7/10 Games

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Here's a monster oppo-taco shot from Collins - http://www.milb.com/r/video?content_id=149...6014983&v=3

 

Man this guy has some serious oppo power - http://www.milb.com/r/video?content_id=143...6501283&v=3

Edited July 11, 2017 by ChiliIrishHammock24

[NorthSideSox72]

I saw him catch for Hansen in ST and it was absolutely awful. Passed balls, SBs, errors, etc. One game but it was little league like.

I've watched him play a number of times, and thought he was quite solid defensively. Of course, the SB's with Hansen on the mound need to be discarded anyway, that's Hansen. But the other stuff surprises me. He looked like a quiet target, decent backstop but nothing spectacular, good defense on the move, quick release and an average arm. Had a scout echo that he thought he was likely to be an average defensive catcher.

 

[NorthSideSox72]

For the record, for me, Zavala is T30 in the system, and even with the added depth he is in the 20-25 range mostly likely. I know I'm higher on him that most, have been for a while, but I think he's a major leaguer.

 

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Here's a sick diving stop by Mandick.

 

http://www.milb.com/r/video?content_id=129...7136283&v=3

[bmags]

Well, I guess for Hickman no reason to move him off catcher until they have to because his other profile would be 1b, right?

 

Last night was maybe the best offensive box score I've seen top to bottom in a long time, and that's without charlotte. Hopefully we are set for a nice second half.

 

Poor Call though.

[NorthSideSox72]

Poor Call though.

 

This story will be interesting. He's just about at the end of his rehab. Where do you put him?

 

Back in Winston-Salem? That OF is Basabe, Fisher and Booker (plus Lassiter as 4OF). Those are all guys you don't bench at this point, but none are ready for BHAM. Normally you could rotate 4 outfielders through DH, except Collins and Zavala are there splitting C and DH. You don't bench them either, and I don't see either being ready for BHAM. Kannapolis OF is crowded too, already rotating 4 prospects through the three slots plus DH (Adolfo, Gonzalez, Rodriguez, Schnurbusch).

 

So what to do with Call?

 

I think maybe you end up sending one of the catchers to Birmingham, even though I don't think either are really ready. Zavala may be more so, but Collins of course is the much better prospect. That frees up DH and it becomes a 4 OF rotation in Winston-Salem.

 

[bmags]

I agree with you, was thinking Zevala would be pushed.

 

But, if I'm sox, I value the progress of Call over a Booker/Schnurbusch.

 

 

[thxfrthmmrs]

Most likely send Telvin Nash to AA to make 1B open.

 

Speaking of Dickman, he's been cursed since moving out of the 9 hole.

[NorthSideSox72]

Defensive stats for catchers are iffy, but looking at Collins (who people now think has a good shot to stick at C) and Zavala's numbers this year...

 

--Innings caught are basically identical

--Both have 9 PB

--Collins 6 errors, Zavala 3

--Range factor 7.53 for Collins, 9.49 for Zavala

--Collins split around Hansen: 0% (1/1 SB/ATT) with catching Hansen, 41.1% (50/85) while catching everyone else

--Zavala split around Hansen: 7.1% (26/28 SB/ATT) while catching Hansen, 30.2% (30/43) while catching everyone else

 

Not sure why runners are going on Collins more often in general, seems sort of odd. Might be a function of the levels. Leaving Hansen out, Collins is throwing runners out more effectively so far, though I really don't know how much of that is the pitchers on the two teams they were mostly with. The rest of the defensive numbers seem to lean towards Zavala. Neither are great defensive catchers, but both in different ways show the ability to stick at the position. Collins has been lauded for his arm, and so far that's justified.

 

Side note, the other catchers this year who have caught Hansen (Nolan, Rodriguez); 14/14 SB/ATT with Hansen pitching. That means total for Hansen, it's 41 SB in 43 attempts against him. Hansen has major problems with the running game.

 

Again though, with catchers, eye test is key. I think Zavala can be an average defensive catcher in the majors overall. Not at all saying he's on par with Collins as an overall prospect, just using him as a point of reference for the defensive stats in A-ball.

 

[NorthSideSox72]

I agree with you, was thinking Zevala would be pushed.

 

But, if I'm sox, I value the progress of Call over a Booker/Schnurbusch.

Call certainly more important than those two, yes. But that doesn't mean you just bury those two either, they're not org guys (at least not yet).

 

[bmags]

Call certainly more important than those two, yes. But that doesn't mean you just bury those two either, they're not org guys (at least not yet).

 

Not saying bury, but with both Booker and Schnurbusch on age appropriate levels it's easier to push them higher with less concern of it destroying confidence. It would be easier to do if Booker was not struggling early. But, this is a short term fix.

 

The crunch next year will be even more difficult.

 

I think maybe they try to push Fisher to AA. But he makes more sense in W-S. Basabe makes more sense to repeat. Call same. All of Kannapolis has good case to be promoted.

 

Add Robert to the mix too.

[NorthSideSox72]

Most likely send Telvin Nash to AA to make 1B open.

 

Speaking of Dickman, he's been cursed since moving out of the 9 hole.

What does opening 1B do to help OF slots?

 

[thxfrthmmrs]

What does opening 1B do to help OF slots?

 

Zavala or Collins can rotate C and take up 1B to open up DH. Or a weaker defense OF'er can take up 1B as well.

[beautox]

I think it gets even more complicated after the deadline, should be interesting watching this evolve.