets do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Apr 21, 2017 -> 08:31 AM) Your point was that they were cheap though. No,that isn't central to my view on this. My view is that this organization hates to sign prospects because (in Jerry's words, not mine) "Prospects are just prospects." Moreover, recent history indicates that this organization will inevitably fail to get the 20 year old youngster in international FA, but when it comes to landing the 30+ year old veteran who's in decline, "Kenny always gets his man." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 QUOTE (shipps @ Apr 21, 2017 -> 08:58 AM) People keep on repeating that JR doesnt like prospects which is taken totally out of context. He hasn't liked prospects because he was always in win now mode. Most fans loved that about him at the time. He didnt want to wait on prospects and while he had this mindset many of the same people griping now are the ones that backed him then because they wanted to win now during that time too. With us being in rebuild mode the next several years making a very strong push to sign Robert makes a ton of sense All sources seem to indicate that he is a top 25 overall prospect right now, and projects as a starting caliber corner outfielder (remains to be seen if he can stick in center) Goes without saying Soxtalk wants this guy badly, at nearly any reasonable cost. Time to open the checkbook and act like a big boy club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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