steveno89 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 01:56 PM) Even with his horrible numbers, he has managed to pull down $900k or more each of the last three seasons. Being 3 months from free agency, I am not sure the incentive for him to sign would be enough Maybe I'm nuts due to track record, but why would Ryan Madson and his contract be any more desirable than a rental of Swarzak for a contender? Swarzak is younger and arguably pitching just as good, if not better, than Madson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 12:17 PM) Song=crap. Flawed player with little likelihood of being MLB guy. That's not off the table at all for Swarzak. The guy has performed very strongly though. I think his lack of track record will bog him down despite a great 2017. He was decent in 2011, good in 2013, decent in 2016, despite the ERA; He was bad in 2012 and 2014 and basically sat out 2015. He's inconsistent, but he's good in 2017 and only 2017 is being traded. There will be worse relievers moved. Lack of track record would apply Kahnle as well. Edited July 5, 2017 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Predictions: Melky to Tampa Bay or Arizona. Probably won't get much but both these teams have huge OF holes and will offer up something to fix that problem for the stretch run. I think the Nats cave on Robertson--but wouldn't be surprised if they try to solve all their pen issues with one deal and want Kahnle but settle for Swarzak as a part of things. We will still have to pick up part of DRob's salary and will not receive Victor Robles for our generosity--however we could still end up with a solid return. I think Frazier will be dangled but there will be no takers--Teams in search of a 3B will go hard after Josh Donaldson till the deadline hits. If Donaldson doesn't get moved, someone will claim Todd off waivers but no deal will be reached. Soxtalk will be forced to somehow make sense of this. I think the ship has sailed on the Miguel Gonzalez project...5 runs or more in 6 of last 9 outings doesn't bode well for a contender. Same thing goes for Derek Holland--the door is quickly shutting with 4 of last 6 outings of 5 runs or more. ERA from 2.37-4.52...yeah, I'm probably not buying that if I'm a contender. The real James Shields IS standing up. He's not worth a prospect if I'm a contender. They weren't moved prior to this point because EVERYONE and their non-baseball following grandmothers saw this fall coming for all 3 of these guys. Kahnle will stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) A team could buy a Holland or Pelfrey even to just help get through the second half (for example: you want to give some young starters some rest). Not that you would get anything significant of value but say like a PTBNL. Edited July 5, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 02:40 PM) A team could buy a Holland or Pelfrey even to just help get through the second half (for example: you want to give some young starters some rest). I can see that...but I don't know...I might want to use someone from my own system before I gave up a prospect to get someone from someone else's team to save my starters. I'd rather plug in a AAA prospect occasionally to get him some MLB experience. Plus I would have to have a pretty big lead to have that luxury. It could happen though. Happened before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 QUOTE (FT35 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 03:48 PM) I can see that...but I don't know...I might want to use someone from my own system before I gave up a prospect to get someone from someone else's team to save my starters. I'd rather plug in a AAA prospect occasionally to get him some MLB experience. Plus I would have to have a pretty big lead to have that luxury. It could happen though. Happened before. Yeah for sure. I don't think it will either but it could for a very minimal price. I almost suggested the Dodgers as an option but they would seem so unlikely with all that depth haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 QUOTE (FT35 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 01:34 PM) I think Frazier will be dangled but there will be no takers--Teams in search of a 3B will go hard after Josh Donaldson till the deadline hits. If Donaldson doesn't get moved, someone will claim Todd off waivers but no deal will be reached. Soxtalk will be forced to somehow make sense of this. If this happened and someone claimed him on waivers but we couldn't "reach a deal" -- we'd still cut ties with him and the claiming team would take on his remaining salary obligations. It's very likely Todd is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 02:54 PM) If this happened and someone claimed him on waivers but we couldn't "reach a deal" -- we'd still cut ties with him and the claiming team would take on his remaining salary obligations. It's very likely Todd is gone. Interesting...Is this true even if a team claims him just to block him from going somewhere else? They're on the hook $ wise if we cut him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 QUOTE (FT35 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 08:34 PM) Interesting...Is this true even if a team claims him just to block him from going somewhere else? They're on the hook $ wise if we cut him? If the waiving team decides to let him go for the salary relief alone, then yes.... see Alex Rios to the White Sox as an example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 10:00 PM) If the waiving team decides to let him go for the salary relief alone, then yes.... see Alex Rios to the White Sox as an example. I guess in my mind that makes sense it just never clicked for some reason...I always thought you had so much time to trade him and if you couldn't work out a deal, there was no transaction. Like with Rios, I thought we just wanted him and therefore agreed to pay his salary. Knowing that the team who owns the rights to a player can change gears in a trade negotiation and essentially add them to your books regardless of additional consent (past the waiver claim) makes putting in a waiver claim a lot more risky. So the move for a team to claim someone to block another team from acquiring him isn't all that safe because you could be stuck with him if the team who owns the player on waivers decides to just assign them to you. I guess that would be keep teams honest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 It makes sense to trade him for anything by 7/31 than let him go for nothing other than salary relief in the weeks after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 03:54 PM) If this happened and someone claimed him on waivers but we couldn't "reach a deal" -- we'd still cut ties with him and the claiming team would take on his remaining salary obligations. It's very likely Todd is gone. 100%. There is no way Todd Frazier is a White Sox on August 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 09:40 AM) 100%. There is no way Todd Frazier is a White Sox on August 1. Agreed. Even if the best offer isn't great, you gotta pull the trigger. For the sake of getting anything back and opening a spot for someone else on the roster. Edited July 6, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 09:52 AM) Agreed. Even if the best offer isn't great, you gotta pull the trigger. For the sake of getting anything back and opening a spot for someone else on the roster. Unless there are multiple suitors for Frazier, which I don't see, the Sox will get less than Frazier's true production value. Other teams know that he has no value to the Sox in holding him, so they don't have to offer top dollar. Hahn will have to pull the trigger anyway, as you said. The same is true for Swarzak and I think Robertson, too (the Sox retain some value by holding Robertson, but it falls off a lot)...but there should be multiple suitors for those 2, which should help the return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 11:21 AM) I changed my mind on Q. He's going, and he'll be first- July 26. Only two more weeks. Ok, I'll tell you to who too...Yankees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Should have quit while I was ahead... So who's next? I'll go Frazier to Boston. Just makes too much sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) I get the feeling it will be Quintana, and it will be pretty quickly. Not half bad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsOnMintSt Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Really thought a a Robertson trade would get the ball rolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I got Robo next to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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