CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 8, 2017 -> 04:04 AM) Seems like the 2nd wildcard is gumming up the works, so to speak. Right now, only three AL teams are definitely selling, and most of the NL teams that are in sell mode don't have much to trade. I'll say first major trade is Ryan Madson to the Red Sox. Dombrowski is aggressive and they could use a set-up man for Kimbrel. Sean Doolittle of the A's would be a good get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 8, 2017 -> 07:04 AM) Seems like the 2nd wildcard is gumming up the works, so to speak. Right now, only three AL teams are definitely selling, and most of the NL teams that are in sell mode don't have much to trade. I'll say first major trade is Ryan Madson to the Red Sox. Dombrowski is aggressive and they could use a set-up man for Kimbrel. Joe Kelly has been outstanding as their RH set-up guy for Kimbrel. I think Boston may add a lefty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 10:02 AM) God I hope the Cubs back up the truck for Verlander. It would be awesome. Eh, I'd rather our divisional rival be on the books for the money and not adding good/decent prospects to their terrible farm system. Especially the douchey one. Edited July 9, 2017 by ypres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 QUOTE (ypres @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 06:53 PM) Eh, I'd rather our divisional rival be on the books for the money and not adding good/decent prospects to their terrible farm system. Especially the douchey one. Seriously. I'm getting tired of teams helping Detroit out with their s***ty contracts. I'm still pissed about them getting out of that Fielder contract years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 01:51 AM) Seriously. I'm getting tired of teams helping Detroit out with their s***ty contracts. I'm still pissed about them getting out of that Fielder contract years ago. I know. I used to rail on and on about contracts and how dumb owners are cause it almost always ends up like this: Which is the team wanting to dump the guy. So Verlander makes 28,000,000 next year, then 28 mill in 2019 and 22 mill in 2020. I guess he's still "pretty good" but his era is 4.7 which is not good enough for that money, is it? Is anybody really going to take on that amount of dough? Cubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 10:03 PM) I know. I used to rail on and on about contracts and how dumb owners are cause it almost always ends up like this: Which is the team wanting to dump the guy. So Verlander makes 28,000,000 next year, then 28 mill in 2019 and 22 mill in 2020. I guess he's still "pretty good" but his era is 4.7 which is not good enough for that money, is it? Is anybody really going to take on that amount of dough? Cubs? No team is taking on Verlander's contract in a trade at this point. He's owed a ton of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 04:28 AM) No team is taking on Verlander's contract in a trade at this point. He's owed a ton of money. Why are we hearing his name so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDWhiteSoxFan Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 12:32 AM) Why are we hearing his name so much? He used to be an Ace, and he has a hot fiance. Pretty much hero worship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 The Tigers think they can find some team willing to take Verlander's contract, just like the Padres found some team willing to take Shields' contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 09:03 PM) I know. I used to rail on and on about contracts and how dumb owners are cause it almost always ends up like this: Which is the team wanting to dump the guy. So Verlander makes 28,000,000 next year, then 28 mill in 2019 and 22 mill in 2020. I guess he's still "pretty good" but his era is 4.7 which is not good enough for that money, is it? Is anybody really going to take on that amount of dough? Cubs? Yes, because money is no object to Joe Ricketts and Co., yuge investment in building baseball's version of Disneyworld on the North side, Epstein's proven history of being a big spender, cub fans clamoring for a 're-peat". Add is Lester and Arrieta's inconsistency and you can almost bet the cubs will spend big on pitching if the opportunity presents and make a trade or two...at least one big name starter...perhaps Verlander, Sonny Gray or Archer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 07:43 AM) Yes, because money is no object to Joe Ricketts and Co., yuge investment in building baseball's version of Disneyworld on the North side, Epstein's proven history of being a big spender, cub fans clamoring for a 're-peat". Add is Lester and Arrieta's inconsistency and you can almost bet the cubs will spend big on pitching if the opportunity presents and make a trade or two...at least one big name starter...perhaps Verlander, Sonny Gray or Archer. Rays may be in a tough position. They are right in wildcard position so I doubt they unload Archer unless they get young ML talent back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 06:26 AM) The Tigers think they can find some team willing to take Verlander's contract, just like the Padres found some team willing to take Shields' contract. You are starting to lose it. The Padres had to eat over half of his contract to move Shields. The Sox only took on $27M for 2 1/2 years of control. That's about how much Verlander makes in one season. And the Tigers aren't going to eat any money while also expecting quality prospects in return. The situations aren't even remotely comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 06:43 AM) Yes, because money is no object to Joe Ricketts and Co., yuge investment in building baseball's version of Disneyworld on the North side, Epstein's proven history of being a big spender, cub fans clamoring for a 're-peat". Add is Lester and Arrieta's inconsistency and you can almost bet the cubs will spend big on pitching if the opportunity presents and make a trade or two...at least one big name starter...perhaps Verlander, Sonny Gray or Archer. Money is no object to the Ricketts? Didn't they just recently sell equity in the team to help with their debt load? The Cubs may have some money to spend, but let's not act like they're suddenly the Dodgers or Yankees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 07:25 AM) You are starting to lose it. The Padres had to eat over half of his contract to move Shields. The Sox only took on $27M for 2 1/2 years of control. That's about how much Verlander makes in one season. And the Tigers aren't going to eat any money while also expecting quality prospects in return. The situations aren't even remotely comparable. The truth is a terrible thing to waste. Nice post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 07:25 AM) You are starting to lose it. The Padres had to eat over half of his contract to move Shields. The Sox only took on $27M for 2 1/2 years of control. That's about how much Verlander makes in one season. And the Tigers aren't going to eat any money while also expecting quality prospects in return. The situations aren't even remotely comparable. There is similarity - Verlander is just more expensive. Verlander makes $28 million per; Shields $22 million per. Verlander has 3.5 years left; Shields had 2.5 years left. Verlander's 2 years younger than Shields - so by the time the contract liability is paid out, both will be of the same age. If the Tigers sell it for the same percentage that the Padres did, the buyer would be on the hook for about $44 million ($7, $13, $13, $11) for 3.5 years of team control. Certainly more $ and years than Shields (Who also inexplicably cost prospects), but to do a deal like this, the acquiring team has to be looking in the past. And Verlander's past was better. Maybe someone would bite if they cut it to $30 million. I hope the Tigers are stuck with him. Edited July 10, 2017 by GreenSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 09:51 AM) There is similarity - Verlander is just more expensive. Verlander makes $28 million per; Shields $22 million per. Verlander has 3.5 years left; Shields had 2.5 years left. Verlander's 2 years younger than Shields - so by the time the contract liability is paid out, both will be of the same age. If the Tigers sell it for the same percentage that the Padres did, the buyer would be on the hook for about $44 million ($7, $13, $13, $11) for 3.5 years of team control. Certainly more $ and years than Shields (Who also inexplicably cost prospects), but to do a deal like this, the acquiring team has to be looking in the past. And Verlander's past was better. Maybe someone would bite if they cut it to $30 million. I hope the Tigers are stuck with him. Doubtful the Tigers would be willing to eat $30 million of his contract just to move him. Plus they will still want significant prospects in return for doing so. I doubt he gets traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) Doubtful the Tigers would be willing to eat $30 million of his contract just to move him. Plus they will still want significant prospects in return for doing so. I doubt he gets traded. I think they Tigers are in dreamland then. He is a Tigers icon, so I can see them just holding. Edited July 10, 2017 by GreenSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) I think Verlander eventually goes as a salary dump at some point in the next calendar year. Team trading for him deals 2-3 low B/C level prospects. Edited July 10, 2017 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 11:21 AM) I think they Tigers are in dreamland then. He is a Tigers icon, so I can see them just holding. The guy is coming off a season where he was the runner up for the Cy Young, its not like he has a track record of being a garbage pitcher. He has had a rough start to the season, but much like Q, teams are willing to overlook some poor peripherals when you are playing for a bad team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 13, 2017 Author Share Posted July 13, 2017 Well, we had the domino and it fell :wow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 So much for the cubs interest in Verlander. Sorry Tigers fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 12:51 PM) So much for the cubs interest in Verlander. Sorry Tigers fans. Even better. Takes away an option for the Tigers to move Verlander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 LOL. Rangers saw that deal and have now put Darvish on the market. Thank goodness Hahn struck when he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 01:47 PM) LOL. Rangers saw that deal and have now put Darvish on the market. Thank goodness Hahn struck when he did. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Sox did real well with timing and good on Hahn for ensuring it. I was skeptical and it worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 12:47 PM) LOL. Rangers saw that deal and have now put Darvish on the market. Thank goodness Hahn struck when he did. Watch...Darvish to Milwaukee...LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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