SleepyWhiteSox Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 This front office is so terrible. They need to trade holiday for peanuts and lopez for anything decent since weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Well, looks like they may get an L with this one, but it was way too close for comfort. NO MORE DUMB WINS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Dunn played well, Lauri was decent and the Bulls lose. Can't ask for a better game and result than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 (edited) Most of the top 2018 prospects went nuts yesterday. This draft upcoming went from top heavy to DEEP all around real quick. I want Ayton so bad god f***ing damnit. And there's a pretty decent chance the Celtics could get him (or Bagley) in which case I'm done with hoops until I'm 40. Edited January 1, 2018 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Really odd part of today’s game was how the wizards kept getting the bulls to switch so that Lauri was on wall or Beal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Ok, everyone acting like the FO is terrible because the players took off and two of the Butler pieces are killing it is reaching. That or everyone here knew Dunn and Lauri would be playing like they are, Portis would play well and Niko would go MVP mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 QUOTE (Quin @ Dec 31, 2017 -> 08:23 PM) Ok, everyone acting like the FO is terrible because the players took off and two of the Butler pieces are killing it is reaching. That or everyone here knew Dunn and Lauri would be playing like they are, Portis would play well and Niko would go MVP mode. The front office will be terrible if they do nothing and allow their draft position to be compromised. I’m greatly concerned when I see posters I respect around here get excited about this hot streak and make comments like the “talent accumulation phase should be over”. If smart, intelligent basketball fans can ignore the real threat of NBA hell, then the casuals will be completely oblivious to this risk and the front office may simply cut corners and look to build a semi competitive team as quickly as possible. We’re in year one of a rebuild and our only goal should be acquiring (or developing) potential star caliber talent or assets. Winning meaningless games because potential sidekicks & bench pieces are playing well doesn’t move the needle in the right direction. We need to get the stars first (or at least one) and then worry about the complimentary pieces later. If our front office can trade guys like Niko, Lopez, etc. for long-term assets (preferably future picks) while at the same weakening our current team then maybe this all works out fine. Just not sure I trust GarPax to actually do that or at least do it proactively enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 The good news is we have assets to trade for a Star if it comes up for first time in forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 QUOTE (Quin @ Dec 31, 2017 -> 06:23 PM) Ok, everyone acting like the FO is terrible because the players took off and two of the Butler pieces are killing it is reaching. That or everyone here knew Dunn and Lauri would be playing like they are, Portis would play well and Niko would go MVP mode. Yes yes yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 31, 2017 -> 06:49 PM) The front office will be terrible if they do nothing and allow their draft position to be compromised. I’m greatly concerned when I see posters I respect around here get excited about this hot streak and make comments like the “talent accumulation phase should be over”. If smart, intelligent basketball fans can ignore the real threat of NBA hell, then the casuals will be completely oblivious to this risk and the front office may simply cut corners and look to build a semi competitive team as quickly as possible. We’re in year one of a rebuild and our only goal should be acquiring (or developing) potential star caliber talent or assets. Winning meaningless games because potential sidekicks & bench pieces are playing well doesn’t move the needle in the right direction. We need to get the stars first (or at least one) and then worry about the complimentary pieces later. If our front office can trade guys like Niko, Lopez, etc. for long-term assets (preferably future picks) while at the same weakening our current team then maybe this all works out fine. Just not sure I trust GarPax to actually do that or at least do it proactively enough. I agree with this largely. I would have moved Lopez but at this point I think dumping niko is a net loss. Yes we lose more but with niko this is a better team LONG TERM. Or at least he has given me reason to think that. Now if we had a solid offer, I would move him. I want one of the top guys badly but having lauri and Dunn emerge has been a great thing. I’d move Portis before niko. The thinner bench and no Lopez probably gives you a good shot at high pick without taking too many more steps back.best of all worlds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 31, 2017 -> 09:16 PM) The good news is we have assets to trade for a Star if it comes up for first time in forever. I actually don't think we have acquired enough assets. Teams aren't looking to trade stars for Portis, Valentine, Grant or Nwaba, or even Niko for that matter. We don't think even own anyone else's first rounder, while we have traded away our own second round picks for the next 3 years. We're actually are $7 million under salary floor and still has $15 mil TPE from the Butler trade we haven't used. We absolutely need to acquire more assets at this trade deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jan 1, 2018 -> 11:19 AM) I actually don't think we have acquired enough assets. Teams aren't looking to trade stars for Portis, Valentine, Grant or Nwaba, or even Niko for that matter. We don't think even own anyone else's first rounder, while we have traded away our own second round picks for the next 3 years. We're actually are $7 million under salary floor and still has $15 mil TPE from the Butler trade we haven't used. We absolutely need to acquire more assets at this trade deadline. Also on team: Dunn, Lavine, Lauri, Markannen, Lopez. Teams don’t look to trade stars to get better immediately anyhow. They trade them under duress. And as for second round picks...we can buy them when we need them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 1, 2018 -> 02:15 PM) Also on team: Dunn, Lavine, Lauri, Markannen, Lopez. Obviously not Lauri...but how many of those guys are up for extensions starting next summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Contracts aren’t that long in the nba, Lavine is RFA this year, Dunn next, Lauri year after. Cheap long term control won’t be had. They’ll re sign Lavine, and he’s a guy if trade all day to upgrade. Dunn same. Obviously you don’t give em all away but Dunn is now a better asset than when we acquired him credit to Hoiberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 1, 2018 Author Share Posted January 1, 2018 QUOTE (Quin @ Dec 31, 2017 -> 08:23 PM) Ok, everyone acting like the FO is terrible because the players took off and two of the Butler pieces are killing it is reaching. That or everyone here knew Dunn and Lauri would be playing like they are, Portis would play well and Niko would go MVP mode. The same Portis and Niko that fought each other in practice and the organization did nothing to fix? Yeah, that is a symptom of their awfulness right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 As a GarPax basher, You can't bash them both ways. You can't complain they are now too good. If Dunn,a dn Laurie, and Levine are great, that should be a feather in their caps. If they get something for Niko, that should be a feather in their caps. I am sure no one would have been upset had Niko signed somewhere else. People are still b****ing about Bell but wouldn't he make them better? So even us bashers have to pick a lane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 1, 2018 -> 01:39 PM) The same Portis and Niko that fought each other in practice and the organization did nothing to fix? Yeah, that is a symptom of their awfulness right there. I'm saying that people are criticizing them for being too good right now. There's lots to blame - culture allowing that fight, selling Jordan Bell, giving up a pick with Taj, trading for McD, etc. But they clearly tried to tank. We all assumed it was a bottom feeder roster. Suddenly it's playing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 1, 2018 -> 12:15 PM) Also on team: Dunn, Lavine, Lauri, Markannen, Lopez. Teams don’t look to trade stars to get better immediately anyhow. They trade them under duress. And as for second round picks...we can buy them when we need them. So that counts as two players? I made the post with the idea of keeping two or all three of Dunn, LaVine, and Lauri if we were to acquire a star. Trading for a star but tearing down the core leaves us in the same position we were in 6 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 1, 2018 -> 12:43 PM) As a GarPax basher, You can't bash them both ways. You can't complain they are now too good. If Dunn,a dn Laurie, and Levine are great, that should be a feather in their caps. If they get something for Niko, that should be a feather in their caps. I am sure no one would have been upset had Niko signed somewhere else. People are still b****ing about Bell but wouldn't he make them better? So even us bashers have to pick a lane. Except Garpax traded Bell away for a completely different reason. Also, I think people would have less issue with the team winning if it was Bell not Lopez being a key contributor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Bulls continue to get lucky facing a Lilliard-less blazers but I had to give a fist pump when bulls got a rebound, Dunn races up and passes to Valentine who immediately throws a behind the back pass to Lauri for a corner 3 to go up 6. Valentine looks so much better last few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Lost in OT, nice outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 So take this for what it is worth, but over the holidays I caught up with my buddy who is connected to someone in an NBA front office and he always gives me back some nuggets on the Bulls. Basically, he mentioned Lauri was mis-scouted / evaluated by a lot of people (major disconnect between what coaches saw working him out (which was, this is the best guy we've worked out) vs. what people could get on tape of him(questions about athleticism, ability to D, rebound, etc...maybe too "one dimensional"), but the chatter around the league is that if the draft were to happen again today, he probably goes #1. A lot of people think he's going to be a total star. I mention this mainly because a while back someone said we don't have a star on our roster...I'd argue we might have got lucky (plus I have to give front office credit cause they took him) but we got a guy who a lot of people are raving about (and since I am not in Chicago...I also watch a lot of opposition feeds of the Bulls and dude, they all talk about how the other teams coaches rave about Lauri and usually when they watch, the announcers are all in awe at what he can do for being an athletic big). If he were on another team, dare I say it, we'd all be giving J4L a hard time for calling him a generational talent. The other nugget, was more general, but more on the fact that a lot of NBA people are amazed at how much Dunn has improved (year-over-year) and given how much athleticism he has, think he has a lot more upside, given how well and physical he plays, with the key to his game being the continued refinement of that shot. Note: I am not calling Lauri a superstar or can't miss superstar...he's far from it and has a lot of growth that he'd have to add in his game, but he has shown some pretty darn impressive tools and skills. I really hope he stays healthy and continues to work and develop his game (especially that low post game). I have faith in Hoiberg enhancing his shot to be more consistent, which should help reduce some of that "streakiness". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 On the topic of the rebuild...have a question for everyone. Saw this on another forum, so thought it was worth posing here. What pick in next years draft (or what range) would you be willing to deal Lauri or Dunn for (if at all)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I would deal any for a top 5 pick in a heart beat. He still relies a lot on midrange jumpers and isn't great around rim. But he could find his range and then be really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Obviously with Fultz dnp it's hard, but I would still take Tatum over Lauri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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