I AM WHITE/AMERICAN PRIVILEGE

[greg775]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/01/us/lebron-ja...hate/index.html

America's Week of Hate

 

 

As Smithsonian.com noted, in recent weeks someone hung nooses at the Port of Oakland in California, inside a University of Maryland fraternity house and outside a Crofton, Maryland middle school. That's in addition to the nooses and bananas found on American University's campus recently after students elected the first-ever black woman to head the student government.

 

...

 

The 33-year-old LeBron James, who is no stranger to speaking out on racial strife, further found himself lamenting the state of race relations in the country.

 

"No matter how much money you have, no matter how famous you are, no matter how many people admire you, being black in America is tough," he said.

It's tragic that so many people are prejudiced. I don't get it. It's just sad. I can't think of one person on this board who even exhibits the slightest of racist tendencies. At least we can congratulate ourselves on being color blind. I'm glad I turned out to be somebody who does not see color. I've had best friends of all colors, worker friends of all colors. I don't want a medal, I'm just stating that I can't understand why somebody hates somebody else because of their skin color. Prejudice and racism is beyond bad but if it's not gone by now I guess it never will go away. Who would hate on LeBron James for gosh sakes? He's done a lot of good for people with his money. He's a good person. yet there are wackos who want him dead because of his skin color. Sick.

[greg775]

Believe it or not, Mother Teresa had more than her fair share of critics...perhaps even more than Donald Trump if you count the entire world.

Even some of the people who earlier in the day marched with the white privilege people got accosted in the library. I mean it should go both ways. The white privilege monsters don't even know who they are approaching in some cases. Take the time to get a clue and don't accost your own supporters. Don't accost anybody. Leave me alone, please.

[illinilaw08]

Even some of the people who earlier in the day marched with the white privilege people got accosted in the library. I mean it should go both ways. The white privilege monsters don't even know who they are approaching in some cases. Take the time to get a clue and don't accost your own supporters. Don't accost anybody. Leave me alone, please.

 

Greg, that news story is like two years old. Do you really think there are roving gangs of "white privilege monsters" accosting white people all over the country?

 

But... you also posted today that we need to be worried about ISIS beheadings within the US of A. So... I'll just echo that you have an odd worldview.

[knightni]

1. What type of support? Just give them money? Give them preference for jobs over others?

2. Will this really help them or just make you feel better?

3. True but what are you going to do about it.

4. Do you do this over other more qualified people?

5. See 2.

Everyone deserves equal opportunity. I'm not speaking in a socialistic way; I mean in an "All men and created equal" sense.

There are intelligent people out there that deserve an opportunity to succeed in this world.

 

1. Use your ability and connections to offer opportunity to someone that wouldn't normally have that opportunity. I'm not saying give preference; I'm saying that if someone has the want to learn and deserves a chance, then they should get the chance to use that want to succeed no matter his or her background.

 

2. There is a fine line between help and enabling someone. If they get help, but choose to not capitalize on the help, I supposed it's up to them whether they succeed or not. Feeling good is nice, but it's done because it's the right thing to do.

 

3. I was asked what should be done and I'm telling him. This is not just about me - it's about all of us. In any situation, I suppose the simplest way to be a part of the solution is to affect change right where you live.

 

4. Again, I'm not talking about people that have opportunity. I'm talking about offering new options to people that were never given the chance to even be in a place where they could become qualified. The aim is to not steal jobs from people. The aim is to create more qualified people for those jobs. Give everyone the chance to be eligible.

 

5. Using what you have for others should not be a selfish act. In fact, I don't see how someone could get anything monetary out of this at all. If you always expect a return every time that you give, how is that healthy or positive?

 

 

 

[caulfield12]

A bar that wants to maintain a “classy atmosphere” has released a dress code, which some are calling racist.

 

The Bottled Blonde, a pizzeria and beer garden in Chicago, recently posted a sign on its doors outlining a lengthy dress code. Here are a few examples from the list of banned items:

 

“No Excessively Baggie, Sagging, Ripped, Dirty, Frayed, Overly Flashy, or Bright clothing. No Hawaiian, tie dye, floral, skull prints, or anything else obnoxious. No gang attire (leather cuts, colors, or insignias) and no camouflage. No Embellishments or Statement [attire]. No plain white tees, long tees, denim, flannel … or zippers on shirts. … Tank tops before 6 PM only. … No Jordans, Nike Air Max, or Air Force Ones. … Hats must be worn forward at all times.”

 

https://www.yahoo.com/style/bar-fire-racist...-214551970.html

Edited June 1, 2017 by caulfield12

[ptatc]

A bar that wants to maintain a “classy atmosphere” has released a dress code, which some are calling racist.

 

The Bottled Blonde, a pizzeria and beer garden in Chicago, recently posted a sign on its doors outlining a lengthy dress code. Here are a few examples from the list of banned items:

 

“No Excessively Baggie, Sagging, Ripped, Dirty, Frayed, Overly Flashy, or Bright clothing. No Hawaiian, tie dye, floral, skull prints, or anything else obnoxious. No gang attire (leather cuts, colors, or insignias) and no camouflage. No Embellishments or Statement [attire]. No plain white tees, long tees, denim, flannel … or zippers on shirts. … Tank tops before 6 PM only. … No Jordans, Nike Air Max, or Air Force Ones. … Hats must be worn forward at all times.”

 

https://www.yahoo.com/style/bar-fire-racist...-214551970.html

If it's racist, it's racists against all races. You have the gang attire as well as the flannel and camouflage. You have the Hawaiian vs. skulls. You have denim vs. white tees. Even zippers on shirts. Sound like they want only the well to do CBOT and business crowd.

Edited June 1, 2017 by ptatc

[ptatc]

Everyone deserves equal opportunity. I'm not speaking in a socialistic way; I mean in an "All men and created equal" sense.

There are intelligent people out there that deserve an opportunity to succeed in this world.

 

1. Use your ability and connections to offer opportunity to someone that wouldn't normally have that opportunity. I'm not saying give preference; I'm saying that if someone has the want to learn and deserves a chance, then they should get the chance to use that want to succeed no matter his or her background.

 

2. There is a fine line between help and enabling someone. If they get help, but choose to not capitalize on the help, I supposed it's up to them whether they succeed or not. Feeling good is nice, but it's done because it's the right thing to do.

 

3. I was asked what should be done and I'm telling him. This is not just about me - it's about all of us. In any situation, I suppose the simplest way to be a part of the solution is to affect change right where you live.

 

4. Again, I'm not talking about people that have opportunity. I'm talking about offering new options to people that were never given the chance to even be in a place where they could become qualified. The aim is to not steal jobs from people. The aim is to create more qualified people for those jobs. Give everyone the chance to be eligible.

 

5. Using what you have for others should not be a selfish act. In fact, I don't see how someone could get anything monetary out of this at all. If you always expect a return every time that you give, how is that healthy or positive?

I agree with the overall idea but the practice is difficult.

 

1. How do you give someone an opportunity who normally wouldn't have it without preference?

3. Again how do you affect the change without the "quota" or "preferential" system?

4. i agree but in most cases the person who didn't have the opportunity, didn't have the grades, support or experiences needed for that opportunity. Therefore, the resume will have deficiencies compared to other. So now do you give them some type of preference to get that opportunity?

This is always the underlying problem. Do they deserve an opportunity, absolutely. Unfortunately, they don't have the resume due to many socioeconomic reasons. So, its back to the cycle. They don't have the resume so to get a chance someone needs to give them preference over someone else, which is inherently unfair to them.

Edited June 1, 2017 by ptatc

[greg775]

Greg, that news story is like two years old. Do you really think there are roving gangs of "white privilege monsters" accosting white people all over the country?

 

But... you also posted today that we need to be worried about ISIS beheadings within the US of A. So... I'll just echo that you have an odd worldview.

What is the white privilege thing then? A concept? The basis is to get whites to check their privilege or demand they state they are privileged. They are not setting up booths in restaurants and bars where you come up and check your privilege so what's the point of it then?

[illinilaw08]

What is the white privilege thing then? A concept? The basis is to get whites to check their privilege or demand they state they are privileged. They are not setting up booths in restaurants and bars where you come up and check your privilege so what's the point of it then?

 

Ideally it would be a basis for policy. How do we level the playing field so the privileges that are afforded to white males are afforded to everyone?

[Reddy]

You support those that don't have the same opportunities that you do - or are treated unfairly because they didn't win the "life lottery."

 

You learn everything that you can about other ethnicities, cultures, and classes in America -read articles, talk to people, get to know them and where they come from.

 

Don't pass it off as someone else's problem and don't jump to conclusions and pass judgement on others that don't live the same life as you do.

 

Everything that we are is a product of our environment and opportunities.

 

Go out of your way to use your connections and abilities to help raise someone else up that wouldn't normally have the same opportunity that you do.

 

Put yourself in someone else's shoes and act upon that experience in a positive way.

 

omgosh yes where have you been in this fight?

[ptatc]

Ideally it would be a basis for policy. How do we level the playing field so the privileges that are afforded to white males are afforded to everyone?

That is the 100 billion dollar question. I don't think anyone here really disputes the concepts. The issue is how to implement it. So far, many people smarter than me have failed to come up with a way.

Edited June 1, 2017 by ptatc

[illinilaw08]

That is the 100 billion dollar question. I don't think anyone here really disputes the concepts. The issue is how to implement it. So far, many people smarter than me have failed to come up with a way.

 

I don't really know that the bolded is true. Granted, it has been hard to keep up with this thread, but there seem to be a lot of people who think that racism - institutional or otherwise - no longer exist and the field is level. Or policy that attempts to level the playing field is, in fact, discriminatory against white males. Or that the factors that create institutional poverty in rural white communities mean that white privilege does not exist.

 

That's why to me, the most important step in this debate is to acknowledge that white privilege is a thing that exists. Only once that has been established can you ever get to the policy question of how you level the playing field...

[caulfield12]

http://nypost.com/2017/05/31/college-melts...-day-on-campus/

 

Greg will get 2-3 years out of posting material out of this story.

 

 

After protesters at a Washington state college called for a day without white people, a biology professor says he no longer feels safe on campus — and student activists complain they’re being vilified by conservative media.

 

Evergreen State College students said racial tensions have been simmering in recent weeks, but reached a boiling point when a faculty member disagreed with their plans to protest what they say is institutional racism at the Olympia campus, according to The Olympian.

 

Students were particularly incensed by an email that surfaced on Twitter on May 25 between Professor Bret Weinstein and Rashida Love, director of First Peoples Multicultural Advising Services. Weinstein, who is white, allegedly condemned the “Day of Absence” event that asked white people to leave campus for the day.

Edited June 1, 2017 by caulfield12

[ptatc]

I don't really know that the bolded is true. Granted, it has been hard to keep up with this thread, but there seem to be a lot of people who think that racism - institutional or otherwise - no longer exist and the field is level. Or policy that attempts to level the playing field is, in fact, discriminatory against white males. Or that the factors that create institutional poverty in rural white communities mean that white privilege does not exist.

 

That's why to me, the most important step in this debate is to acknowledge that white privilege is a thing that exists. Only once that has been established can you ever get to the policy question of how you level the playing field...

I was referring more to the fact that everyone agrees there are a group of people that are at a socioeconomic disadvantage. I kind of thought that's where the thread had gone to. I don't think anyone said the playing field is level.

 

No matter what way you look at it, no one has come up with a concrete idea on how to help the disadvantaged group without being unfair to the other.

[ptatc]

http://nypost.com/2017/05/31/college-melts...-day-on-campus/

 

Greg will get 2-3 years out of posting material out of this story.

 

 

After protesters at a Washington state college called for a day without white people, a biology professor says he no longer feels safe on campus — and student activists complain they’re being vilified by conservative media.

 

Evergreen State College students said racial tensions have been simmering in recent weeks, but reached a boiling point when a faculty member disagreed with their plans to protest what they say is institutional racism at the Olympia campus, according to The Olympian.

 

Students were particularly incensed by an email that surfaced on Twitter on May 25 between Professor Bret Weinstein and Rashida Love, director of First Peoples Multicultural Advising Services. Weinstein, who is white, allegedly condemned the “Day of Absence” event that asked white people to leave campus for the day.

Anytime there is a gathering to protest any group, it is going to create tension. Change the name to anything, call for a day without one eyed, one horn, flying purple eaters and you are going to create tension. Doesn't matter how right you think you are it's going to create issues.

[iamshack]

You support those that don't have the same opportunities that you do - or are treated unfairly because they didn't win the "life lottery."

 

You learn everything that you can about other ethnicities, cultures, and classes in America -read articles, talk to people, get to know them and where they come from.

 

Don't pass it off as someone else's problem and don't jump to conclusions and pass judgement on others that don't live the same life as you do.

 

Everything that we are is a product of our environment and opportunities.

 

Go out of your way to use your connections and abilities to help raise someone else up that wouldn't normally have the same opportunity that you do.

 

Put yourself in someone else's shoes and act upon that experience in a positive way.

With all due respect, Jeremy, this is called "being a good human being," and if that was all it took, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[caulfield12]

Now Iamshack will get called out for calling all Republicans "bad human beings/uncaring/cold/cruel/insensitive misers" like Potter in It's a Wonderful Life.

 

Because the corollary to that reasonable enough statement (from the point of view of most progressives) ends up with the above-mentioned characterization.

 

Sometimes in this thread, it has been termed "racism" or "reverse racism," the implication being that Republicans care just as much, if not, about the poor, but that they would rather (simplistically stated) teach the poor how to fish than simply give them fish on a daily basis, creating a sense of dependency on the government, and a crippling inability to attain self-reliance (which is unavailable to those not holding a job, basically).

Edited June 2, 2017 by caulfield12

[ptatc]

Now Iamshack will get called out for calling all Republicans "bad human beings/uncaring/cold/cruel/insensitive misers" like Potter in It's a Wonderful Life.

 

Because the corollary to that reasonable enough statement (from the point of view of most progressives) ends up with the above-mentioned characterization.

 

Sometimes in this thread, it has been termed "racism" or "reverse racism," the implication being that Republicans care just as much, if not, about the poor, but that they would rather (simplistically stated) teach the poor how to fish than simply give them fish on a daily basis, creating a sense of dependency on the government, and a crippling inability to attain self-reliance (which is unavailable to those not holding a job, basically).

I don't think he mentioned anything about politics. However, your views of a "Republican" are pretty evident here.

[caulfield12]

I don't think he mentioned anything about politics. However, your views of a "Republican" are pretty evident here.

 

LOL.

 

My dad was a Republican. He idolized Warren Buffett (before he became more political), Benjamin Graham and H. Ross Perot.

 

He voted GOP every election until 1992, and hated the Clintons.

 

I don't have any particular views, personally...I've read all of Ayn Rand's works and understand the philosophical reason for most Republicans to think the way they do, even if I don't particularly agree with it in practice.

 

There have been a number of Republicans with the most honorable of intentions...I've spotlighted Justin Amash of MI and Will Hurd of Texas (both GOP Congressmen) I particularly like. Working in the non-profit field, nearly all the rich people (billionaires to 100's of millionaires) in Kansas City tend to be Republican, and I've always respected their viewpoints, like Tom Bloch of H&R Block and Donald/Adele Hall of Hallmark Cards. Barnett and Shirley Bush Helzerg, of Helzberg Diamonds.

 

Once again, all good people with their heart in the right place and willing to back up their beliefs with their own money.

 

Now the Koches of Wichita or Steve Bannon, I'm not going to provide you any kind words for them, although I'm sure they also have the best of intentions, not unlike Grover Norquist and the majority of Republicans sitting in the front row at the Rose Garden today (Mnuchin, Ross, Pruitt, McMaster, Gary Cohn of Goldman Sachs, etc.)

 

 

But on economic issues, I do tend to be a lot closer to the Jared/Ivanka/Cohn/Dina Powell/Tillerson wing of the GOP that apparently has lost favor again due to Jared's carelessness and "privilege." They lost BIGLY today, and it's unsurprising none of them were at the press conference.

Edited June 2, 2017 by caulfield12

[ptatc]

LOL.

 

My dad was a Republican. He idolized Warren Buffett (before he became more political), Benjamin Graham and H. Ross Perot.

 

He voted GOP every election until 1992, and hated the Clintons.

 

I don't have any particular views, personally...I've read all of Ayn Rand's works and understand the philosophical reason for most Republicans to think the way they do, even if I don't particularly agree with it in practice.

 

There have been a number of Republicans with the most honorable of intentions...I've spotlighted Justin Amash of MI and Will Hurd of Texas (both GOP Congressmen) I particularly like. Working in the non-profit field, nearly all the rich people (billionaires to 100's of millionaires) in Kansas City tend to be Republican, and I've always respected their viewpoints, like Tom Bloch of H&R Block and Donald/Adele Hall of Hallmark Cards. Barnett and Shirley Bush Helzerg, of Helzberg Diamonds.

 

Once again, all good people with their heart in the right place and willing to back up their beliefs with their own money.

 

Now the Koches of Wichita or Steve Bannon, I'm not going to provide you any kind words for them, although I'm sure they also have the best of intentions, not unlike Grover Norquist and the majority of Republicans sitting in the front row at the Rose Garden today (Mnuchin, Ross, Pruitt, McMaster, Gary Cohn of Goldman Sachs, etc.)

 

 

But on economic issues, I do tend to be a lot closer to the Jared/Ivanka/Cohn/Dina Powell/Tillerson wing of the GOP that apparently has lost favor again due to Jared's carelessness and "privilege." They lost BIGLY today, and it's unsurprising none of them were at the press conference.

Really, you read Ayn Rand and now you understand why a specfic group of individuals think the way they do. I really hate to break this to you but not all Republicans are rich tyrants who idolize Warren Buffet and the all mighy dollar.

[Soxbadger]

Really, you read Ayn Rand and now you understand why a specfic group of individuals think the way they do. I really hate to break this to you but not all Republicans are rich tyrants who idolize Warren Buffet and the all mighy dollar.

 

Most Republicans aren't rich.

[Reddy]

What is your point caulfield? Shack's point wasn't partisan. He was saying the chicken soup for the soul political takes don't really move the needle without any action or reasonable solutions attached. I wish there was no poverty but simply saying so doesn't do anything. Everybody wants the world rid of bad things and if I'm reading shack's point correctly, it doesn't really do anything to just say you wish nice things for the world. Nevertheless, people form their entire political compass off projecting their own moral superiority with the basis of stating the obvious about world affairs. I'm speaking in general not at anyone specific. Obviously if everyone acted as great people the world wouldn't have these problems but that's not the case. I can only donate my own time and money.

 

It is funny that your father was a republican though. My father And I are very much at odds in our beliefs. Although he rarely speaks about politics. Perhaps you can provide us with some of your made up probabilities with respect to ancestral political beliefs.

and you can change the way you talk about these issues with your friends and family. that's probably more valuable than your money.

[Reddy]

Really, you read Ayn Rand and now you understand why a specfic group of individuals think the way they do. I really hate to break this to you but not all Republicans are rich tyrants who idolize Warren Buffet and the all mighy dollar.

 

That's true, but the ones who aren't continuously vote against their economic interest, which is pretty fascinating. See: Trump.

[ptatc]

That's true, but the ones who aren't continuously vote against their economic interest, which is pretty fascinating. See: Trump.

Again, you are sticking far too much too the generalization and stereotypes. Are all Republicans in the same tax bracket? Are all of their economic situations identical? I know you like to stick to one philosophy and one point of view but everyone's situations are different and voting Republican doesn't mean that it effects everyone in the exact same way.

[Reddy]

Again, you are sticking far too much too the generalization and stereotypes. Are all Republicans in the same tax bracket? Are all of their economic situations identical? I know you like to stick to one philosophy and one point of view but everyone's situations are different and voting Republican doesn't mean that it effects everyone in the exact same way.

 

Um. My post you quoted was me saying the very opposite of that.