Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted September 29, 2003 Share Posted September 29, 2003 The papers are saying KW said our budget will only go up marginally. We can't compete at 55 million, can we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 29, 2003 Share Posted September 29, 2003 The papers are saying KW said our budget will only go up marginally. We can't compete at 55 million, can we? That is pure BS. With the increase in ticket prices, concessions, parking, and the increase in attendance, we should have a corresponding increase in payroll, otherwise the fans are getting screwed again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 29, 2003 Share Posted September 29, 2003 The papers are saying KW said our budget will only go up marginally. We can't compete at 55 million, can we? AL-wise? No. s***ty AL Central-wise? Yes. That is all this Organization as it currently is is worried about. They hope the Sox catch fire IF they make the PostSeason. Just win the AL Central baby. :fyou JR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 AL-wise? No. s***ty AL Central-wise? Yes. That is all this Organization as it currently is is worried about. They hope the Sox catch fire IF they make the PostSeason. Just win the AL Central baby. :fyou JR That's the way it's always been. They just want to put a "competitive" team on the field, not a championship caliber team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 AL-wise? No. s***ty AL Central-wise? Yes. That is all this Organization as it currently is is worried about. They hope the Sox catch fire IF they make the PostSeason. Just win the AL Central baby. :fyou JR That's the way it's always been. They just want to put a "competitive" team on the field, not a championship caliber team. Yeah I think all JR cares about is making a profit rather than breaking even with a Championship Caliber team out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted September 30, 2003 Author Share Posted September 30, 2003 The Southtown and Sun-Times are saying our huge offer to Colon is 3 years for a total of 30-33 million. That won't be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 That is pure BS. With the increase in ticket prices, concessions, parking, and the increase in attendance, we should have a corresponding increase in payroll, otherwise the fans are getting screwed again. What increases are you talking about..? We've gotten no information about any further increases. By the way.. the parking co get's 80% of the increased revenue until the start of the 2005 season. They had the Sox by the balls when they threatened to walk - thus leaving the Sox with no attendants at all which would mean no parking - and signed a sweet 2 year deal in 2002 for the '03 and '04 seasons. That deal was the reason for the $2 increase this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 What increases are you talking about..? We've gotten no information about any further increases. By the way.. the parking co get's 80% of the increased revenue until the start of the 2005 season. They had the Sox by the balls when they threatened to walk - thus leaving the Sox with no attendants at all which would mean no parking - and signed a sweet 2 year deal in 2002 for the '03 and '04 seasons. That deal was the reason for the $2 increase this year. I think he meant last year. Increased prices and increased sales should equal increased payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 What increases are you talking about..? We've gotten no information about any further increases. By the way.. the parking co get's 80% of the increased revenue until the start of the 2005 season. They had the Sox by the balls when they threatened to walk - thus leaving the Sox with no attendants at all which would mean no parking - and signed a sweet 2 year deal in 2002 for the '03 and '04 seasons. That deal was the reason for the $2 increase this year. I think he meant last year. Increased prices and increased sales should equal increased payroll. Hmm.. Colon? Koch? Mags raise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 What increases are you talking about..? We've gotten no information about any further increases. By the way.. the parking co get's 80% of the increased revenue until the start of the 2005 season. They had the Sox by the balls when they threatened to walk - thus leaving the Sox with no attendants at all which would mean no parking - and signed a sweet 2 year deal in 2002 for the '03 and '04 seasons. That deal was the reason for the $2 increase this year. I think he meant last year. Increased prices and increased sales should equal increased payroll. Yeah that is exactly what I was talking about. We had a 20% increase in attendance, on top of the 20% increase in ticket prices, yet we only get a "marginal" increase in payroll. That is BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 It will possibly be a 5% to 8% payroll increase. You forget that with the increases in the fans comes the additional cost of vendors, parking attendants, concessions, security, etc, etc... And like I mentioned previous.. Colon got paid, Koch got paid, etc, etc.. I'd be ok with an 8% raise. Teams with lesser payrolls have gotten the job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 It will possibly be a 5% to 8% payroll increase. You forget that with the increases in the fans comes the additional cost of vendors, parking attendants, concessions, security, etc, etc... And like I mentioned previous.. Colon got paid, Koch got paid, etc, etc.. I'd be ok with an 8% raise. Teams with lesser payrolls have gotten the job done. The players raises are a part of the payroll. If that number is taken up by raises that doesn't bother me, as long as our payroll total increases to reflect the added burden passed onto the fans. And aren't the concessions based on contracts awarded to the concessionaires? So in other words if they have increased costs, they have to deal with it, just as if they have increased profits they get to keep those also? Parking has already become a fixed cost as you said in another thread that is now a fixed long term cost, because of a contract for that also. I wouldn't be surprised if security is also contracted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted September 30, 2003 Author Share Posted September 30, 2003 It will possibly be a 5% to 8% payroll increase. You forget that with the increases in the fans comes the additional cost of vendors, parking attendants, concessions, security, etc, etc... And like I mentioned previous.. Colon got paid, Koch got paid, etc, etc.. I'd be ok with an 8% raise. Teams with lesser payrolls have gotten the job done. Let's say our current payroll is 55 million. Add 8%, and you're at just below 60 million. Historically, very few teams have "gotten the job done", if the job is make the playoffs, let alone win the World Series, at that salary level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 It will possibly be a 5% to 8% payroll increase. You forget that with the increases in the fans comes the additional cost of vendors, parking attendants, concessions, security, etc, etc... And like I mentioned previous.. Colon got paid, Koch got paid, etc, etc.. I'd be ok with an 8% raise. Teams with lesser payrolls have gotten the job done. The players raises are a part of the payroll. If that number is taken up by raises that doesn't bother me, as long as our payroll total increases to reflect the added burden passed onto the fans. And aren't the concessions based on contracts awarded to the concessionaires? So in other words if they have increased costs, they have to deal with it, just as if they have increased profits they get to keep those also? Parking has already become a fixed cost as you said in another thread that is now a fixed long term cost, because of a contract for that also. I wouldn't be surprised if security is also contracted out. As revenues go up.. cost goes up - that sounds kinda condescending, but I don't mean it to be . The more cars to park.. the more people needed to direct those cars. The more people to sell beer and hot dogs to, the more people to pay to do so.. etc, etc.. While I'm sure there are contracts in place.. I'm sure they have clauses. And I'm sure they get paid no matter what. The Sox wouldn't make s*** if the service wasn't there. I have not heard anything about any further increases - to the fans. I feel confident that we wont. But a 5% to 8% increase dedicated to player salaries - which is what it sounds like to me - unfortunately seems in line with the performance. One more thing.. Sox insurance (liability), for obvious reasons, hit the roof this year. Corg might be able to shed some additional light on that, but knowing how those premiums effect LOC's, It would not surprise me if that put a minor dent in avaliable cash as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 It will possibly be a 5% to 8% payroll increase. You forget that with the increases in the fans comes the additional cost of vendors, parking attendants, concessions, security, etc, etc... And like I mentioned previous.. Colon got paid, Koch got paid, etc, etc.. I'd be ok with an 8% raise. Teams with lesser payrolls have gotten the job done. Let's say our current payroll is 55 million. Add 8%, and you're at just below 60 million. Historically, very few teams have "gotten the job done", if the job is make the playoffs, let alone win the World Series, at that salary level. I can't get on ESPN (damn firewall! ) to look. But if 1 team has done it.. it can be done! C'mon.. let me have my dreams.. it's all I have left!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 2002 Angels 99-63 $61,721,667 Hmm, I remember this team having a little bit of success in 2002....with a low payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach61 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Are the Marlins and Twins under 60 mil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 2002 Angels 99-63 $61,721,667 Hmm, I remember this team having a little bit of success in 2002....with a low payroll. True. But 10 million of their dollars weren't sunk into a stiff closer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 2002 Athletics 103-59 $39,679,746 They seemed to be ok, too...with that "stiff" closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 2002 Athletics 103-59 $39,679,746 They seemed to be ok, too...with that "stiff" closer. Until the Twins owned the stiff in the playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 2002 Athletics 103-59 $39,679,746 They seemed to be ok, too...with that "stiff" closer. Until the Twins owned the stiff in the playoffs Geez.. what's with the talk about how "stiff" Koch is.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 2002 Athletics 103-59 $39,679,746 They seemed to be ok, too...with that "stiff" closer. Until the Twins owned the stiff in the playoffs Geez.. what's with the talk about how "stiff" Koch is.. Not Koch is stiff..... Koch is A stiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 2002 Athletics 103-59 $39,679,746 They seemed to be ok, too...with that "stiff" closer. Until the Twins owned the stiff in the playoffs Geez.. what's with the talk about how "stiff" Koch is.. Not Koch is stiff..... Koch is A stiff Hahah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 2002 Athletics 103-59 $39,679,746 They seemed to be ok, too...with that "stiff" closer. Until the Twins owned the stiff in the playoffs Geez.. what's with the talk about how "stiff" Koch is.. Not Koch is stiff..... Koch is A stiff Yeah, yeah, yeah.... Whatever you say Killa... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 2002 Angels 99-63 $61,721,667 Hmm, I remember this team having a little bit of success in 2002....with a low payroll. That wasn't that low of a payroll. I think it was 65 million at the time and the very next year it jumped into the 80's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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