May 21st Game Thread: White Sox @Seattle Mariners

[InTheDriversSeat]

 

Today will be the first start of the season for Seattle pitcher Chris Heston. He previously made 1 relief appearance in April, and spent time this season in the minors. I hope for another Sox blowout like last night.

 

 

Starting pitchers: Derek Holland (3-3, 2.70) vs. Chris Heston (0-0, 22.50)

Stadium: Safeco Field

Game start time: 3:10 PM Central Daylight Time (1:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, local time at Seattle)

 

 

Broadcast Information

Announcers: Ken Harrelson and Tom Paciorek (filling in for Steve Stone) (television), Ed Farmer and Darrin Jackson (radio)

Broadcast times:

Television - Pregame 2:30 PM, Game telecast 3:00 PM Central, Re-airs 12:30 AM and 2:00 PM Central (May 22nd on CSN)

Radio - 2:35 PM Central

 

 

Television:

CSN Comcast SportsNet Chicago

 

 

Radio:

Chicago AM 890 WLS / FM HD 94.7 WLS-FM-HD2 (using HD capable radios)

And the 'WLS White Sox Radio Network' http://mlb.mlb.com/cws/schedule/radio_affiliates.jsp

 

 

Also, Sox fans will not want to miss 2 new half hour documentaries airing Monday night on CSN:

 

7:00 PM Central - White Sox CornerStones: Charlotte

7:30 PM Central - White Sox CornerStones: Birmingham & Winston-Salem

 

Re-airs (on CSN):

Friday, May 26th, 3:00 PM (just 1 episode)

Saturday, May 27th, 4:30 PM & 5:00 PM

 

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[flavum]

I'll take a Holland quality start in a 4-3 loss. Yesterday was fun, but back to the tank, please.

[chitownsportsfan]

I'll take a Holland quality start in a 4-3 loss. Yesterday was fun, but back to the tank, please.

 

on paper, with all their injuries, the Sox lineup and SP today will be >>> than the Mariners. I hate to say it, but with Avi, Sanchez, the other Garcias and Jose hitting like this, this Sox team isn't bad, they are mediocre to average. I don't see more than 80 wins but this also looks far from a 100 loss club.

[flavum]

on paper, with all their injuries, the Sox lineup and SP today will be >>> than the Mariners. I hate to say it, but with Avi, Sanchez, the other Garcias and Jose hitting like this, this Sox team isn't bad, they are mediocre to average. I don't see more than 80 wins but this also looks far from a 100 loss club.

 

My hope is they play every 54 games at 23-31, which means 4-9 the next 13.

 

Bottom line, they need to have the worst AL record with a losing interleague record. If they do that, they would max out on their draft position.

[greg775]

My hope is they play every 54 games at 23-31, which means 4-9 the next 13.

 

Bottom line, they need to have the worst AL record with a losing interleague record. If they do that, they would max out on their draft position.

What do you think of the picks of Fulmer and Rodon and Beckham? Isn't this the same regime? You loss lovers slay me. To be a fan and want your team to lose is so bizarre. What do non statniks in your life think of this silliness?

[flavum]

What do you think of the picks of Fulmer and Rodon and Beckham? Isn't this the same regime? You loss lovers slay me. To be a fan and want your team to lose is so bizarre. What do non statniks in your life think of this silliness?

 

The Sox are in rebuild mode. Picks aren't guarantees, but sometimes the difference in the 6th pick and 7th pick is huge.

 

Enjoy the games any way you want. I'm enjoying both- when Avi has a big game or Davidson hits a homer, great. When they lose, good...that's what this year is about.

[Kalapse]

What do you think of the picks of Fulmer and Rodon and Beckham? Isn't this the same regime? You loss lovers slay me. To be a fan and want your team to lose is so bizarre. What do non statniks in your life think of this silliness?

What are your thoughts on the 7th instead of 8th pick in the '15 draft?

[hi8is]

What are your thoughts on the 7th instead of 8th pick in the '15 draft?

 

Case in point... exactly.

[caulfield12]

But to Greg's point, if they just drafted Trout instead of Mitchell (just hit #14), no rebuild would have been necessary.

 

Or signed Miguel Sano the same year the A's paid almost twice as much to Michael Ynoa.

Edited May 21, 2017 by caulfield12

[greg775]

What are your thoughts on the 7th instead of 8th pick in the '15 draft?

I really have no interest in the draft. They got benintendi; we got Fulmer. So slot would have bailed the Sox out for making a horrible pick? I guess. I just don't have to care. It's still a huge nonsequitir for a fan to root for his/her team to lose over something as mystic as the draft. Anything can happen in the draft. Rooting for losses for draft slot is a non sequitir. I ask again what do all your relatives and friends think when you actively root for your team to suck? Very bizarre behavior to most of the world. You want your team to blow chunks for six months to position itself for that one day in June when you allegedly hit the jackpot and get a Fulmer, Rodon or Beckham.

 

I'm not ignoring your point. Great, two more losses would have gotten the Sox Benintendi. Great I guess. I don't believe in fate like that. I'm just saying a non loss lover would look at that situation this way ... the No. 8 pick still could have brought a star. The Sox took Fulmer which now looks like a miss.

 

You guys can root for losses all you want. It's just shocking and upsetting to me for some reason still. The reward of rooting for my team to lose and loving it when they lose to me is not worth the risk of a one-day pick in which the team has a very good chance of f***ing up anyway. Just get me a good player whether its 7, 8 or 18 please. It's your ... job, White sox!

Edited May 21, 2017 by greg775

[greg775]

But to Greg's point, if they just drafted Trout, no rebuild would have been necessary.

 

Or signed Miguel Sano the same year the A's paid almost twice as much to Michael Ynoa.

What do you guys say to that?? There are two sides to every issue.

[caulfield12]

They also might have picked Kolek or Aiken over Rodon at 1-1. We'll never know for sure.

[South Side Fireworks Man]

My hope is they play every 54 games at 23-31, which means 4-9 the next 13.

 

Bottom line, they need to have the worst AL record with a losing interleague record. If they do that, they would max out on their draft position.

I'd rather they wind up with the 25th pick and draft the next Mike Trout.

[fathom]

I'd rather they get first pick and get most international spending money

[greg775]

I'd rather they wind up with the 25th pick and draft the next Mike Trout.

Isn't Trout the ultimate counter argument against tanking? The loss lovers have no comeback. Give me wins during the six glorious months known as baseball season then give me a good first round draft pick. Working fans have the right to demand as much is demanded of them in the workplace.

[Bob Sacamano]

The Sox are in rebuild mode. Picks aren't guarantees, but sometimes the difference in the 6th pick and 7th pick is huge.

 

Enjoy the games any way you want. I'm enjoying both- when Avi has a big game or Davidson hits a homer, great. When they lose, good...that's what this year is about.

 

 

This time a million.

[ron883]

Isn't Trout the ultimate counter argument against tanking? The loss lovers have no comeback. Give me wins during the six glorious months known as baseball season then give me a good first round draft pick. Working fans have the right to demand as much is demanded of them in the workplace.

The Sox probably don't get Robert without shedding the Sale and Eaton money IMO. The rebuild is why we got Robert. Take that Greg!

[greg775]

This time a million.

It's easy to say enjoy the game any way I want. And you'll enjoy the game any way you want.

At the same time ... the loss lovers feel the need to post time and again how much they want a loss or how they want and expect the team to go 10-30 in their next 40, etc, oft times in the middle of a big win or after a big win.

It could be stated their posts are affecting the enjoyment of the game for me. So I in turn post something that affects the enjoyment of the game for them. In other words, if they'd tone down the rooting for losses I'd tone down the rooting for wins. You know, it goes both ways.

When you have the non popular position as I do much of the time, my posts stand out to those of you who take the popular position when in reality 80 percent of the time I'm just responding to somebody's post.

Yes, enjoy the games any way you want, but when somebody posts something and I mention, "What about Trout?" and nobody has a good response, it makes you wonder. ...

GO SOX!

[South Side Fireworks Man]

Losing begets losing. I'd rather see the Sox improve their scouting and talent evaluation so they can draft wiser instead of earlier. It would also enable them to make better FA signings. They also need to improve the organization at developing talent in the minors.

 

In my opinion, any MLB organization that tanks intentionally just to get a higher draft position (I'm not saying the Sox are doing this) deserves to wind up with a high draft slot for decades on end. Losing is for losers.

[BlackSox13]

Wait. Was Fulmer really referred to as a horrible pick?

[greg775]

This is a Greg argument in a nutshell. Upset at people wanting to the team to lose for a draft pick and crying that you just can't understand that line of thinking, then following it up by saying "Well I really have no interest in the draft."

 

Well then of course you aren't going to understand the concept of artificial suppression of your team, you are CHOOSING not to understand. If you actually cared about the draft, how a rebuilding team has to operate and the long term decisions that go into it, you may understand the concept of losing games in the 2017 season, but you CHOOSE not to. Don't go on rants on other posters because you've made the decision to be purposefully obtuse on the topic.

 

Oh, and go get Rick Hahn on the phone and ask him what draft pick he wants after the 2017 and 2018 seasons. He wants losses, too.

I'm not choosing not to understand. In my mind (and I assure you other fans), sure the No. 7 pick was great and the No. 8 pick sucked eggs. But rather than deduce, by gosh I wish we lost 5 more games to get the 7 pick, my brain suggests there are TONS of great players available at 8 and the regime FAILED by taking a Fulmer in that slot. I do have no interest in the draft. As a fan yes I have interest when a Sox draftee ultimately makes the bigs and succeeds. Does not following his progression make me a bad fan? Maybe, but I don't think so. The team that takes the field in Chicago is the one that matters to me. How they get there can be compelling for some, but not me. Give me victories and I'll attend the parade. I'm truly sorry if my position angers/annoys many but the active rooting for losses angers/offends me as well. My bad.

Edited May 21, 2017 by greg775

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm not choosing not to understand. In my mind (and I assure you other fans), sure the No. 7 pick was great and the No. 8 pick sucked eggs. But rather than deduce, by gosh I wish we lost 5 more games to get the 7 pick, my brain suggests there are TONS of great players available at 8 and the regime FAILED by taking a Fulmer in that slot. I do have no interest in the draft. As a fan yes I have interest when a Sox draftee ultimately makes the bigs and succeeds. Does not following his progression make me a bad fan? Maybe, but I don't think so. The team that takes the field in Chicago is the one that matters to me. How they get there can be compelling for some, but not me. Give me victories and I'll attend the parade. I'm truly sorry if my position angers/annoys many but the active rooting for losses angers/offends me as well. My bad.

 

We better not see any posts from you in any draft threads this year or next since you are so uninterested in drafts.

Edited May 21, 2017 by soxfan2014

[greg775]

Losing begets losing. I'd rather see the Sox improve their scouting and talent evaluation so they can draft wiser instead of earlier. It would also enable them to make better FA signings. They also need to improve the organization at developing talent in the minors.

 

In my opinion, any MLB organization that tanks intentionally just to get a higher draft position (I'm not saying the Sox are doing this) deserves to wind up with a high draft slot for decades on end. Losing is for losers.

AMEN AMEN. Worded so much better than I'm capable of! I agree with Fireworks man.

[greg775]

We better not see any posts from you in any draft threads this year or next since you are so uninterested in drafts.

I don't think you'll have to think twice about that. Check past draft threads. There's a slight possibility I've asked if the player is good or something but I doubt I've even asked that. Sure I can get hopeful about a draft or a Robert, but generally the draft does not concern me enough to talk about it/write a post about it. It's like fathom in the offseason. He goes about his business and never posts about things that don't concern him.

Edited May 21, 2017 by greg775

[South Side Fireworks Man]

I remember a few years ago everybody was drooling over a kid named Pedro Alvarez, who I believe wound up being drafted second overall that year. How many would have liked to "Tank for Alvarez?"