Painful and Difficult situation

[hi8is]

The guy molested a family member for two years who was 4 years old when it started and 6 years old when it ended. He "touched her on the inside and outside of where she pees." according to the victim at the time she was 6 years old.

 

He was 15 when it started and 17 when it ended.

 

I don't care if he's the next Randy Johnson... I wouldn't let him on my team for minimum wage.

 

Sex offenders like that are in a class unto themselves when it comes to crime. He can have his second chance in another walk of life but I sure as s*** hope his privlage to play baseball is over.

[soxfan49]

I'm pretty sure he was projected to go in the 3rd or 4th before this revelation, I think he's going to go way later in the draft if he gets drafted at all. I agree with other posters sentiments, people deserve second chances in life especially when they do something regrettable as a teenager. What he did was reprehensible but he should be allowed to show that he has reformed before being cast aside.

He was 43rd on BA's top available. I believe he was going to go in round 2. A drop of 1-2 rounds is significant IMO

[SoxAce]

He was 43rd on BA's top available. I believe he was going to go in round 2. A drop of 1-2 rounds is significant IMO

 

Yea hes already cost himself a potential 6 figures because of his past.

[bighurt4life]

Yeah, you don't touch this guy with a 10 foot pole. I agree about giving people second chances, but there is no excuse for molesting a 6 year child regardless of age. None whatsoever. Even if you get past your own moral high ground, drafting him is only going to add clubhouse drama going forward. No reason to put the rest of your prospects in an uncomfortable spot.

 

This

 

I worked mental health for 10 years. People who are pedophiles are damaged goods and they don't get better. Lots of talented players out there to add to your team who aren't profoundly sick people. He can go earn a living in a different walk of life. The world always needs ditch diggers.

Edited June 10, 2017 by bighurt4life

[iamshack]

See, if you guys want to make the argument that it isn't good to add the guy to your ballclub because he's a child molester, fine.

 

But that is quite different than arguing that he should not "have the privilege" of playing professional baseball.

 

 

[hi8is]

See, if you guys want to make the argument that it isn't good to add the guy to your ballclub because he's a child molester, fine.

 

But that is quite different than arguing that he should not "have the privilege" of playing professional baseball.

It's fine to have the opinion that a young man who violates a 4 year old girl has no place in professional baseball. It's also fine for you to have a different opinion.

 

This topic is very close to me and I freely admit that my opinion is extreme. I've seen the damage this type of crap has and am very biased against it.

[maggsmaggs]

This is a classic situation where there is no right answer. There are valid arguments on both sides.

[hi8is]

This is a classic situation where there is no right answer. There are valid arguments on both sides.

It'll be very interesting to see how it plays out... starting with where and if he's drafted at all.

[Dick Allen]

I'm really not trying to take up the flag for the molesters out there, but you cannot simply refuse them the right to make a living (unless of course, they want to do something that requires them to be in the presence of children or something).

So if you ran a company, you would have no problem hiring someone the world knew asa molestor?

 

There are many problems here. First, anyone who does this most likely still has a screw or two loose. It would most likely make his co-workers very uncomfortable playing with him, plus some have young kids, and would be scared to death of him. Third, the PR hit your team takes is huge.

 

He has a right to work, but playing professional baseball is a privilege. He doesn't qualify. He would be around kids, performing for kids. Would you want your kid getting his autograph? Every team has a right, and IMO a responsibility not to hire him. There are millions of people with the right to make a living that can't make one.

I wouldn't have any wife beaters my team, so you could imagine what I think about those that abuse 4-6 year olds.

Edited June 11, 2017 by Dick Allen

[Kyyle23]

So if you ran a company, you would have no problem hiring someone the world knew asa molestor?

 

There are many problems here. First, anyone who does this most likely still has a screw or two loose. It would most likely make his co-workers very uncomfortable playing with him, plus some have young kids, and would be scared to death of him. Third, the PR hit your team takes is huge.

 

He has a right to work, but playing professional baseball is a privilege. He doesn't qualify. He would be around kids, performing for kids. Would you want your kid getting his autograph? Every team has a right, and IMO a responsibility not to hire him. There are millions of people with the right to make a living that can't make one.

I wouldn't have any wife beaters my team, so you could imagine what I think about those that abuse 4-6 year olds.

 

I guess what I would ask here, are you saying he should be banned from the right to play in the MLB? I think that's the tricky thing here, plenty of people(including shack if I am not misreading) think he should be able to play in the MLB but at the same time think "my team better not draft him, he needs to be someone else's problem", whereas you seem to think no chance no way he should not be eligible to play on the MiLB or MLB.

 

Am I correct?

[Dick Allen]

I guess what I would ask here, are you saying he should be banned from the right to play in the MLB? I think that's the tricky thing here, plenty of people(including shack if I am not misreading) think he should be able to play in the MLB but at the same time think "my team better not draft him, he needs to be someone else's problem", whereas you seem to think no chance no way he should not be eligible to play on the MiLB or MLB.

 

Am I correct?

 

I personally think he has disqualified himself, but don't make decisions for others. I just can't see why a team would even consider it, but if they do, that's their choice. OJ didn't make a comeback when he was acquitted. The NFL wife beaters had a rel hard time getting a job, and this is beyond that. NFL teams take guys off their draft board for nothing compared to this.

 

To me this is something that won't fade away. You knock your wife around, unfortunately that fades away over time. This doesn't. Plus, I am one of those who thinks people who do this don't get rehabilitated.

 

I realize a lot of these players, if not the majority aren't exactly choirboys. There are a lot of issues with a lot of people, not just baseball players. Everyone makes mistakes. People deserve extra chances. I get all that and I agree with it, however, a line has to be drawn somewhere. Drugs, drinking problems, gambling...to me, those are second chance things. Wifebeating, to me, you're done. And child molesting, no way you would play for my team. It pissed me off when the Sox traded for Brett Myers. You could go back to the thread and see. I love the White Sox, but if they were the team that gave this guy his "second chance", I think I would find some other thing to occupy my time in the summer.

Edited June 12, 2017 by Dick Allen

[Kyyle23]

i dont begrudge that opinion. Like i laid out at the beginning of this post, this is an incredibly tough and risky situation for any team. He gets drafted and something happens, you wear that. No escaping it.

 

Its like the Cowboys drafting sketchy characters x 100000000

[bmags]

Yeah I thought more about this and I really hope he is not drafted. There is a special relationship between sports players and young fans and I don't think it's safe to put a possible pedophile in a position to take advantage of that.

[Dick Allen]

Yeah I thought more about this and I really hope he is not drafted. There is a special relationship between sports players and young fans and I don't think it's safe to put a possible pedophile in a position to take advantage of that.

Yes, it would be pretty hard to call it Family Sunday with this guy on the mound.

[Dominikk85]

I personally think he has disqualified himself, but don't make decisions for others. I just can't see why a team would even consider it, but if they do, that's their choice. OJ didn't make a comeback when he was acquitted. The NFL wife beaters had a rel hard time getting a job, and this is beyond that. NFL teams take guys off their draft board for nothing compared to this.

 

To me this is something that won't fade away. You knock your wife around, unfortunately that fades away over time. This doesn't. Plus, I am one of those who thinks people who do this don't get rehabilitated.

 

I realize a lot of these players, if not the majority aren't exactly choirboys. There are a lot of issues with a lot of people, not just baseball players. Everyone makes mistakes. People deserve extra chances. I get all that and I agree with it, however, a line has to be drawn somewhere. Drugs, drinking problems, gambling...to me, those are second chance things. Wifebeating, to me, you're done. And child molesting, no way you would play for my team. It pissed me off when the Sox traded for Brett Myers. You could go back to the thread and see. I love the White Sox, but if they were the team that gave this guy his "second chance", I think I would find some other thing to occupy my time in the summer.

 

But mlb wife beaters had a pretty easy time getting a job again

 

- chapman

-jose Reyes

-maybe addison Russell if this turns to be true

 

I would not draft him either but somewhere later in the draft some gm might take the chance to get value cheap. Those gms have enormous pressure to find guys who can play and it takes only one to bite. Friedman for example has a history of taking guys with a bad and sometimes criminal background if he he cheap enough (for example Matt bush).

 

But I definitely agree that it can be a big distraction and I would stay away if I could as a gm.

[Eminor3rd]

Wait, how do you get to "American people can't live their life after they've completed their punishment"?

 

That's an insane interpretation if some/all teams choose not to draft him. He's a free member of society and he can choose to do what he wants (within limitations), but that doesn't mean an employer has to choose to hire him! There's consequences for actions, among them that employers don't have to give you the benefit of the doubt and can choose to hire elsewhere

 

It doesn't appear you read the second paragraph in my post.

[caulfield12]

Wil Cordero also comes to mind with the Sox. Albert Belle was charged with domestic battery in 1998.

[iamshack]

So if you ran a company, you would have no problem hiring someone the world knew asa molestor?

 

There are many problems here. First, anyone who does this most likely still has a screw or two loose. It would most likely make his co-workers very uncomfortable playing with him, plus some have young kids, and would be scared to death of him. Third, the PR hit your team takes is huge.

 

He has a right to work, but playing professional baseball is a privilege. He doesn't qualify. He would be around kids, performing for kids. Would you want your kid getting his autograph? Every team has a right, and IMO a responsibility not to hire him. There are millions of people with the right to make a living that can't make one.

I wouldn't have any wife beaters my team, so you could imagine what I think about those that abuse 4-6 year olds.

Hah. Dick, how on earth do you reach your initial conclusion here?

 

As I said earlier, I am not trying to support child molestors in any capacity, other than to support the fact that we have a penal system that has adjudicated his offense, for which he has paid, and is still paying for. I am not making an argument that the White Sox should draft him, or that any team should draft him. The argument I am making is that SHOULD a team decide they would like to draft him, that they be allowed to draft him and that he be allowed to attempt to make a living playing baseball.

 

 

[Rowand44]

I'm not going to sit here and argue with anyone, all I'll say is I don't want this guy playing for my favorite team.

[Dick Allen]

Hah. Dick, how on earth do you reach your initial conclusion here?

 

As I said earlier, I am not trying to support child molestors in any capacity, other than to support the fact that we have a penal system that has adjudicated his offense, for which he has paid, and is still paying for. I am not making an argument that the White Sox should draft him, or that any team should draft him. The argument I am making is that SHOULD a team decide they would like to draft him, that they be allowed to draft him and that he be allowed to attempt to make a living playing baseball.

He has a right to work. Second chances....He took away his victim's right for a normal life. f*** him. Any team that still has him on their draft board or is willing to sign him as a free agent needs new leadership. Just like Marge Schott, the commissioner should make it a forced franchise selling event. It's a 4-6 year old girl. Who the f*** would want to play with him?

 

I actually think character is starting to count with professional sports teams, and no one will touch this guy.

 

The other thing that gets me is the rather light sentences these guys get. I used to work out at night at my old health club, and it was relatively empty. I became buddies with a guy who was always there, in fact we were going to go out for beers. Then one night, I get home, and was watching the local news. They had a thing about sex offenders and a website with maps. So I opened it up, and saw the map, the first one I clicked, the picture pops up and it's this guy from the health club. He was caught trying to meet a 14 year old boy for a get together. It was an undercover cop. He got probation. Now he's still out there. Disgusting.

Edited June 12, 2017 by Dick Allen

[Kyyle23]

http://deadspin.com/internal-memo-instruct...n-ho-1796022176

 

Oregon State sending out instructions on how to discuss this

 

Not a good look

[hi8is]

http://deadspin.com/internal-memo-instruct...n-ho-1796022176

 

Oregon State sending out instructions on how to discuss this

 

Not a good look

Just another example as to why I strongly dislike mainstream media.

[Quin]

Just another example as to why I strongly dislike mainstream media.

 

...? The Pac12 is the one calling for it

[hi8is]

...? The Pac12 is the one calling for it

My position is that media outlets should be able to excersize their rights to freedom of speech and shouldn't be directed in how they respond. Any situation where national attention gets turned to this subject should be fair game to bring the need for tighter regulation and limitation statutes reform for prosecution against these types of crimes.

 

I get that the media really isn't free anymore but believe it should be.

 

...Heimlich talk...

 

Poop on Heimlich.

[TheTruth05]

I'm usually not opposed to 2nd chances but this kid is a POS and I hope he never plays pro ball in his life.