witesoxfan Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I was the biggest backer of Frazier this past offseason, even so far as suggesting he be tendered a qualifying offer. However, I had completely eliminated Matt Davidson as a possible replacement, and while his egregious strikeout rate is terrible - his 37.7% strikeout rate is only 4th worst in the league, based on 130 plate appearances, just ahead of Joey Gallo and just behind Miguel Sano, Keon Broxton, and Chris Davis - his BABIP is actually somewhat sustainable at .343, though that will also fluctuate because that's based on balls put in play and, well, I really don't have to describe the rest. Still, Frazier is in the last year of his deal, so it's a sunk cost, and the Sox really should see what they have in Davidson full time as a 3B. At what point to you either deal him for anything you can get or flat out DFA him? I wanted to bring this up to eat my own crow and that a qualifying offer for Frazier is outrageous at this point, but also to see what people think. I do think they'll hang on to Frazier until late August at the latest to get him onto a contender. Before even that, I think a team will find his "versatility" - 1B/3B - useful, and will pull the trigger and trade a kid who is worth a s*** for him as he turns it around a bit. Frazier is sporting an uncharacteristic .190 BABIP, which should turn around, although maybe only to .230-.250, given his propensity to hit flyballs. You all think the Sox last that long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Luckily his glove still plays but he is a returning a c+ prospect at best. Would not be a bad idea to DFA him if he is this bad in three weeks and there is no trade interest, see if someone just will pickup the 4 million or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 12:25 AM) Luckily his glove still plays but he is a returning a c+ prospect at best. Would not be a bad idea to DFA him if he is this bad in three weeks and there is no trade interest, see if someone just will pickup the 4 million or so. I honestly feel we're going to get a similar return the red sox got from us when they moved Kevin Youkilis, and I could see us dealing him to the red sox. Frazier for Blake Swihart and Darwinzon Hernandez or Trey Ball it mirrors Brent Lillibridge and Zach Stewart for Youkilis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 02:59 AM) I honestly feel we're going to get a similar return the red sox got from us when they moved Kevin Youkilis, and I could see us dealing him to the red sox. Frazier for Blake Swihart and Darwinzon Hernandez or Trey Ball it mirrors Brent Lillibridge and Zach Stewart for Youkilis. Yeah probably something along those lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I think you just got to hope Frazier goes on an extended hot streak between now and July 31st. With Quintana, Abreu, & Jones unlikely to be moved this season, we're running out of quality trade chips. Frazier isn't going to land a haul no matter what, but maybe he could land one nice piece if he gets hot over the next two months. There will be teams looking for 3B help and Frazier's value does extend beyond the field and into the clubhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 07:05 AM) I think you just got to hope Frazier goes on an extended hot streak between now and July 31st. That's it. His OPS is .667; his batting average is .184. He's played 2 games at first base this season...give him some more work there could help some. Decent chance someone will take a flier in an August waiver deal, with the only risk a month or 2 of salary. I guess it could help the Sox recoup some of the money they will have to pay forward on Robertson in order to get good deal for him. Frazier makes $12 million; he will take a big pay cut next season...probably one of those 1 year deals to recoup value. Edited June 1, 2017 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 08:34 AM) That's it. His OPS is .667; his batting average is .184. That's August waiver deal at best. He makes $12 million; he will take a big pay cut next season...probably one of those 1 year deals to recoup value. The Red Sox won't care about the money. But their options are the return of Panda, promoting Devers or picking up a guy like Frazier. Hopefully Panda poops and they think Frazier's swing would fit in Fenway.I doubt they give up Swihart. More likely cash and a good A prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Also, it seems like he's been the victim of a short spring training due to the hand injury and some bad luck. Obviously he's going to sport a low BABIP no matter what but he should have a good 40 to 50 points of positive regression coming his way. And I think there is reason to be optimistic his HR numbers improve as well. On a positive note, his walk rate is up nearly 50% vs. PY and his defensive metrics have rebounded nicely. There's a potentially very useful player here for a contender, just need him to start demonstrating that ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 12:25 AM) Luckily his glove still plays but he is a returning a c+ prospect at best. Would not be a bad idea to DFA him if he is this bad in three weeks and there is no trade interest, see if someone just will pickup the 4 million or so. Agreed. no need to do anything right away, but if Frazier draws zero interest, DFA and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 12:59 AM) I honestly feel we're going to get a similar return the red sox got from us when they moved Kevin Youkilis, and I could see us dealing him to the red sox. Frazier for Blake Swihart and Darwinzon Hernandez or Trey Ball it mirrors Brent Lillibridge and Zach Stewart for Youkilis. It was good that Frazier hit a bomb off of Sale, and you know Sale will vouch for him as well. It is a virtual certainty in my mind that he ends up with Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I think he is getting closer. Hand was in a splint almost all winter, got hurt in spring training. Got hurt and sick earlier this season. I think he is coming around. He is going to strikeout but is walking more and is starting to hit with a little more authority recently. A few he has hit the last week or so probably go out of the park in a couple of weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) Hanley refusing to play 1B kinda forced the Red Sox to promote Travis and keep him on the bench as a platoon guy. I think he should be in the minors playing every day. Todd Frazier can definitely help spell Moreland against lefties while allowing for Travis to get everyday at bats in the minors. They would just have to roll with another right-handed hitting infielder to plug in at 3B on those days. Edited June 1, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredmanrique Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Putting quintana, abreu and jones in the wait until winter bucket. It starts to look like the only way to get the top 25-125 type guys we have been tracking is to bundle people to the best possible contender. A team seeking a 4/5th starter upgrade and multiple bullpen arms. So positive spin: that is most contending teams by july. Robertson, jennings, migo to WAS for something led by Soto? Swarzak, Frazier, Y. Sanchez to BOS for something led by Groome? Melky, kahnle, holland to STL for kelly? Gut the bullpen, eat money. Add the best prospects possible til q hopefully rebounds in the 2H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 I do like the idea of bundling some of those rental guys for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 09:00 AM) It was good that Frazier hit a bomb off of Sale, and you know Sale will vouch for him as well. It is a virtual certainty in my mind that he ends up with Boston. There keeps being a decent amount of smoke there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Frazier had some sort of health issue that weakened him earlier in the year.. He lost a ton of weight because of it and has not looked the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 09:00 AM) It was good that Frazier hit a bomb off of Sale, and you know Sale will vouch for him as well. It is a virtual certainty in my mind that he ends up with Boston. Is he better than Sandoval and/or Marrero? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 08:30 AM) Is he better than Sandoval and/or Marrero? That is the question the Red Sox have to answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 09:00 AM) It was good that Frazier hit a bomb off of Sale, and you know Sale will vouch for him as well. It is a virtual certainty in my mind that he ends up with Boston. Yeah, it just seems to make too much sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 09:00 AM) It was good that Frazier hit a bomb off of Sale, and you know Sale will vouch for him as well. It is a virtual certainty in my mind that he ends up with Boston. I agree, its such an obvious fit for low opportunity cost with some real upside. Boston is 18th in team slugging % at .413 & 29th in HR. Blake Swihart - .200/.243/.338 | BB - 4.3% K - 25.7% a lot of shine has come off his status looks to be a classic change of scenery guy. In our org he would have time to figure it out at the major league level before Collins is ready, hes 25 this year. Trey Ball 48.1 IP, 7.63 K/9, 3.54 BB/9, 5.77 ERA a former first rounder who hasn't put it together again another change of scenery type and he is out of boston's top 20 prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 10:20 AM) Frazier had some sort of health issue that weakened him earlier in the year.. He lost a ton of weight because of it and has not looked the same. He hurt his thumb, then he got the flu. He is fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 You keep playing him, IMO. At the deadline, you simply move him for the best offer you receive, even if it's disappointing. There is plenty of time after the deadline for Davidson to get everyday ABs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 01:46 PM) You keep playing him, IMO. At the deadline, you simply move him for the best offer you receive, even if it's disappointing. There is plenty of time after the deadline for Davidson to get everyday ABs. That's all you can do. Play at 1B once in a while to show how versatile he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 01:46 PM) You keep playing him, IMO. At the deadline, you simply move him for the best offer you receive, even if it's disappointing. There is plenty of time after the deadline for Davidson to get everyday ABs. Yes. He is not one they really need to hold on to. Unlike the Quintana situation, you take whatever you can get for Frazier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 01:53 PM) Yes. He is not one they really need to hold on to. Unlike the Quintana situation, you take whatever you can get for Frazier. This. The first offer of any consequence he needs to be gone. While I don't hold a lot of hope for Davidson as an everyday player, he has earned a shot at least for now. Take the first B prospect you can get, if not get a couple of C's and move on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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