hi8is Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Guess the trade that kicks things off... and when does it occur? Bordeoms not a burden anyone should bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Verlander/Avila to Cubs for Almora and a few minor league pitchers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Gray gets traded but I'm not sure where. Cubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soha Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 06:55 AM) Gray gets traded but I'm not sure where. Cubs? Yeah I'll go Eloy + a lower prospect for Sonny Gray. The Cubs are desperate for a cost controlled starter and he's probably the best option available if the Sox and Cubs aren't willing to deal with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Robertson, Kahnle, & cash for Soto & Kieboom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 08:10 AM) Robertson, Kahnle, & cash for Soto & Kieboom. I'd drive both to the airport if that is an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 06:42 AM) Verlander/Avila to Cubs for Almora and a few minor league pitchers God I hope the Cubs back up the truck for Verlander. It would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 06:42 AM) Verlander/Avila to Cubs for Almora and a few minor league pitchers Let's see if the Cubs have any interest in the Sox 1.5 WHIP pitchers. I assume that Verlander has kept his velocity or most of it (considering the apparent demand for his services) but he's also 34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsOnMintSt Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 I think Verlander gets the ball rolling on these trades. I don't think it's the Cubs, but I think he gets moved before the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Here's my guess: Group 1: It starts with a team like Colorado, AZ or KC making a big move to shore up top wild card contender status. Big doesn't necessarily mean top known targets, but maybe a known-vet name coming off of one of the disappointing teams Group 2: Teams like Yankees/Red Sox/Astros/Nationals wait until the absolute deadline to see if supply opens up. Group 3: Some of the rebuilding/not there yet teams trade some mlb for mlb players based on positional need. Names for group 1: Ian Kinsler McCutcheon Lucroy Carlos Gomez Samardjiza Frazier Bullpen Names for Group 2: Cueto Quintana Gray JD Martinez Donaldson Archer Cole Bullpen Darvish? Group 3: No idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Quintana makes a whole of sense for just about any team. Not only are you getting a front line pitcher, you are getting one who is young, affordable, and signed for a number of years. If a team is going to buy big, he is a guy to do it for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 09:35 AM) Quintana makes a whole of sense for just about any team. Not only are you getting a front line pitcher, you are getting one who is young, affordable, and signed for a number of years. If a team is going to buy big, he is a guy to do it for. The problem is of the "chasers" only Colorado has a good farm system, and I really don't like the fit of Quintana in Colorado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 I don't know...if I'm the Cubs, I'm stuck. They're 4.5 games back from an overachieving Milwaukee team who always fades late...6.5 back in the Wild Card. They have essentially the same team as last year that won. About everyone in their core group is under-performing well below what they are capable of--but they are all still intact. I feel like they are a cold shooter on a basketball court. All they need is to see the ball go through the hoop--string a few wins together, see a few studs start to heat up and the team will take off and still win the division by a half-dozen games. I'm not sure if I were them--a year removed from dealing Gleyber Torres, if I'm ready to send off Jimenez or anything else of that level of significance when they have a World Championship caliber roster as it is now. If they can add a SP, without giving up another pillar of strength from their system, I think they will do it, but I don't see them unloading another haul from their system to acquire someone like Sonny Gray or Verlander who is doing the SAME thing the rest of their players are doing--underachieving. If I'm the Cubs--which I'm not--I'm not dealing Eloy, Happ, or anyone of that talent to acquire anything but TOP, long-term potential talent in return. I'd move some lesser pieces and take on salary for a guy like Verlander in hopes he turns it around, but yikes...to see them gut their system for someone who has been kicked around like a beach ball on a summer day is a head-scratcher to me. A Trevor Cahill re-acquisition seems more likely because the price is right. If they decide to go for broke, I think you'll see a run at someone like Yu Darvish rather than Sonny Gray--someone who can be a confident regular in a short playoff rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 QUOTE (FT35 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 10:07 AM) I don't know...if I'm the Cubs, I'm stuck. They're 4.5 games back from an overachieving Milwaukee team who always fades late...6.5 back in the Wild Card. They have essentially the same team as last year that won. About everyone in their core group is under-performing well below what they are capable of--but they are all still intact. I feel like they are a cold shooter on a basketball court. All they need is to see the ball go through the hoop--string a few wins together, see a few studs start to heat up and the team will take off and still win the division by a half-dozen games. I'm not sure if I were them--a year removed from dealing Gleyber Torres, if I'm ready to send off Jimenez or anything else of that level of significance when they have a World Championship caliber roster as it is now. If they can add a SP, without giving up another pillar of strength from their system, I think they will do it, but I don't see them unloading another haul from their system to acquire someone like Sonny Gray or Verlander who is doing the SAME thing the rest of their players are doing--underachieving. If I'm the Cubs--which I'm not--I'm not dealing Eloy, Happ, or anyone of that talent to acquire anything but TOP, long-term potential talent in return. I'd move some lesser pieces and take on salary for a guy like Verlander in hopes he turns it around, but yikes...to see them gut their system for someone who has been kicked around like a beach ball on a summer day is a head-scratcher to me. A Trevor Cahill re-acquisition seems more likely because the price is right. If they decide to go for broke, I think you'll see a run at someone like Yu Darvish rather than Sonny Gray--someone who can be a confident regular in a short playoff rotation. The issue is they absolutely need a cost-controlled starter for the next few years. Arrieta isn't the same guy, Lackey is toast, and Lester will be 34. That's not a rotation you can win a World Series with going forward. Plus, most of these guys are blocked. Calendario has literally nowhere to play. Almora can't get on the field enough. Hell, even Happ doesn't have a full time position with the log jam the Cubs have in the outfield. Maybe they won't move Eloy. But they'll most certainly move Calendario and/or some of even the major league pieces. Otherwise those assets just waste away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 QUOTE (Username @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 11:22 AM) The issue is they absolutely need a cost-controlled starter for the next few years. Arrieta isn't the same guy, Lackey is toast, and Lester will be 34. That's not a rotation you can win a World Series with going forward. Plus, most of these guys are blocked. Calendario has literally nowhere to play. Almora can't get on the field enough. Hell, even Happ doesn't have a full time position with the log jam the Cubs have in the outfield. Maybe they won't move Eloy. But they'll most certainly move Calendario and/or some of even the major league pieces. Otherwise those assets just waste away. All good points. The cubs farm is thin on pitching so at some point the cubs will have to trade some hitting assets for pitching as well as sign one or two on the FA market if they want to have a contending starting rotation in the future. That rotation has already peaked and begun breaking down. Time for an overhaul on that rotation and Q would be a great place to start, not that I'm counting on a Sox/cubs trade to actually happen. Theo has to be pretty desperate though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 7, 2017 Author Share Posted July 7, 2017 Is it just me or has this years trading season been slooow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 04:49 PM) Is it just me or has this years trading season been slooow? Its still early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 I'm surprised some teams don't try to acquire players earlier to get more out of them so to speak. But it's another form of "baseball tradition" I guess. Most of the deals are near the trade deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 06:17 PM) I'm surprised some teams don't try to acquire players earlier to get more out of them so to speak. But it's another form of "baseball tradition" I guess. Most of the deals are near the trade deadline. That's what we tried doing with Peavy a few years back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 8, 2017 -> 01:59 AM) That's what we tried doing with Peavy a few years back. That's right. I forgot about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 07:59 PM) That's what we tried doing with Peavy a few years back. That was always KW's M.O. Peavy, Garcia, Everett, Alomar come to mind immediately. Youkilis to some extent too, though that was under different circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Carl had a career .271 average. 202 home runs. And a ring. Not a bad career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 I too think Sonny Gray is the 1st trade. And just to be different, I'll say he goes to Minnesota, centered around Nick Gordon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 06:17 PM) I'm surprised some teams don't try to acquire players earlier to get more out of them so to speak. But it's another form of "baseball tradition" I guess. Most of the deals are near the trade deadline. With the 2nd wildcard, more teams are in the race longer. So you have less teams giving up early. You really have to be very far out to start dealing in early July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Seems like the 2nd wildcard is gumming up the works, so to speak. Right now, only three AL teams are definitely selling, and most of the NL teams that are in sell mode don't have much to trade. I'll say first major trade is Ryan Madson to the Red Sox. Dombrowski is aggressive and they could use a set-up man for Kimbrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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