Nate Jones to 10 Day DL (retro to May 1)

[ptatc]

Apparently this injury doesn't seem to be overly serious and they hope he's back within 2 weeks or so.

 

Perhaps it was more cautionary than anything else.

I wonder if this isn't more of the very conservative approach they are taking this year?

 

Numbness and tingling into the hand is not a good sign for him.

[Lip Man 1]

You sure you cannot rehab while on the DL? I think that just means he can't come back to the ML before June 1, but pretty sure he can pitch in AAA.

 

Also...you'll notice DL stints are way up across the league. The 10 day DL allows teams much more flexibility. Obviously the bullpen has taken a bit of a hit so far this year, but its not like this is some crazy phenomenon only occurring on the SOx.

 

You're right I think I worded that wrong. He can rehab and work but he won't be pitching in a big league game before June 1.

 

Regarding injuries, I checked last night and there is one team that does not have anyone on the DL right now...and...naturally...that's the Cubs.

 

The difference is the White Sox need guys healthy so they can get something for them, this is critical towards the rebuild.

 

And in typical Sox luck, they get blasted by injuries.

 

Mark

 

[Lip Man 1]

Wow the injuries to the bullpen the last couple years....

 

The injuries to the TEAM the last couple of years.

 

Mark

[Lip Man 1]

Apparently this injury doesn't seem to be overly serious and they hope he's back within 2 weeks or so.

 

Perhaps it was more cautionary than anything else.

 

Hahn has been saying everything is "minor" all year...seen any of the injured guys back yet?

 

No disrespect, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

Mark

 

[southsider2k5]

Hahn has been saying everything is "minor" all year...seen any of the injured guys back yet?

 

No disrespect, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

Mark

 

Both Abreu and Avi had "minor" injuries and were back in the course of a day or two.

[ChiSox59]

You're right I think I worded that wrong. He can rehab and work but he won't be pitching in a big league game before June 1.

 

Regarding injuries, I checked last night and there is one team that does not have anyone on the DL right now...and...naturally...that's the Cubs.

 

The difference is the White Sox need guys healthy so they can get something for them, this is critical towards the rebuild.

 

And in typical Sox luck, they get blasted by injuries.

 

Mark

 

I don't really think you can call the Sox unlucky to this point.

[beautox]

Here is hoping its a fast recovery and he is back in 10-14 days really hoping this isn't another Jesse Crain situation where he was dominate then fell apart before we could move him; obviously Nate has more control left.

[Lip Man 1]

Both Abreu and Avi had "minor" injuries and were back in the course of a day or two.

 

You know very well I'm talking about guys on the DL. Go back and read his statements on them. Look at his comments on Shields for example. And why the silence on the other relief pitchers, one of whom, Putnam was due off the DL today, and Petricka who has been on there now for five weeks.

[greg775]

I'd like to hear ptatc's take on Nate's throwing motion. It looks very hard on the elbow to me the way he moves he arm way away from his body then heaves it home. I will accept ptatc's take on the matter. I think he has always been an injury waiting to happen.

[Wanne]

I'd like to hear ptatc's take on Nate's throwing motion. It looks very hard on the elbow to me the way he moves he arm way away from his body then heaves it home. I will accept ptatc's take on the matter. I think he has always been an injury waiting to happen.

 

 

yeah...I think this will always be the MO with Jones. Was hoping he'd skate thru the season healthy...and package him in a nice deal.

Edited May 5, 2017 by Wanne

[southsider2k5]

You know very well I'm talking about guys on the DL. Go back and read his statements on them. Look at his comments on Shields for example. And why the silence on the other relief pitchers, one of whom, Putnam was due off the DL today, and Petricka who has been on there now for five weeks.

 

Oh the entitlement.

[caulfield12]

Putnam hasn't been able to stay healthy, and he doesn't have dominant stuff (on the radar gun), so those two factors weigh down his value, along with being RH. Petricka was just another guy.

 

Not being able to dump Shields' contract off on someone hurts mostly in a financial sense.

 

Otoh, Holland and Miguel Gonzalez are intriguing options, and obviously David Robertson. Hopefully Frazier can get his average back in the 240's or 250's, he could bring a nice piece back depending on other 3B on the market, Cabrera will end up mostly a salary dump.

 

In the end, they really need Rodon to come out of this healthy by the time 2019 rolls around, whatever's wrong with him. Anderson needs to look much more dangerous than his bottom 5% OPS would indicate.

 

As for the next few months, even if Jones can't come back, they've still got Swarzak and Kahnle that are increasingly intriguing, not to mention Burdi lurking in AAA. It's not like they have to worry so much about service time with him either, White Sox closers never make it into arbritration years.

 

 

[Heads22]

Putnam hasn't been able to stay healthy, and he doesn't have dominant stuff (on the radar gun), so those two factors weigh down his value, along with being RH. Petricka was just another guy.

 

Not being able to dump Shields' contract off on someone hurts mostly in a financial sense.

 

Otoh, Holland and Miguel Gonzalez are intriguing options, and obviously David Robertson. Hopefully Frazier can get his average back in the 240's or 250's, he could bring a nice piece back depending on other 3B on the market, Cabrera will end up mostly a salary dump.

 

In the end, they really need Rodon to come out of this healthy by the time 2019 rolls around, whatever's wrong with him. Anderson needs to look much more dangerous than his bottom 5% OPS would indicate.

 

As for the next few months, even if Jones can't come back, they've still got Swarzak and Kahnle that are increasingly intriguing, not to mention Burdi lurking in AAA. It's not like they have to worry so much about service time with him either, White Sox closers never make it into arbritration years.

 

I really don't think Petricka gets enough credit for how helpful he can be for a pen when healthy, which sadly hasn't been enough. If your bullpen is healthy and Robertson is your 9th inning guy, Jones your 8th inning guy (and apparently Swarzak is the best pitcher in baseball) then he and Putnam just need to be your 6th/7th inning guys - which they have enough talent to be. I really wish both could stay off the DL.

[caulfield12]

I really don't think Petricka gets enough credit for how helpful he can be for a pen when healthy, which sadly hasn't been enough. If your bullpen is healthy and Robertson is your 9th inning guy, Jones your 8th inning guy (and apparently Swarzak is the best pitcher in baseball) then he and Putnam just need to be your 6th/7th inning guys - which they have enough talent to be. I really wish both could stay off the DL.

 

Well, he originally had starter's stuff...and when on, he was looked at by some (including the White Sox) as a future closer, at least he was used that way by Ventura his rookie year in the second half.

 

With the injury history, though, I'm sure his value to the Sox (if/when he recovers) is probably higher than it is to other teams.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Putnam hasn't been able to stay healthy, and he doesn't have dominant stuff (on the radar gun), so those two factors weigh down his value, along with being RH. Petricka was just another guy.

 

Not being able to dump Shields' contract off on someone hurts mostly in a financial sense.

 

Otoh, Holland and Miguel Gonzalez are intriguing options, and obviously David Robertson. Hopefully Frazier can get his average back in the 240's or 250's, he could bring a nice piece back depending on other 3B on the market, Cabrera will end up mostly a salary dump.

 

In the end, they really need Rodon to come out of this healthy by the time 2019 rolls around, whatever's wrong with him. Anderson needs to look much more dangerous than his bottom 5% OPS would indicate.

 

As for the next few months, even if Jones can't come back, they've still got Swarzak and Kahnle that are increasingly intriguing, not to mention Burdi lurking in AAA. It's not like they have to worry so much about service time with him either, White Sox closers never make it into arbritration years.

Going to be at least a month or 1 1/2 months till teams start looking for pieces. Q/ Robertson and pending FA's might be the priority but anyone expecting 5 or more trades will probably be disappointed. After all you need starting pitching to finish the season and bullpen pitchers also. Just have to wait to see who is healthy and who else decides to sell.

 

I don't know how many sellable pieces the Sox will have then , probably more than half the 25 man roster to varying degrees.

[Lip Man 1]

Oh the entitlement.

 

Oh the arrogance.

 

Mark

[ptatc]

Oh the arrogance.

 

Mark

This from the only person who signs his name to each post. Ironic

[caulfield12]

Going to be at least a month or 1 1/2 months till teams start looking for pieces. Q/ Robertson and pending FA's might be the priority but anyone expecting 5 or more trades will probably be disappointed. After all you need starting pitching to finish the season and bullpen pitchers also. Just have to wait to see who is healthy and who else decides to sell.

 

I don't know how many sellable pieces the Sox will have then , probably more than half the 25 man roster to varying degrees.

 

 

 

1. Quintana (but might be hard to trade in June/July)

2. Robertson

 

3. Nate Jones (depending on health)

 

4. Todd Frazier

5. Derek Holland (depending on health)

6. Miguel Gonzalez

7. Melky Cabrera

 

8. Anthony Swarzak (free agent after this year, get what you can for him ASAP)

9. James Shields (depending on health)

10. Pelfrey

 

Assuming they're not going to trade Abreu (and circumstances could certainly change), that leaves you with another list of guys like Kahnle, Tyler Saladino, Leury Garcia, Carlos Sanchez, Geo Soto, etc. They're in a holding pattern with Avi Garcia for now. Davidson/Hayes/Delmonico all need to get at-bats in the 2nd half, along with Moncada.

 

Robertson, Frazier, Holland and/or Gonzalez, Cabrera, Swarzak, Shields and Pelfrey are the obvious ones to go. No surprises. (Nobody's going to trust Kahnle as the Kelvin Herrera yet.)

 

That said, you've got four starting pitchers there and might need to keep at least 1-2 of them to protect the youngsters.

 

 

 

Giving Fulmer, Lopez and Danish first cracks at the rotation (along with Burdi in relief)

Giolito/Kopech

Dunning

Edited May 5, 2017 by caulfield12

[ptatc]

I'd like to hear ptatc's take on Nate's throwing motion. It looks very hard on the elbow to me the way he moves he arm way away from his body then heaves it home. I will accept ptatc's take on the matter. I think he has always been an injury waiting to happen.

I've always wondered about that really slow windup but other than that it really isn't remarkable. He does throw from a pretty low arm slot, that can add stress to the elbow.

[caulfield12]

This from the only person who signs his name to each post. Ironic

 

Greg does do the whole third person thing.

 

I guess if you signed every post "Ptatc" at the end, it would be more authoritative, lol...like "PTATC has spoken, that's officially the end of the debate."

 

On the other hand, it's hard for professional writers to get rid of their habits. I'm pretty sure it's something he picked up as a journalist and then online blogger, and I suppose it does make you more "familiar" with someone if you see their first name repetitively.

Edited May 5, 2017 by caulfield12

[ChiSox59]

Oh the arrogance.

 

Mark

 

This post made me laugh out loud.

[ptatc]

Greg does do the whole third person thing.

 

I guess if you signed every post "Ptatc" at the end, it would be more authoritative, lol...like "PTATC has spoken, that's officially the end of the debate."

 

On the other hand, it's hard for professional writers to get rid of their habits. I'm pretty sure it's something he picked up as a journalist and then online blogger, and I suppose it does make you more "familiar" with someone if you see their first name repetitively.

Oh please. I have to sign my name and my credentials every time I write a patient note. You don't see my write my name with EdD,PT,MHS,SCS,ATC after each time I post on here like I do with every patient.

[southsider2k5]

Oh the arrogance.

 

Mark

 

That is actually a much better word for it, thanks.

[Jake]

Both Abreu and Avi had "minor" injuries and were back in the course of a day or two.

 

Yeah but if you ignore the people who healed quickly, everyone healed slowly!

[southsider2k5]

Yeah but if you ignore the people who healed quickly, everyone healed slowly!

 

So what you are telling is that people who went on to the DL were more injured than those that didn't? That is a pretty ballsy theory.