caulfield12 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 You can cancel Avi's contract extension for now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 After today sox will have opened with 29 road games and 16 home games. That is by far the biggest delta in MLB. If it wasn't a rebuilding year I'd be pretty pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Percentage points separating 8-11 in draft order. Moving up. First pitch to Anderson wasn't a strike, set up that entire at-bat and led to Timmy barking at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ May 24, 2017 -> 05:19 PM) Aside from a few nice days, that is sort of the way it should be based on weather in Chicago in April and most of May. Perhaps, but no other team, northern or not, has had such a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) Leury Garcia, have yourself another good game. Sox continue to battle back on most occasions this season. Didn't really expect a double or homer there from Smith despite the two hits. Hoover struck out the side, and Frazier last inning. Edited May 24, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ May 24, 2017 -> 05:03 PM) Damn. I don't think it moves the needle much, but it's another data point. At this point might make sense to hang onto him unless you get bowled over with an offer. I was following on Game Day and specifically looking at exit velocities. There were several hard hit balls but also several hits in the 75-85 mph exit velocity range. He didn't pitch well but he didn't pitch 8 ER, .583 BABIP bad. I know I'm fighting a losing battle with this but I don't think his trade value is remarkably different from what it was a few hours ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ May 24, 2017 -> 04:27 PM) I was following on Game Day and specifically looking at exit velocities. There were several hard hit balls but also several hits in the 75-85 mph exit velocity range. He didn't pitch well but he didn't pitch 8 ER, .583 BABIP bad. I know I'm fighting a losing battle with this but I don't think his trade value is remarkably different from what it was a few hours ago. He's had enough bad starts this year that the people who talk him down as a #3 or #4 starter have a lot more ammo. It might not be much different from a few hours ago, but its certainly much different than it was this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 When's the last time a pitcher with a 4.9 era was acquired for a huge prospect package in the middle of the season? Not easy to use "sabes" to sell a move like that to your fanbase. Joking, but not 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 QUOTE (daggins @ May 24, 2017 -> 05:29 PM) He's had enough bad starts this year that the people who talk him down as a #3 or #4 starter have a lot more ammo. It might not be much different from a few hours ago, but its certainly much different than it was this offseason. No argument there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 At least the bullpen is still good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 24, 2017 -> 10:31 PM) When's the last time a pitcher with a 4.9 era was acquired for a huge prospect package in the middle of the season? Not easy to use "sabes" to sell a move like that to your fanbase. Joking, but not 100% Agreed, good luck unloading the farm for a big ERA like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Really bad series for Yolmer and Avi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Omar should be allowed to use an aluminum bat. His lack of power is astonishing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Q had thrown five good games in a row. Today was not one of them. The Sox to me are looking tired. They've come back to make a game of it a lot of times but never enough to get over the hump. I just think all these road games are catching up to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ May 24, 2017 -> 05:53 PM) Q had thrown five good games in a row. Today was not one of them. The Sox to me are looking tired. They've come back to make a game of it a lot of times but never enough to get over the hump. I just think all these road games are catching up to them. Yeah, I hate seeing lines like today's, but Quintana was pretty damn good for five straight starts before this one. Just got to hope he can return to form for most of June & Jule and get his numbers closer to recent levels. Edited May 24, 2017 by Chicago White Sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) Good test for Sale tonight against the Rangers... Front page of ESPN as he goes for 9 consecutive with at least ten k's to set record. Edited May 24, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 3-7 road trip. Perfect. 3-6 the next nine will get them close to the bottom of the league at the 1/3 mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Sale three k's through 2. Just 20 pitches, 2.13 era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 People need to put things in perspective. This is a bad team. Despite numerous players playing way better than expected and highly unlikely to maintain that level, they are 1 game better than the worst record in the AL. They will be horrible. Q will be fine. Had a bad couple of innings today. His ERA won't be 4.90 at the deadline. Randy Johnson had a 4.33 at the deadline and got traded for 3 decent prospects including Freddy Garcia. He had a 1.28 ERA the rest of the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ May 24, 2017 -> 04:19 PM) What? You mean this game? When he gets runners on base he is monumentally slow... It's pretty horrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 QUOTE (harkness @ May 25, 2017 -> 12:31 AM) When he gets runners on base he is monumentally slow... It's pretty horrid. Ok and that is the observations of Hawk and Stone also. Stone is puzzled by how slow and deliberate Q becomes from the stretch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 24, 2017 -> 05:31 PM) People need to put things in perspective. This is a bad team. Despite numerous players playing way better than expected and highly unlikely to maintain that level, they are 1 game better than the worst record in the AL. They will be horrible. Q will be fine. Had a bad couple of innings today. His ERA won't be 4.90 at the deadline. Randy Johnson had a 4.33 at the deadline and got traded for 3 decent prospects including Freddy Garcia. He had a 1.28 ERA the rest of the way. You're talking about a HoF pitcher, perhaps the most dominant strikeout guy of his generation. It's a good point about a 4+ ERA, but you ask 100 casual fans to name the best 10 starting pitchers in baseball and Q's name might come up once or twice (SABES owners or White Sox fans). If you asked that question at the time of the Big Unit trade, he would have been on 100/100 fan lists. And even then, you're talking about a full 1/2 point of ERA. Below 4.5, the perception is you're closer to 4 and being in a decent band range. 4.82, you're closer to 5. Once again, perception is more important than reality in statistics. Edited May 25, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 24, 2017 -> 06:31 PM) People need to put things in perspective. This is a bad team. Despite numerous players playing way better than expected and highly unlikely to maintain that level, they are 1 game better than the worst record in the AL. They will be horrible. Q will be fine. Had a bad couple of innings today. His ERA won't be 4.90 at the deadline. Randy Johnson had a 4.33 at the deadline and got traded for 3 decent prospects including Freddy Garcia. He had a 1.28 ERA the rest of the way. Might be better to trade him in the offseason anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 24, 2017 -> 09:02 PM) You're talking about a HoF pitcher, perhaps the most dominant strikeout guy of his generation. It's a good point about a 4+ ERA, but you ask 100 casual fans to name the best 10 starting pitchers in baseball and Q's name might come up once or twice (SABES owners or White Sox fans). If you asked that question at the time of the Big Unit trade, he would have been on 100/100 fan lists. And even then, you're talking about a full 1/2 point of ERA. Below 4.5, the perception is you're closer to 4 and being in a decent band range. 4.82, you're closer to 5. Once again, perception is more important than reality in statistics. It is also 3 months vs. 3 years. And fans don't make the trades. Q was lousy for 2 innings yesterday. If he hadn't beeen his ERA would be a run or more lower. What was Samardzija's ERA in 2015 when he got $90 million? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 25, 2017 -> 04:28 AM) It is also 3 months vs. 3 years. And fans don't make the trades. Q was lousy for 2 innings yesterday. If he hadn't beeen his ERA would be a run or more lower. What was Samardzija's ERA in 2015 when he got $90 million? Well, nobody accused the White Sox or Giants' front offices of always being right. It's actually amazing how much more respect Bochy has gotten compared to Sabean for that string of title runs. I wonder if Han could have gotten the same return for a Q deal as he surrendered to rent Chapman for a couple months. White Sox fans would take that deal in a heartbeat right now. Edited May 25, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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