Yet another attack in England...

[caulfield12]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/03/europe/londo...dent/index.html

This time on the historic and highly symbolic London Bridge

 

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40146916

A number of casualties, at least three suspects involved

 

 

Three total scenes, including Borough Market and Vauxhall....those were stabbings/knife attacks. Likely all coordinated because of the proximity of attacks. Van apparently let out attackers after plowing across bridge. Seems at least some of the assailants have escaped.

Edited June 3, 2017 by caulfield12

[greg775]

Awful. Horrible. I'm sickened.

[greg775]

Just read they were stabbing people in the neck and had machetes. I had just mentioned their penchant for wanting to chop off the heads of people. Be careful, folks. Isis animals.

[caulfield12]

We'll see if Trump sticks to "losers," probably not...

[StrangeSox]

Trump deliberately taking the mayor of London's comments out of context to insult him is just so pathetic and petty.

[EvilMonkey]

Trump deliberately taking the mayor of London's comments out of context to insult him is just so pathetic and petty.

At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London says there is "no reason to be alarmed! Not sure what context you are looking for. He was asked about Londoners who were afraid to go out, and he said police presence would be amped up for a few days and there was no reason to be alarmed. Funny how the muslim mayor refused to mention the motivations of the attackers at all. They only screamed the usual before knifing people, so we may never know. But all of this petty sniping aside, what are they going to do about it now? Will this turn out to be a case where they knew of the attacker beforehand and yet did nothing? Was he known or unknown to security services? I figure at least a week until we get something as the story will change every day for a while.

[Dick Allen]

Trump deliberately taking the mayor of London's comments out of context to insult him is just so pathetic and petty.

I also don't understand his gun angle, to me if these guys had guns and not knives, the death toll and injuries would have only been higher, but NRA, NRA.

[caulfield12]

I also don't understand his gun angle, to me if these guys had guns and not knives, the death toll and injuries would have only been higher, but NRA, NRA.

 

See Manila, Resorts World Intl. Although supposedly many of the victims died inside rooms from smoke inhalation....that was something like 37 who died due to the acts of one person.

 

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/04/politics/don...eets/index.html

 

It didn't happen. And Trump has never stopped. His quintet of tweets on London are not only something that no previous American president would ever have said, they're also are statements that it's hard to imagine any other leader in any other democracy around the world saying.

 

They are more the statements of a conservative talk radio show host than they are of what we have come to think of as a president -- bombastic, over the top and out of context. They are, by traditional standards, anti-presidential.

 

Which, come to think of it, is a good way to describe Trump. He is sort of an anti-president -- at least in terms of how we have always defined those terms. Trump's attitude and approach in office is closer to Jerry Springer than to Gerald Ford. He's more Limbaugh than Lincoln.

 

What we know: Trump isn't going to stop Trumping. The only question now is whether voters want an anti-president as their president.

 

 

London Mayor 'has more important things to do' than respond to Trump tweet

 

London Mayor Sadiq Khan has more important things to do than to respond to a critical tweet from US President Donald Trump, which a spokesman for Khan called “ill-informed.”

 

“The Mayor is busy working with the police, emergency services, and the government to coordinate the response to this horrific and cowardly terrorist attack and provide leadership and reassurance to Londoners and visitors to our city. He has more important things to do than respond to Donald Trump's ill-informed tweet that deliberately takes out of context his remarks urging Londoners not to be alarmed when they saw more police - including armed officers - on the streets," Khan’s spokesman said in a statement.. CNN.com

 

Apparently 21 still in critical condition and one missing (maybe the one who reportedly jumped off bridge into the Thames)...

Edited June 4, 2017 by caulfield12

[MexSoxFan#1]

I'm a lib at heart but Islamic terrorism is a problem.

[StrangeSox]

At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London says there is "no reason to be alarmed! Not sure what context you are looking for. He was asked about Londoners who were afraid to go out, and he said police presence would be amped up for a few days and there was no reason to be alarmed. Funny how the muslim mayor refused to mention the motivations of the attackers at all. They only screamed the usual before knifing people, so we may never know. But all of this petty sniping aside, what are they going to do about it now? Will this turn out to be a case where they knew of the attacker beforehand and yet did nothing? Was he known or unknown to security services? I figure at least a week until we get something as the story will change every day for a while.

 

Trying to keep the public calm and not giving the terrorists a platform seems like a better route than s***ting in an ally's government official in a dumb and belligerent manner before heading off to the golf course for the 23rd time.

 

 

[StrangeSox]

London, ‘reeling’? The city that weathered Nazi bombs pushes back against fear.

[greg775]

London, ‘reeling’? The city that weathered Nazi bombs pushes back against fear.

There should be concern if not fear. I get mocked on here for saying ISIS wants to behead us in real life situations. Sit at a restaurant and they come out with machetes hacking people to death. Sick bastards. We need to fight these assholes. Find out where they are and drop BOMBS on them. Lotsa bombs.

[caulfield12]

There's another larger point here about Twitter.

 

Reacting in real time to words on a screen, you can't get the full context and can overreact or provoke responses that are unnecessary from allies and foes alike.

 

In this situation, the mayor was trying to calm down the city and make citizens feel more comfortable with the increased police presence. Trump wanted to look at a "bigger picture" in the overall terror war and really went overboard parsing those quotes and politicizing the situation.

 

Hopefully one of his advisors will tell him (in the future) to wait at least 2-3 hours before terming Manila an ISIS terror attack or sparking a debate with the mayor of one of the most important cities in the world, who also happens to be Muslim (not coincidentally).

[caulfield12]

There should be concern if not fear. I get mocked on here for saying ISIS wants to behead us in real life situations. Sit at a restaurant and they come out with machetes hacking people to death. Sick bastards. We need to fight these assholes. Find out where they are and drop BOMBS on them. Lotsa bombs.

 

So...carpet bombing Syria, that has been suggested before by Republicans as recently as the last set of debates. What about Afghanistan, for example? Is this now ONLY about ISIS and we're going to ignore other groups like the Taliban or al-Queda?

 

What about all the women/children/civilians you kill (see Vietnam War/Cambodia/Laos) with this bombing???

 

What about the fact that MOST of the funding is coming from countries like Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, UAE/Abu Dhabi and Dubai...you're not going to cut off the head of the snake unless you stop the funding.

 

What about Russia or Turkey? Do you want to fight against both of them, too?

 

Where does it end? Let's not forget, Greg, that a week or so ago you were dreadfully worried about the possibility of an all-out war on the Korean Peninsula. You want to put boots on the ground in Syria and have a second war/front on the Pacific with South Korea?

 

We're fighting people who believe they will be rewarded in heaven with 40 virgins with sacrificing themselves with suicide bombs...that's a very difficult foe to stop, not unlike Kamikaze pilots in WW II. It's a totally different mentality than Western soldiers have. They're fighting a war on terrorism, the jihadists are fighting a "holy war" for the fate of the world/civilization.

 

Until America is directly threatened at home (like 9/11), all of these incidents in Europe and the Middle East won't be enough to move the needle and get everyone (at least temporarily) on the same page.

[StrangeSox]

There should be concern if not fear. I get mocked on here for saying ISIS wants to behead us in real life situations. Sit at a restaurant and they come out with machetes hacking people to death. Sick bastards. We need to fight these assholes. Find out where they are and drop BOMBS on them. Lotsa bombs.

 

I'm more likely to die on my way to work tomorrow in a car accident. I'm not going to live my life in fear, which is exactly what terrorists want.

[caulfield12]

Chance of being killed by refugee terrorist in United States is one in 3.6 billion

 

Donald Trump expected to issue order suspending immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries despite little evidence to support it.

 

 

 

Shouldn't we also be declaring war on junk food and heart attacks? Texting while driving or walking across a busy street?

 

 

[Chicago White Sox]

Chance of being killed by refugee terrorist in United States is one in 3.6 billion

 

Donald Trump expected to issue order suspending immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries despite little evidence to support it.

 

 

 

Shouldn't we also be declaring war on junk food and heart attacks? Texting while driving or walking across a busy street?

God I hate responses like this. We are literally dealing with organized evil and people like you make light of it because the odds of it ever impacting you directly is small.

[caulfield12]

God I hate responses like this. We are literally dealing with organized evil and people like you make light of it because the odds of it ever impacting you directly is small.

 

And EVERYONE on the left hates the politicization of this issue to expand defense budgets by MULTIPLE BILLIONS without anyone having a single coherent plan developed...

 

So it's better to make everyone (like GREG) feel that he's constantly in danger or the threat of being beheaded in America is REAL?

Are you sure?

 

It's obviously a more realistic possibility in Europe, based on events of the past 2-3 years. That said, the statistical probability is really not THAT high.

 

And this is the same argument we here from the NRA whenever there's a mass shooting like Newtown...even where 20-30 plus kids and teachers are killed, and it's that you are more likely to be killed in a car accident within 5 KM of your home or die from a heart attack/cancer, etc.

 

 

So let's hear exactly WHAT the country SHOULD plan to do in order to solve the problem, besides just "trusting" the Pentagon and McMaster/Mattis to come up with a solution...?

 

 

 

“If I run, and if I win, I don’t want the enemy to know what I’m doing (does ANYONE know?),” Trump said of the Islamic extremist terrorist group that has been steadily causing trouble in the Middle East. “Unfortunately, I’ll probably have to tell at some point, but there is a method of defeating them quickly and effectively and having total victory.”

 

“All I can tell you it is a foolproof way of winning, and I’m not talking about what some people would say, but it is a foolproof way of winning the war with ISIS,” he said. “And it will be absolutely, 100 percent –they’ll at minimum come to the table but actually they’ll be defeated very quickly.”

 

“I don’t want to be Obama, where he goes on television to explain exactly when we’re going to attack a certain city, what we’re going to do, what hour we’re going to be using for the attack, how many men are going in. I don’t want to do that,” he said.

 

 

THIS IS FROM MAY 28th, 2015....two years LATER, still no plan!!! What the hell?

Edited June 5, 2017 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

And how the ---- does alienating the leaders of England (to the point where there is a legitimate debate about withdrawing the Queen's/Prime Minister invitation for a formal state visit), Germany and France help accomplish our stated goal/s of defeating ISIS?

 

Can SOMEONE, ANYONE, explain that to me?

 

Unless there's a "secret plan" to get Russia, Turkey and Israel to work together with the US (and forget about the majority of our NATO allies), it just looks like a disaster waiting to happen.

 

Saudi Arabia's going to help us? Pakistan? United Arab Emirates? WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT?

 

(Not only haven't we dealt with ISIS, we still have Iran and North Korea to consider. Mattis just this week at his press conference was labeling North Korea a "clear and present danger" to the existing world order.)

Edited June 5, 2017 by caulfield12

[greg775]

Chance of being killed by refugee terrorist in United States is one in 3.6 billion

 

Donald Trump expected to issue order suspending immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries despite little evidence to support it.

 

 

 

Shouldn't we also be declaring war on junk food and heart attacks? Texting while driving or walking across a busy street?

Texting and driving must stop! People, you are going to die eventually doing this. It would be a tragically stupid and unnecessary way to go! Just stop it.

 

God I hate responses like this. We are literally dealing with organized evil and people like you make light of it because the odds of it ever impacting you directly is small.

True. There is a real danger of attacks at our big-crowd events in stadiums and at entrances to stadiums and I fear random stabbings/beheadings. We must stop these thugs and attack!

[LittleHurt05]

Just like the Manchester attacker, these guys had been under surveillance and reported to the authorities multiple times by fellow Muslims for extremism. Major fail by British intelligence.

[GoSox05]

At least 7 dead and 48 wounded in terror attack and Mayor of London says there is "no reason to be alarmed! Not sure what context you are looking for. He was asked about Londoners who were afraid to go out, and he said police presence would be amped up for a few days and there was no reason to be alarmed. Funny how the muslim mayor refused to mention the motivations of the attackers at all. They only screamed the usual before knifing people, so we may never know. But all of this petty sniping aside, what are they going to do about it now? Will this turn out to be a case where they knew of the attacker beforehand and yet did nothing? Was he known or unknown to security services? I figure at least a week until we get something as the story will change every day for a while.

 

I'm pretty sure the mayor of London has a better grasp on his city then a brain dead President across the ocean who spent the weekend playing golf.

 

 

Not sure what the mayor of London being Muslim has to do with it.

[StrangeSox]

I'm pretty sure the mayor of London has a better grasp on his city then a brain dead President across the ocean who spent the weekend playing golf.

 

 

Not sure what the mayor of London being Muslim has to do with it.

 

 

 

Just like the Manchester attacker, these guys had been under surveillance and reported to the authorities multiple times by fellow Muslims for extremism. Major fail by British intelligence.

 

They don't look particularly competent right now.

Edited June 5, 2017 by StrangeSox

[StrangeSox]

Doubling down on attacking the mayor of London

 

 

(this is from a bot that reposts his tweets as official Presidential statements, which is what they are)

[bmags]

Just like the Manchester attacker, these guys had been under surveillance and reported to the authorities multiple times by fellow Muslims for extremism. Major fail by British intelligence.

 

This is all hard though without more details.

 

Were they under surveillance because they were reported? They ultimately can't arrest them until they've done something illegal.