Chicago White Sox Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 01:22 PM) Hmph, their opening day payroll was listed as $199 million and they haven't cut money, so yeah there's got to be some weird luxury tax level rules that move how things are calculated around. Contracts are straight-lined for luxury tax purposes, so their actual payroll should always be higher than luxury tax figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 01:57 PM) Contracts are straight-lined for luxury tax purposes, so their actual payroll should always be higher than luxury tax figure. Yeah this is how I remember it. One example of when a team's luxury tax figure being higher than a team's payroll is that Scherzer contract. He's receiving his payout over 14 years while for luxury tax purposes, it is over the 7 they have him. Edited July 14, 2017 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 12:24 PM) Why should the White Sox pick up any of Sandoval's money? That's Boston's problem. No one is going to help them out there. I'm all for eating Frazier's remaining money(6M) while eating 1/2 of Sandoval's remaining contract; roughly 50M including the buy out. To get a package like Groome + Chavis + Okimey & Beeks. Essentially paying 25m for Groome and Chavis, Sox would be giving them roughly an additional 20M of breathing room since they wouldn't be getting hit with a 40% overage, so in essence nearly clearing them from the tax burden of the contract and give them more flexibility in free agency and acquisitions in the future. It would be very forward thinking by Hahn and similar to the dodgers Alex Wood, Jose Peraza 3-team, 13-player deal. Boiling it down, if sox eat 25M of Sandovals contract and if need be send 6M over with Frazier it will help the red sox save roughly 45M+ in future obligations and get them under the tax threshold. In doing so Chicago gets 2 top 100 prospects Groome @ 87 & Chavis @ 96 while getting market value for Frazier in Ockimey & Beeks. If you go by the point of Pittsburgh study and viva el birdo's recent study in terms of rank Groome & Chavis are worth between $36.2 - $37.1M The white sox have $102,951,212 in total adjusted salary this year after taking out Q's contract, next year its $28,950,000 if you include Robertson's contract or just $15,950,000 if you take out Robertson's contract and that doesn't include arbitration for Abreu and Avi, If the sox can use their financial muscle to get two top 100 prospects I hope they do so, they've shown a willingness in signing Robert lets keep it going. edit - spelling and missing link Edited July 14, 2017 by beautox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 11:55 AM) I fully expect Frazier being to traded to the Red Sox in the coming days. I just don't see Dombrowski playing poker with us when Todd is the best available 3B out there. I'm also sticking with my prediction that C.J. Chatham will be the return. Wouldn't mind this at all but I think BOS gets Prado...STL should be all over Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 02:41 PM) Wouldn't mind this at all but I think BOS gets Prado...STL should be all over Todd I think the BoSox wind up with Frazier. They don't want Prado's contract next year and the year after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 03:45 PM) I think the BoSox wind up with Frazier. They don't want Prado's contract next year and the year after. Didn't even realize that, all I've been seeing is Prado to BOS rumors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 02:45 PM) I think the BoSox wind up with Frazier. They don't want Prado's contract next year and the year after. They've been linked to him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 QUOTE (beautox @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 02:17 PM) I'm all for eating Frazier's remaining money(6M) while eating 1/2 of Sandoval's remaining contract; roughly 50M including the buy out. To get a package like Groome + Chavis + Okimey & Beeks. Essentially paying 25m for Groome and Chavis, Sox would be giving them roughly an additional 20M of breathing room since they wouldn't be getting hit with a 40% overage, so in essence nearly clearing them from the tax burden of the contract and give them more flexibility in free agency and acquisitions in the future. And for whom would Boston need to clear that salary room so as not to hit the Tax? Re Sandoval, just DFA him upon acquisition, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 05:00 PM) And for whom would Boston need to clear that salary room so as not to hit the Tax? Re Sandoval, just DFA him upon acquisition, please. Future acquisitions, like Hosmer next year and extensions (bogaerts, betts, JBJ to start) and if we got Sandoval it would do no harm to invest time with him at 3B/1B/DH and see if they can get him right and ship him off at the deadline next year for a prospect or two, worst case as actual prospects come up DFA him again. Edited July 14, 2017 by beautox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Love the reference to Rosenthal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 06:59 PM) I'm kinda lost actually. Was that real or a joke? I totally just fell for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Honestly shocked we haven't heard s*** about Melky...good Lord. Dude is swinging a ridiculous bat lately...doin it on the field. How have we not heard any contenders in on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 QUOTE (Wanne @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 12:13 AM) Honestly shocked we haven't heard s*** about Melky...good Lord. Dude is swinging a ridiculous bat lately...doin it on the field. How have we not heard any contenders in on him? I think he'll be traded after the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 QUOTE (Wanne @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 12:13 AM) Honestly shocked we haven't heard s*** about Melky...good Lord. Dude is swinging a ridiculous bat lately...doin it on the field. How have we not heard any contenders in on him? Melky is a one dimensional player, with that one dimension being his hit tool. He is not the worst defender, but he is not good. His arm is not a liability, but it's not a strength. He has a bit of power, but he's not a 20 homer guy. He is not the slowest guy, but there's a reason he doesn't have a stolen base this year. Thus, given all of those attributes, Melky Cabrera rates as a slightly above average player, currently on pace for just under 1.0 WAR for the season. Thus, teams in contention will be looking for other alternatives in the meantime, using Melky as a fall back option. It really wouldn't surprise me if the Sox have a couple packages lined up with teams for Melky, but Rick Hahn is letting them do their due diligence in seeing if they can't find someone better. Hahn isn't dumb and he knows what Melky Cabrera is. Melky will move, and I think he'll move before the deadline, and he'll be moved for a guy we probably haven't heard much of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 One, if not both of these guys will be on waivers if they don't make the non-waiver trade deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:08 AM) Melky is a one dimensional player, with that one dimension being his hit tool. He is not the worst defender, but he is not good. His arm is not a liability, but it's not a strength. He has a bit of power, but he's not a 20 homer guy. He is not the slowest guy, but there's a reason he doesn't have a stolen base this year. Thus, given all of those attributes, Melky Cabrera rates as a slightly above average player, currently on pace for just under 1.0 WAR for the season. Thus, teams in contention will be looking for other alternatives in the meantime, using Melky as a fall back option. Doesn't he have a really good arm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 11:08 AM) Melky is a one dimensional player, with that one dimension being his hit tool. He is not the worst defender, but he is not good. His arm is not a liability, but it's not a strength. He has a bit of power, but he's not a 20 homer guy. He is not the slowest guy, but there's a reason he doesn't have a stolen base this year. Thus, given all of those attributes, Melky Cabrera rates as a slightly above average player, currently on pace for just under 1.0 WAR for the season. Thus, teams in contention will be looking for other alternatives in the meantime, using Melky as a fall back option. It really wouldn't surprise me if the Sox have a couple packages lined up with teams for Melky, but Rick Hahn is letting them do their due diligence in seeing if they can't find someone better. Hahn isn't dumb and he knows what Melky Cabrera is. C Melky will move, and I think he'll move before the deadline, and he'll be moved for a guy we probably haven't heard much of. Good post but he is slightly above replacement, not slightly above average. Todd is slightly above average. So is Jose. Average is good. If the Sox had more average players the last decade they win quite a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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