Lillian Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 One of the biggest obstacles for Anderson is his inability to draw walks. We all know that. The problem is that, when the League knows that a hitter will swing at bad pitches, that is pretty much all he is going to see. It's very hard for any hitter to produce when he is not pitched to. It is imperative that he learn to take bad pitches. If he could establish a reputation of being a patient hitter, with a decent eye, then pitchers would have to throw more strikes to him. It's only then, that we may ever discover what he could do as a hitter. I'm afraid that if he never acquires the ability to take pitches, and draw walks, he is never going to be a good hitter. I understand that most of us know all of this. The point is that Tim Anderson needs to understand it. It's not just that taking his walks would improve his OBP, but he needs to dispel pitchers of the notion that he will swing at bad pitches. The same circumstance is what is keeping Avi from fully realizing his potential. For the first half of the season, when he was among the leaders, pitchers had every reason not to give him much to hit. Yet, even then, he was still not drawing walks. Like Anderson, he just does not have good plate discipline. I'm glad that Hostetler, and his staff, is so committed to finding hitters who have a good eye, and the ability to draw walks. It's a shame that this has only recently been made a priority for the organization. Hopefully it will pay huge dividends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeKreevich Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 A winning team needs to be strong up the middle. The rebuilding White Sox will need to be strong at shortstop and catcher. Maybe Zack or Seby will progress at catcher but I don't see a shortstop in the organization good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 QUOTE (whitesoxwinner @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 12:13 AM) Also a very lazy player. Lazy defense causing him to have the most errors, lazy approach causing him to strikeout, lazy base running. The dude basically walks out the box every time he hits something. Just a flat out lazy player. I don't think this is fair at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 08:28 AM) I don't think this is fair at all. You're right it's unfair...but it's becoming less unfair lately. People have watched him getting frustrated and not hustling and this is unacceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 06:51 AM) You're right it's unfair...but it's becoming less unfair lately. People have watched him getting frustrated and not hustling and this is unacceptable. I don't dispute those things. I know he's frustrated, and I don't know where his head is. But he is not lazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 It definitely looks visibly lazy but it's more likely he is just unsure of himself in almost every situation now. He is so much better on a fast developing play that he reacts to instinctually right now than a slow roller from his bat or to the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 QUOTE (MikeKreevich @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 08:22 AM) A winning team needs to be strong up the middle. The rebuilding White Sox will need to be strong at shortstop and catcher. Maybe Zack or Seby will progress at catcher but I don't see a shortstop in the organization good enough. Sox won't hesitate in the draft if they feel a quality SS is available. It's not easy to find a player who can play quality defense at SS who has a solid bat. Those players are elite prospects. We need to be patient with Anderson and continue to give him a chance, but I would absolutely like to have 1-2 more high quality SS prospects in the wings for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 I don't think Tim has earned the "lazy" label based on his full body of work. I think what we've seen recently is a player who has gotten his head stuck up in his ass because he's struggling to deal with his bad play. When your head's up your ass, you sometimes find yourself walking out of the box, angry at yourself instead of running out a grounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Most of the time the "lazy" tag is exactly that... lazy. Often there is something going on behind the scenes bigger than that. It is lazy to just assume that they are lazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 I don't think TA is struggling because of effort. He just has to be more mentally prepared for the game he loves. It seems like a lot of his mistakes are mental or he's hesitant about making decisions. This is where I want to see improvement from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Señor Ding-Dong Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 04:20 PM) @RyanMcGuffey 2m2 minutes ago More Rick Hahn said he's never seen a player struggle more with an off-field issue than Tim Anderson this season. #WhiteSox While I'm sure it's had an effect on his play to some extent, I can't help but feel that's mostly an excuse to shield the former top prospect who came out of the gates strong from criticism for his horrid play. I haven't looked into it myself, but people said he was bad before his friend died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Fabian Ardaya @FabianArdaya 11m11 minutes ago Rick Hahn said he doesn't feel a demotion to Triple-A Charlotte would prove helpful to Tim Anderson. #WhiteSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 09:28 PM) Fabian Ardaya @FabianArdaya 11m11 minutes ago Rick Hahn said he doesn't feel a demotion to Triple-A Charlotte would prove helpful to Tim Anderson. #WhiteSox Good for Hahn. I know it's crazy but Tim Anderson is a human being struggling with a horrible tragedy. This is a year of struggles and growth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 04:28 PM) Fabian Ardaya @FabianArdaya 11m11 minutes ago Rick Hahn said he doesn't feel a demotion to Triple-A Charlotte would prove helpful to Tim Anderson. #WhiteSox Anderson has been a mess this season. Might just have to ride it out and let him start fresh next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Señor Ding-Dong @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 04:23 PM) While I'm sure it's had an effect on his play to some extent, I can't help but feel that's mostly an excuse to shield the former top prospect who came out of the gates strong from criticism for his horrid play. I haven't looked into it myself, but people said he was bad before his friend died. His friend died in late April/early May. There wasn't much time beforehand for him to be playing poorly. Around the time his friend died, there were people who wanted to DFA Abreu due to his performance. Edited July 26, 2017 by Jose Abreu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Still think contract extension was premature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 04:53 PM) Still think contract extension was premature. It's $24 million over 6 years. Get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 The question about demotion or not is solely about what's going to produce the best outcome for Tim. The 2017 White Sox can sustain s***ty shortstop play. So if the Sox believe a demotion would be very bad for an already negative state of mind, keep him up here. If they think they can sell a demotion to AAA to Tim as something that's good for him and not a reflection of the Sox believing he's a terrible player, then consider that instead. The right move will be hard to know from the outside. With that said, he should start getting more frequent rest in the near term and by next season, he should have a short leash regardless of what may be going on emotionally/mentally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Dansby Swanson being sent down. I still don't see it as this big betrayal to give him a AAA stint, I really think it will help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 05:13 PM) The question about demotion or not is solely about what's going to produce the best outcome for Tim. The 2017 White Sox can sustain s***ty shortstop play. So if the Sox believe a demotion would be very bad for an already negative state of mind, keep him up here. If they think they can sell a demotion to AAA to Tim as something that's good for him and not a reflection of the Sox believing he's a terrible player, then consider that instead. The right move will be hard to know from the outside. With that said, he should start getting more frequent rest in the near term and by next season, he should have a short leash regardless of what may be going on emotionally/mentally. I agree with this and I'd hope the fact that Sox already invested in him smooths that over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Schwarber went from World Series to Iowa. It wouldn't kill Anderson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 I'd personally like to see TA up here but I would consider putting him on the DL for a week or two and have him clear his head and come back recharged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 TA has till the end of '19 before the sox will feel the need to make a move, write this year off and try and rise above and over come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 03:35 AM) I'd personally like to see TA up here but I would consider putting him on the DL for a week or two and have him clear his head and come back recharged. Yep if he's struggling as much emotionally as they are implying, then they need to get him help (I mean that in the most caring way possible). It does no one any good if he's incapable of focusing on the field because of the tragedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Meh, Timmy isn't the first player to struggle in his second season. Let's see if he can put this year behind him when the '18 season gets going. The Sox have nothing but time and patience. With youth comes growing pains. We'll be seeing plenty of that in the upcoming years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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