flavum Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 First 9 starts: 2016/2017 Record, ERA 9-0, 1.58/ 4-2, 2.19 (Red Sox 6-3) Innings Pitched 68.1/65.2 Hits 39/39 ER 12/16 HR 5/4 BB 10/13 Strikeouts 62/95 Batters Faced 253/246 For all the K lovers, mission accomplished I suppose. ---------------------------------------------------- His next 9 starts leading up to the All-Star Game: 5-3, 5.56 ERA (White Sox 5-4) 56.2 Innings 65 hits 35 ER 16 BB 61 K 12 HR 245 BF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 It's kind of funny to see the national love he's getting now that he's a Red Sox. It's not as if he hasn't dominated before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ May 21, 2017 -> 11:37 AM) It's kind of funny to see the national love he's getting now that he's a Red Sox. It's not as if he hasn't dominated before. Chicks love the strikeouts. And sabes devotees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Pretty remarkable that he's been the best pitcher in the AL for years and still continues to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 So far the number of Ks haven't affected him being able to pitch deep in to games. That'll be something interesting keep note of as the season goes on. The number of Ks could just be that the AL East isn't used to seeing him as much so he's just getting more swings and misses. Not taking anything away from the guy though. He's finally getting recognized as one of the very best. Something he's been for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Sale is the best pitcher on the planet right now and it isn't close. He currently leads all pitcher in fWAR by 1.6. FIP currently sits below 2. He's leading the majors in K% and ranks 7th in BB% despite pitching in the tougher league. I said this earlier in the thread but his ability to continually improve despite already being so great amazes me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jun 15, 2017 -> 08:54 PM) Sale is the best pitcher on the planet right now and it isn't close. He currently leads all pitcher in fWAR by 1.6. FIP currently sits below 2. He's leading the majors in K% and ranks 7th in BB% despite pitching in the tougher league. I said this earlier in the thread but his ability to continually improve despite already being so great amazes me. In SIERA Sale has a 2.55 and Scherzer has a 2.71. They are the only 2 under three. the only weakness he seems to have is his LOB%. It's only 69%, whereas Scherzer is 81%. Sale is below the league average even. He kind of falls apart when runners are on base or he isn't pitching out of the stretch well this year. I haven't watched him pitch to know which it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Sale now at 10-3 after beating the Twins. Looking at those 3 Loses he pitched against Detroit for 7.2 IP giving up 2 ER, against NYY for 8.0 IP and 3 R (2 ER), and Philadelphia for 8.0 IP w/ just 1 ER. He should be undefeated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) This 2017 version of Chris Sale is for real. Looking at fangraphs: - Manged increased his swinging strike% by an incredible 5% this year, his 16.2% swstr now leads MLB, and is by far his career best. - FB velo increased by 1.5 MPH, 2nd high FB velo since becoming a starter - Mixing up his pitches, throwing 29.2% slider, by far the highest since 2013. - BABIP is consistent with his career norm - Benefited from move away from the cell. HR/9 is lowest since 2014, when he posted a 2.17 ERA All in all, it seems like Sale is going all out and maximizing his talent, the only concern is if his skinny frame will hold up till playoff time. Edited June 27, 2017 by 2005thxfrthmmrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jun 27, 2017 -> 10:50 AM) This 2017 version of Chris Sale is for real. Looking at fangraphs: - Manged increased his swinging strike% by an incredible 5% this year, his 16.2% swstr now leads MLB, and is by far his career best. - FB velo increased by 1.5 MPH, 2nd high FB velo since becoming a starter - Mixing up his pitches, throwing 29.2% slider, by far the highest since 2013. - BABIP is consistent with his career norm - Benefited from move away from the cell. HR/9 is lowest since 2014, when he posted a 2.17 ERA All in all, it seems like Sale is going all out and maximizing his talent, the only concern is if his skinny frame will hold up till playoff time. This is all great, and I don't mean to take anything away from what he's doing, but haven't we seen this before? He pitches otherworldly for the first 5 months, then falls apart in September. That's going to be the real test for him, especially since he'll probably be pitching in October for the first time in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jun 27, 2017 -> 11:41 AM) This is all great, and I don't mean to take anything away from what he's doing, but haven't we seen this before? He pitches otherworldly for the first 5 months, then falls apart in September. That's going to be the real test for him, especially since he'll probably be pitching in October for the first time in his career. What were his numbers like right at the end of his strikeout run in 2015? That was perhaps the most dominant I'd seen him, but then he hit a wall in July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jun 27, 2017 -> 10:50 AM) This 2017 version of Chris Sale is for real. Looking at fangraphs: - Manged increased his swinging strike% by an incredible 5% this year, his 16.2% swstr now leads MLB, and is by far his career best. - FB velo increased by 1.5 MPH, 2nd high FB velo since becoming a starter - Mixing up his pitches, throwing 29.2% slider, by far the highest since 2013. - BABIP is consistent with his career norm - Benefited from move away from the cell. HR/9 is lowest since 2014, when he posted a 2.17 ERA All in all, it seems like Sale is going all out and maximizing his talent, the only concern is if his skinny frame will hold up till playoff time. That and his arm in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jun 27, 2017 -> 11:41 AM) This is all great, and I don't mean to take anything away from what he's doing, but haven't we seen this before? He pitches otherworldly for the first 5 months, then falls apart in September. That's going to be the real test for him, especially since he'll probably be pitching in October for the first time in his career. I'm sure someone can spend time and do a more detailed year to date analysis, but on the surface it looks like his velocity, slider % and swinging strike % all seen dramatic increases. Even if he regresses in the second half, those number would still be better than in years past by year end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 1, 2017 Author Share Posted July 1, 2017 A little better June/July heading into the break this year. Just a little. 2nd AS start in a row coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Pretty cool gif of the best pitcher in baseball https://twitter.com/OldComiskey/status/881236747820171265 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jul 1, 2017 -> 07:43 PM) Pretty cool gif of the best pitcher in baseball https://twitter.com/OldComiskey/status/881236747820171265 Crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jul 1, 2017 -> 09:43 PM) Pretty cool gif of the best pitcher in baseball https://twitter.com/OldComiskey/status/881236747820171265 That's not Max Scherzer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 02:18 PM) That's not Max Scherzer He didn't say this year (unless he meant to, then your right). But if he didn't mean to, Kershaw must've died and I didn't get the memo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 03:49 AM) He didn't say this year (unless he meant to, then your right). But if he didn't mean to, Kershaw must've died and I didn't get the memo. There is a reasonable argument to be made for any one of Kershaw/Sale/Scherzer. If Kershaw's "struggles" this year with HR's and his slider are correctable rather than some type of marginal decline, then he's still the best pitcher in baseball. But this season I do think it has been Sale, and generally speaking I think Sale is better than Scherzer. Both pitchers are incredible, but they have essentially the same numbers (Scherzer lower ERA, Sale better peripherals) despite the fact Sale is pitching in a significantly tougher league and division. Let him face the Marlins, Phillies, & Braves in 1/3 of his starts and that would have a significant effect on his numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 7, 2017 Author Share Posted July 7, 2017 Just saw Sale bang the side of his head with a ball. But hey, double digit Ks and that's all that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Ho hum, Indians kicked his ass again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 1, 2017 -> 06:41 PM) Ho hum, Indians kicked his ass again Yep, the ALC still hits him well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 1, 2017 -> 06:41 PM) Ho hum, Indians kicked his ass again Rinse and repeat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Starting his late season fade again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 24, 2017 -> 07:14 PM) Starting his late season fade again? I'll wait to see his non- Indians starts before I judge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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