iamshack Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 19, 2017 -> 09:17 PM) Still think they want a true closer. To me, Dodgers are a great fit for Kahnle I mean the issue with Washington is they need a whole back-end of the f***ing bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 19, 2017 -> 11:19 PM) I mean the issue with Washington is they need a whole back-end of the f***ing bullpen. Yup. If the Rays are out, they'll want Colome the most. Then they can build from there (Kahnle, etc.). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jun 19, 2017 -> 09:28 PM) Yup. If the Rays are out, they'll want Colome the most. Then they can build from there (Kahnle, etc.). They can't afford two guys like Colome and Kahnle. They'll have to choose 1, UNLESS, IMHO, they wanted to do something like Robertson and Kahnle, which might allow them to get two high leverage guys, potentially with some cash coming their way even. Otherwise, I think they'd be best served by going with something like Neshek and Madson, which might allow them to escape without giving up Robles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 19, 2017 -> 11:33 PM) They can't afford two guys like Colome and Kahnle. They'll have to choose 1, UNLESS, IMHO, they wanted to do something like Robertson and Kahnle, which might allow them to get two high leverage guys, potentially with some cash coming their way even. Otherwise, I think they'd be best served by going with something like Neshek and Madson, which might allow them to escape without giving up Robles. A Robertson + Kahnle + Cash package is not going to come cheap for the Nats. I'd expect that price to be steep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 05:36 PM) Having watched Robertson for 2 1/2 years...still not even 100% convinced how certain I would be about him in the playoffs. Definitely not in any tie game. With Miller, you know you're in trouble no matter what the game situation. Would depend on a perfectly balanced workload being possible for him. I think the Nats would trust him 100% more than anyone that steps out of the clown car that they drive out to the mound every save opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 07:14 AM) A Robertson + Kahnle + Cash package is not going to come cheap for the Nats. I'd expect that price to be steep. No it won't, but I guess my point was I think it might still be cheaper what they might give up if they try to get two high-leverage guys like that, with some control even, from two separate teams. And while I wouldn't typically suggest we do that, in the case of the Nats, if it was the path to Robles, I'd do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 09:22 AM) No it won't, but I guess my point was I think it might still be cheaper what they might give up if they try to get two high-leverage guys like that, with some control even, from two separate teams. And while I wouldn't typically suggest we do that, in the case of the Nats, if it was the path to Robles, I'd do it. I would absolutely start my ask with Robles and go from there. Robertson is not worth Robles on his own, but Kahnle adds a ton of value with how well he has pitched this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 08:20 AM) I think the Nats would trust him 100% more than anyone that steps out of the clown car that they drive out to the mound every save opportunity. The Nationals' version of our Ronald Bellisario days............I still have a twitch even typing that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 09:29 AM) I would absolutely start my ask with Robles and go from there. Robertson is not worth Robles on his own, but Kahnle adds a ton of value with how well he has pitched this season. Depends on if the Nats think he will keep it up over the remainder of his years of control. Edited June 20, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (daggins @ Jun 19, 2017 -> 10:45 PM) Guys who could be on the market competing with Robertson: Roberto Osuna Justin Wilson Colome (highly skeptical of the Rays as sellers tho) Britton? He hasn't been healthy but he's very good Doolittle Neshek Nicasio Jim Johnson Probably a lot I missed. Robertson is far from the Nats only option. It just happens to be a good fit. Osuna is young and controllable and not going anywhere. Doolittle can't stay healthy and Britton has hardly pitched at all this season. None of the rest have near the track record of Robertson. If a team is wanting a backend option, you call on Osuna, Colome, and Robertson. The rest either have injury riddled backgrounds or are journeyman relievers experiencing a year of above average production, not something you want to rest your playoff hopes on them being able to maintain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 There is 1 good team in the AL, I have a hard time believing all of those teams will be sellers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 09:53 AM) There is 1 good team in the AL, I have a hard time believing all of those teams will be sellers. Agreed. The standings are very close, with many teams being within 5 games of a playoff spot right now. Once teams get their draft picks signed the focus will shift to what needs to be added in the next few weeks to aid a playoff push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 09:37 AM) Osuna is young and controllable and not going anywhere. Doolittle can't stay healthy and Britton has hardly pitched at all this season. None of the rest have near the track record of Robertson. If a team is wanting a backend option, you call on Osuna, Colome, and Robertson. The rest either have injury riddled backgrounds or are journeyman relievers experiencing a year of above average production, not something you want to rest your playoff hopes on them being able to maintain. Britton is out for the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 10:15 AM) Britton is out for the year. Unless there is a new update, no he is not. In fact, he's expected to come back by the All Star break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Kahnle is worth 2 top 100 prospects in the 50-100 range and a interesting piece. He is right up there with Jansen and Knebell in k/9 and has 3 years of control, he is beyond a "sweetener" if he gets moved at the deadline expect a slightly lesser package than Giles. If he gets moved in the off season and takes over for the departed Robertson his value is only going to go up from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 11:23 AM) Kahnle is worth 2 top 100 prospects in the 50-100 range and a interesting piece. He is right up there with Jansen and Knebell in k/9 and has 3 years of control, he is beyond a "sweetener" if he gets moved at the deadline expect a slightly lesser package than Giles. If he gets moved in the off season and takes over for the departed Robertson his value is only going to go up from there. In our view? Yes, he's worth 2 back 50 top 100 prospects. I highly doubt the rest of the league views him that highly due to the short track record though? I absolutely would try hard to sell high on him at the deadline if we can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 11:23 AM) Kahnle is worth 2 top 100 prospects in the 50-100 range and a interesting piece. He is right up there with Jansen and Knebell in k/9 and has 3 years of control, he is beyond a "sweetener" if he gets moved at the deadline expect a slightly lesser package than Giles. If he gets moved in the off season and takes over for the departed Robertson his value is only going to go up from there. There is a notable difference in the third column there, teams will pay a premium for guys with a track record of closing out ball games. There is not a big track record of non-closers pulling in the returns that you mention. Andrew Miller would be the exception, but he is really in his own class of type of reliever at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 11:23 AM) Kahnle is worth 2 top 100 prospects in the 50-100 range and a interesting piece. He is right up there with Jansen and Knebell in k/9 and has 3 years of control, he is beyond a "sweetener" if he gets moved at the deadline expect a slightly lesser package than Giles. If he gets moved in the off season and takes over for the departed Robertson his value is only going to go up from there. I'm so intrigued to see whether Hahn shops him or keeps him. Such a good case either way. Merkin recently mentioned him among the guys that will get discussed a lot at the deadline. I'm with you on the value though. He makes so much sense for the Nationals, especially with the control. Have to think they'll be guy shy about emptying the farm, but they'll most certainly address the bullpen somehow. And the sox can fill 1-2 holes at any level of the bullpen in any number of ways (Closer, Set-Up, lefty, middle relief). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Kahlne has no track record to speak of, I highly doubt we get a top 100 guy for him. If so it will be 80-100 range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 11:27 AM) In our view? Yes, he's worth 2 back 50 top 100 prospects. I highly doubt the rest of the league views him that highly due to the short track record though? I absolutely would try hard to sell high on him at the deadline if we can If thats the case then he won't be moved till the winter meetings or deadline next year as he takes over for Robertson and builds his value up even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 11:35 AM) Kahlne has no track record to speak of, I highly doubt we get a top 100 guy for him. If so it will be 80-100 range There would be no reason to move Kahnle for less than at least one top 100 prospect + another interesting piece right now. He's cheap and has been lights out this season with peripherals to back him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 11:35 AM) Kahlne has no track record to speak of, I highly doubt we get a top 100 guy for him. If so it will be 80-100 range His record is pretty consistent over 4 years or so (2014-17). I'm not sure of two things, tho: Why did Rockies let him go, and why did Sox send him down last year? Cannot remember. Don't forget, he has always been on s***ty teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 11:57 AM) His record is pretty consistent over 4 years or so (2014-17). I'm not sure of two things, tho: Why did Rockies let him go, and why did Sox send him down last year? Cannot remember. Don't forget, he has always been on s***ty teams. He was a high draft pick (4th round) that always had serious potential and high K rates in the minors. Had a pretty good rookie year even at Coors, then ran into some control issues. Sox gave up Yancy Almonte (a pretty good prospect) for him, and Coop made some mechanical changes (follow-through and head jerk specifically) that Kahnle has attributed to the control improvement he had end of last year and into this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 04:38 PM) If thats the case then he won't be moved till the winter meetings or deadline next year as he takes over for Robertson and builds his value up even more. I'm sure nearly everyone will be shopped but I would put a high price on him. I think you value him like he is for real and teams won't want to pay that price. If he takes Robertson's place and is for real, next trade deadline you could get a haul greater than Robertson as he will be under control thru 2020 and cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 20, 2017 -> 10:35 AM) Kahlne has no track record to speak of, I highly doubt we get a top 100 guy for him. If so it will be 80-100 range We're watching his track record now--It's a pretty good one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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