Walking Out of Graduations Like Notre Dame's

[greg775]

Any Notre Dame grads? I wondered what you thought of 100 students getting up and leaving the graduation ceremony to both boos and cheers when Pence was introduced as speaker.

Do you think it's proper to cause a disruption on such a big day for many? My guess is the over-riding memory of graduation for those folks who graduated today (I applaud you all, Golden Domers! ND is a difficult school; Happy Graduation to You!) will be the protest rather than the happy occasion.

Yes it is our right that we embrace to be allowed to protest. But is it proper? Those who protested could have simply not attended their own graduation and let the others have their day.

 

I don't have too much of a stance except to say I think protesting outside of the stadium would have been better. Or protesting right after the Pence invitation to speak was announced to try to get it stopped. I'm not crazy about the protestors stealing the show and ruining the day for others proudly wearing the cap and gown.

[Kyyle23]

The protesters were the people graduating, greg. You can't wait outside and protest when you are part of the graduation

 

It is always "don't protest here and now, do it somewhere else some other time"

[greg775]

This is not a negative statement. I'd like someone to educate me here.

 

The Notre Dame students who walked out went to a university with 85 percent Catholic students. Their main beef with Pence from what I read at least was his gay and lesbian stance. In fact this was written in an article:

 

"The vice president has received harsh criticism from LGBTQ activists, who view him as an opponent of their agenda. Pence is seen by some as a proponent of so-called gay conversion therapy, a highly controversial process of attempting to alter a person's sexual preference, sometimes through physical abuse, that has been banned in multiple states."

 

My question is ... why are they accepting a degree from Notre Dame? I love my Catholic religion but though the religion believes in respecting all people (most churches make a point of saying we welcome all people), I do believe homosexuality is still against the rules so to speak in Catholicism. My point is ... isn't Notre Dame the institution and what it represents actually as bad or worse than Pence?? Why would they go to a ceremony with any of the Notre Dame higher ups to begin with??

 

Again, educate me please if I'm wrong. But my point is their school should in their eyes be as bad or worse than Pence. What in the hell are they doing going to Notre Dame in the first place if they are against what Notre Dame preaches??

Edited May 22, 2017 by greg775

[Reddy]

This is not a negative statement. I'd like someone to educate me here.

 

The Notre Dame students who walked out went to a university with 85 percent Catholic students. Their main beef with Pence from what I read at least was his gay and lesbian stance. In fact this was written in an article:

 

"The vice president has received harsh criticism from LGBTQ activists, who view him as an opponent of their agenda. Pence is seen by some as a proponent of so-called gay conversion therapy, a highly controversial process of attempting to alter a person's sexual preference, sometimes through physical abuse, that has been banned in multiple states."

 

My question is ... why are they accepting a degree from Notre Dame? I love my Catholic religion but though the religion believes in respecting all people, I do believe homosexuality is still against the rules so to speak in Catholicism. My point is ... isn't Notre Dame the institution and what it represents actually as bad or worse than Pence?? Why would they go to a ceremony with any of the Notre Dame higher ups to begin with??

 

Again, educate me please if I'm wrong. But my point is their school should in their eyes be as bad or worse than Pence. What in the hell are they doing going to Notre Dame in the first place if they are against what Notre Dame preaches??

 

greg... I went to a Jesuit University. I'm as atheist as they come. Almost no one chooses their school based on religion these days.

[greg775]

greg... I went to a Jesuit University. I'm as atheist as they come. Almost no one chooses their school based on religion these days.

Cool Reddy, thanx.

I was just wondering if they are the type to protest their beliefs at a graduation ceremony, I'd 'think' they wouldn't want anything to do with Notre Dame to begin with. Cause ND is Catholic and the rules state homosexuality is a sin I believe. That's as bad or worse than what Pence is preaching.

What you say makes sense but it seems like it's weird to walk out of the ceremony when each and every day they might consider walking off campus cause of what the campus leaders believe.

Edited May 22, 2017 by greg775

[Quin]

Well, Pence was down for literal torture of gay teenagers

[BlackSox13]

What does ND graduation day have to do with Pence? He shouldn't have been there in the first place. Graduation day is about the students, not some Washington asshat and his religious/political views. Good on those students for walking out.

[LittleHurt05]

Cool Reddy, thanx.

I was just wondering if they are the type to protest their beliefs at a graduation ceremony, I'd 'think' they wouldn't want anything to do with Notre Dame to begin with. Cause ND is Catholic and the rules state homosexuality is a sin I believe. That's as bad or worse than what Pence is preaching.

What you say makes sense but it seems like it's weird to walk out of the ceremony when each and every day they might consider walking off campus cause of what the campus leaders believe.

 

Catholics can't be gay?

 

[Reddy]

Cool Reddy, thanx.

I was just wondering if they are the type to protest their beliefs at a graduation ceremony, I'd 'think' they wouldn't want anything to do with Notre Dame to begin with. Cause ND is Catholic and the rules state homosexuality is a sin I believe. That's as bad or worse than what Pence is preaching.

What you say makes sense but it seems like it's weird to walk out of the ceremony when each and every day they might consider walking off campus cause of what the campus leaders believe.

Uh... have you been paying attention to the Pope at all over the last couple years? And no, Notre Dame as a university does not espouse views like that.

[Reddy]

Catholics can't be gay?

See: Mike Pence

[greg775]

Well, Pence was down for literal torture of gay teenagers

Seriously? He wanted torture of human beings? WTF. If true can't imagine him being in the White House as 2nd in command.

 

What does ND graduation day have to do with Pence? He shouldn't have been there in the first place. Graduation day is about the students, not some Washington asshat and his religious/political views. Good on those students for walking out.

I know. But some schools like to invite speakers. Will Farrell was great at USC. Trump went to Liberty U.

 

Catholics can't be gay?

I don't think Catholics can be gay going by the rulebook. I know our church welcomes all people. But I think the official stance in Rome is it is a sin. If I'm mistaken my bad.

So my point was how the hell can they go to a school that preaches this? They are hypocrites to only complain one day of the year it seems to me.

 

https://www.catholic.com/tract/homosexuality

[Reddy]

Seriously? He wanted torture of human beings? WTF. If true can't imagine him being in the White House as 2nd in command.

 

 

I know. But some schools like to invite speakers. Will Farrell was great at USC. Trump went to Liberty U.

 

 

I don't think Catholics can be gay going by the rulebook. I know our church welcomes all people. But I think the official stance in Rome is it is a sin. If I'm mistaken my bad.

So my point was how the hell can they go to a school that preaches this? They are hypocrites to only complain one day of the year it seems to me.

 

https://www.catholic.com/tract/homosexuality

 

Yes. Pence supports gay conversion therapy, which is torture.

[greg775]

Uh... have you been paying attention to the Pope at all over the last couple years? And no, Notre Dame as a university does not espouse views like that.

So you are telling me it's not a sin? I think it is a sin in the rulebook. The Pope is welcoming to everybody. The Catholics welcome all people. but if push comes to shove I think he says it's a sin because taking part in a homosexual act I believe is a sin.

 

https://www.catholic.com/tract/homosexuality

[Reddy]

So my point was how the hell can they go to a school that preaches this? They are hypocrites to only complain one day of the year it seems to me.

 

https://www.catholic.com/tract/homosexuality

 

They'd only be hypocrites if they chose the school on religious grounds, which the vast majority - I'm sure - did not do, especially those who walked out. This is so easy greg. I know you can understand this.

[Kyyle23]

Greg, threads like this is why I always call you out for having your head in the sand. You literally have zero idea why people don't like Pence and are asking everyone if the kids have a right to not like him. This s*** is maddening

[greg775]

Yes. Pence supports gay conversion therapy, which is torture.

Damn. I'm pretty sure Catholics support gay conversion therapy as well and Notre Dame is a catholic institution.

[Reddy]

Greg, threads like this is why I always call you out for having your head in the sand. You literally have zero idea why people don't like Pence and are asking everyone if the kids have a right to not like him. This s*** is maddening

 

This.

[Reddy]

Damn. I'm pretty sure Catholics support gay conversion therapy as well and Notre Dame is a catholic institution.

Jesus.

 

Loyola is a Jesuit institution, which is a branch of Catholicism, and it absolutely did not support gay conversion therapy. No school that isn't f***ing Messiah University in Missouri would say they did.

 

Good lord man this is ridiculous.

Edited May 22, 2017 by Reddy

[juddling]

As far as what little I have seen about this, i will give the protesting students some credit and say that they didn't seem to disrupt to proceedings other than just getting up and leaving.

 

I can say I bet there were a few pissed off parents there. i mean....I have no idea what a year (or 4) costs at ND but if i busted my hump to get my kid through there....he/she damn will better sit through graduation. His speech was what??? 15 or 20 minutes??? You'll live.......

[greg775]

They'd only be hypocrites if they chose the school on religious grounds, which the vast majority - I'm sure - did not do, especially those who walked out. This is so easy greg. I know you can understand this.

OK I see your point. It still seems strange they'd go to a school run by Catholic priests and monsignors. You are saying they don't think about that at all. Well then why the hell are they thinking about the guest speaker?

 

Greg, threads like this is why I always call you out for having your head in the sand. You literally have zero idea why people don't like Pence and are asking everyone if the kids have a right to not like him. This s*** is maddening

No I understand why they hate Pence.

My point is they are going to a school where they should hate all the leaders. Cause they share Pence's opinion on the matter.

[Reddy]

OK I see your point. It still seems strange they'd go to a school run by Catholic priests and monsignors. You are saying they don't think about that at all. Well then why the hell are they thinking about the guest speaker?

 

 

No I understand why they hate Pence.

My point is they are going to a school where they should hate all the leaders. Cause they share Pence's opinion on the matter.

I WENT TO A CATHOLIC SCHOOL! I'M AN ATHEIST. THIS IS NORMAL.

[greg775]

Jesus.

 

Loyola is a Jesuit institution, which is a branch of Catholicism, and it absolutely did not support gay conversion therapy. No school that isn't f***ing Messiah University in Missouri would say they did.

 

Good lord man this is ridiculous.

Cool. I don't even really know what gay conversion therapy is. Do you deny however that it is still a sin in the catholic rulebook? Do Catholics not run Notre Dame?

https://www.catholic.com/tract/homosexuality

 

 

Edited May 22, 2017 by greg775

[Reddy]

My point is they are going to a school where they should hate all the leaders. Cause they share Pence's opinion on the matter.

 

Can you support that the administration of Notre Dame University supports gay conversion therapy? With evidence? Thanks.

[LittleHurt05]

Damn. I'm pretty sure Catholics support gay conversion therapy as well and Notre Dame is a catholic institution.

 

And you are a proud Catholic, right?

[greg775]

Can you support that the administration of Notre Dame University supports gay conversion therapy? With evidence? Thanks.

No. especially since I didn't even know what it was til a minute ago. I didn't know that's all the students were miffed about regarding Pence. That it was that cut and dried. My bad if they were protesting his stance on gay conversion therapy.

I guess I'm wrong on my Notre Dame stance. I just thought it weird you'd go to ND if you fully supported gay rights.

Edited May 22, 2017 by greg775